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https://www.npr.org/2024/10/30/g-s1-31042/elon-musk-kamala-harris-facebook (13)

That's different than OP's statement about television commercials. (-6)

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You almost had it. They need centrists. Moving away from the center is what's destroyed their party. Move away from corporations yes, centrists no. (14)

Nah we don't need ratchet effect nonsense. If they want their conservatism they can have it, I won't be complicit in "centrist" nonsense. You can't cater to "centrists" without catering to corporations. Capitalistic plutocrat lovers can screech about corporatism all they want, its their system in action. Playing their game isn't gonna take the money out of politics, it's gonna blow the door off the hinges allowing them in (see Elon musk) (-3)

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I think there is a significant underestimation of Biden's arming Israel as a HUGE factor. His hug of Netanyahu made me shudder. Sometimes the best way to support a country isn't to cheer and arm them into a devastating war. (btw I am not Jewish, but my father is. I was raised Catholic and am not at all religious, given how awful that religion is). I have never been a supporter of Israel's behavior toward Palestinians and I think blind support for Israel was a massive (and is a massive) error. Muslims voted (leopards eat my face!) for Trump or stayed home. Young people likely as well. I support the International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Netanyahu. I DO NOT support Hamas either. This is a war of evil people versus peace-loving people on both sides. We mistake supporting the evil war-loving people for supporting Israel. Biden made a huge mistake. (-6)

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The Republicans spent 4 decades building a (dis)information infrastructure that they finely tuned over the years. They have a tremendous advantage in their ability to spread their selected narrative across multiple sources, and they have essentially perfected the recipe for making low information voters feel angry and afraid. (These narratives are often false - Kamala and Joe had no more to do with inflation than Trump did, and immigrants are less violent than citizens and don't actually eat pets). These tactics work very well against an incumbent, when it's easy to blame them (fairly or not) for everything that makes low information voters anxious and mad. Their story of high prices, immigrant crime waves, and trans people grooming your kids was shown to have penetrated deeply and influenced voting. Some of these NYT panelists back that up. The democrats need to learn to use propaganda better and chip away at the disinformation disadvantage. Being unwilling to lie and alway... (0)

But what details about high prices, crime, out of control illegal immigration, and exposing children to issues of sexuality and gender are untrue? To me, the Democratic Party was dismissive of people who are concerned about these topics.Not trying to be difficult, but:Inflation and the resulting high prices has been causing a lot of pain. The Democrat answer to it seemed to range from "grocery stores are price gouging" to "inflation is happening everywhere."Petty crime in my city increased a lot over the past 4 years and now has tapered a little bit, but Democrats in my city will tout the fact that crime it is a bit down, but still much higher than it has been in a long time. Democrats act like crime is not an issue.My city has struggled with an influx of migrants who are very visible on street corners (window washers) and social services here have been strained. Democrats tell us that the border is secure. Oh, and Democrats constantly try to blur the line between legal and ill... (1)

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I think Ta nehisi Coates was right in 2017 when he made his argument that bigotry motivated a lot of Americans to vote for Trump.After his win we heard all of this. It even became a meme "Economic anxiety". The pod save America boys who are as dem establishment as you can get--literally worked for Obama, put out a series called the wilderness all about the democratic party's history and what they could learn from the loss in 2016. They arrived at much of the same conclusions people are reheating to serve again to the public.Harris spoke to peoples fears about immigration by spending time highlighting the fact that the Biden administration had been continuing to deport people and offered a border security bill Republicans would love. They voted against it.Harris literally offered tax breaks for the middle class and working class including money to put on the down-payment of a home, money to start a business, and more money for child care and Medicare. She offered to set up a task for... (0)

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They are inundated by misogynists on the right and misandrists on the left. How is it any surprise that young boys would chose to listen to the men telling them that the women berating them for the original sin of being born with a peepee are crazy and that it's ok to be men.Live by idpol, die by idpol. If you want to gain gen Z and A's support in the future, a shift in how the left treats half their population is in order. They've seen how self flagelating us millenials were and refused to join in that shitshow. Honestly i can't blame them, especially with the response from the left after this defeat. Doubling down? Really? It's like the left wants to disapear. (1)

And why do you think that happens? It's because every time you open your phone all you read about is how awful men are. They r*pe, they are violent. Bears are safer to be around ffs. I think the left needs to have some darn accountability before they start blaming Jordan Peterson and Rogan and all the rest. Those are the people that are trying to be positive towards men. Democrats won't even listen to a word those people say and then they denounce them as all sorts of terrible things. My younger brother grew up without a dad. He loves Rogan(as do I). He heard about David Goggins and Jocko Willink on that show. Every day now he's busting his butt trying to be as mentally tough and physically fit as those navy seals ge looks up to. And you know what? They are pretty good dudes overall. I can't tell you how pissed off I get when I hear people saying awful shit about Rogan. That show has had such a positive impact on my brothers life and all democrats want to do is make fun of him for it... (1)

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They really think they lost because Kamala was too right wing man they are fricked :marseyxd:

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You don't get it, she didn't bring up gun control or being pro immigration or pro trans. Even though those are all party stances on the dem websites she didn't talk about them so swing voters are idiots for caring about them.

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Nevermind the "trans sicko of the month" that administration seemed to regularly roll out.


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>we need to trans the kids even harder if we want to gain ground in the midterms! :chadleftoid:

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WE NEED TO DESTROY DEMOCRACY IN ORDER TO SAVE DEMOCRACY, DON'T YOU UNEDUCATED MORONS UNDERSTAND?!

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lets face facts, america is fricking just racist/misogynist. They shoulda ran John Fetterman

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But he's regarded now :marseycry: I couldn't watch the Rogan interview because he needs a device to show the :marseylongpost:

It's painful to watch. Sad for him. But unless he improves mentally, :marseyitsover:

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He's actually the least r-slurred Amerimutt politician :marseyretardchad:

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No, he's extremely r-slurred. Watch him on Joe Rogan. He basically admits that Democrats want illegal immigration because they believe (or believed, it was just before the election) that if they control enough seats in the legislature and they capture the presidency, they can pass an amnesty bill and make voters out of 30 million+ total immigrants in the country right now and make a permanent Democrat majority.

California was a red state until the 1986 amnesty. Now they want to do that to the whole country.

Joe spent like 30 minutes trying to get Fetterman to clarify. Fetterman said "Immigration is a wonderful thing", then spent the rest of the half hour giving political non-answers trying to get Joe to forget what he just said.

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:marseyjo#kemissed:

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2028 Newsom/Fetterman ticket :marseyagreesuperspeed:

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Gucci fav and fent fet

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I saw a comment on reddit the other day claiming Kamala ran the most centrist campaign possible.

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No matter how much you hate redditors you don't hate them enough.

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Tbh their campaign tried to tone down the radical left wing stuff like idpol without going into "vote woman" like Killary did

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Yeah then that morsel came out about how she didn't go on Rogan because the broken-brains on her staff would've had a melty :marseyshrug:

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Trump has so many opportunities to look bad in the next 4 years. More tariffs and mass deportation are going to be rough. Half his appointees are r-slurred, stripping regulations is going to cause some r-slurred incidents, and christcucks are going to try and succeed in some stupid shit. Lotta stuff everyone will feel right up front like inflation.

But Dem reaction so far seems like they could manage to shit the bed. Make that high score on snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

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Nobody will notice the tariffs. The only thinfs that will increase in price is womens clothing (which will be put on sale anyway) and funko pops (which redditors will buy anyway).

We could exorbitantly raise the price of fast food in this country while keep grocery prices low with amerikkkan grown goyslop. Even a mass deportation of 15 million asylum seekers will leave us with 20 million illegals able to grow chickens and pick cotton like the democrats need

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Now this is cope racing

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Tbf she was more rightoid than Biden, policy wise. It's just public perception of her was that she was farther left.

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Because they were going off what she said in the 2019 primaries. You can't just pretend they didn't happen

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Oh frick off. Trump spent the primaries saying r-slurred shit about building a wall and making Mexico pay for it and calling captured veterans and Twitter randoms losers. And magatards dismissed it all as primary talk.

Conservatives would vote for a toddler male feminist running on increasing the suicide rate If it meant cheaper gas prices.

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I'm a democrat but you're wrong. The reason why Kamala couldn't actually talk about policy was because she couldn't give a good explanation one why it changed.

The whole "every incumbency was doing badly" doesn't work because the US economy is stellar

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The reason why Kamala couldn't actually talk

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!trump2024

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>the economy is fricking great its your fault your poor.

>oh inflation is down though get over it already

>actually inflation isnt even our fault

>holy shit you're still bitching about the economy? Think about illegals and Ukraine for once

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The whole "every incumbency was doing badly" doesn't work because the US economy is stellar

Yea, I keep reading :marseynerdy: this narrative and it makes no sense because it simply wasn't true. This country :marseycatgirl5: was/is doing fine under :marseyhole: Biden.

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The market is doing great, but if you're a low/no skill worker, you probably can't compete with an illegal on wages. That, and they are willing to bust their asses. Shit, they're grateful for the chance!

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>magats dismissed it as primary talk

I'm pretty sure they hard embraced it instead, wishing that he would make mexico pay for the wall and loving trump insulting everyone on twitter. They never walked it back, they wanted more of that talk

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And you didnt?

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That doesn't change the shit Kamala said vs Biden you fricking mong lol

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None of what you mentioned is him flipping on a policy position.


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Biden straight up killed 13 soldiers then said on tv it never actually happened. Playing "he said he said" with Trump was always a losing strategy

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Trump could personally shoot someone in the middle of the street and zero of his magatard primary voters would even care

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But he never actually shot anyone.

Again youre comparing Trumps words (which are harmful to journ*lists and liberals) to Bidens actions (which is harmful to working class people and soldiers)

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I'm merely noting that you wouldn't care if the situations were reversed. Your morality is contingent

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Its not. Why would i care for some hypothetical self defense scenario that leftists would lie about rittenhouse style for years.

Biden's actual policies directly affected working class people and everyone knew it.

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go back to reddit, strag

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She didn't have any strong opinions on anything other than abortion. She would just try to say what she thought people wanted her to say or what the last consultant told her to say. Similar to Blurmph in a way

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that's bc their internal studies probably showed that abortion was the only issue in which democrats are more popular

if you narrow down to any of the other issues - like the economy, immigration, tbh even foreign affairs - the republicans are more popular

that's why the dems brought everything back to abortion, whereas the repubs brought everything back to the border

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if you narrow down to any of the other issues - like the economy, immigration, tbh even foreign affairs - the republicans are more popular

Because the Republicans were pretending these were/are serious :marseysnoomask: issues, when they largely weren't.

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lol her voice is spot on

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Great impression lol. I hope kalama runs again in 2028 so this chick can get work.

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You want to see Trump crush her a 2nd time?

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wait what policies tho

bc as far as I can tell her only two policies were (a) get rid of income tax on tips (trump also proposed this, it's also an r-slured proposal that will never happen nor does it make any sense) and (b) a one-time $25k/person handout to make houses cost more money

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Lol drump said he was going to get rid of taxes on tips because a cute waitress complained about them. So he was like, it's cash, why don't you just commit tax fraud? And she was like noooo daddy, it's all credit cards these days, I can't do a tax fraud. He said this out loud during the debate.

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I need to see the waitress before i decide what side im on

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She also gestured towards price controls for groceries (anti-"gouging" laws)

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Price controls?

Wealth tax?

Whats not to like?

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What leftoid policies did she have that were more leftoid than Biden? Being a black foid doesn't count towards being more leftoid, r-slur.

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Her being a "black" foid is absolutely a left wing policy position

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Everyone born in !dixie is blacker than her

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Truth. All of Dixie is at least 10% black by proximity.

The other 90% is crisco, peanut oil, and NASCAR.

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Raise Heck, Praise Dale.

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You're forgetting Bojangles seasoning.

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Doesn't stop Stephen "Sky Fricker" Curry from pooping on them darker blacks :marseyindignant:

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His mom is so hot it kept his nba dad at home, I say white people can claim curry

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She didn't vote for Biden. She's not black.

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:#marseytruthnuke: :#marseymindblown:

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Correct your sidevote

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You r-slurs are beyond parody.

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@Gobble I :marseyupvote2: this too :soyjakanimeglasses:

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I take pride in that

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Taxpayer-funded HRT for prisoners

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Not exactly right, the ACLU went to court to make that legal. Because it was a Biden campaign promise:

Before taking office, Biden promised reform. His campaign website promised to "ensure all transgender inmates in federal correctional facilities have access to appropriate doctors and medical care โ€”including OBGYNs and hormone therapy."

Kamala said she'd back gender affirming surgery for illegal immigrants in prison. That's the difference.

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Not chopping their peepee off is "cruel and unusual punishment" lmao

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About as unlikely as Mexico paying for a border wall. But people don't hold it against trump in the same way when he makes r-slurred off the cuff policy proposals and then drops them.

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Haha yeah the government would never use taxes to pay for HRT :clueless:

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Uh she's fricking BLACK

Can't you see she wants communism?

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Neighbor wut? She literally ran on the most r-slurred uber left agenda possible in the 2020 primary. Your just being an r-slur

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She wanted to implement price caps on food and tax unrealized gains.


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When people say that the party needs to move further left, they mean that they want someone to take another shot at doing Bernie-style economic populism, not double down on :!marseytrain:s/immigrants/DEI.

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!chuds

the !nonchuds have blamed Blacks and !islam as the new Juden

stand by for two new race wars

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Oh lawd he gonna bring back slavery.

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I love Trump's gauche boomer humor. He's like a living version of the rich country club guy played for laughs in an 80s comedy

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This guy?

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more like this guy

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that vegan muslim woman who shot up youtube HQ didn't go far enough

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SAY HER NAME

QUEEN NASIM AGHDAM

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:#marseydangerfield:

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>marsey

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>Trump compliments black girl and makes a on-brand Trump joke about buying hair.

>Racism

>Trump does not talk to black girl or acknowledge her cool hair

>Racism

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Silence is violence, bigot! :tayaaa:

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I wish we lived in a world where he bought her hair and showed up at a rally that night looking like Rudy from the Cosby show. Or Buckwheat, even better!

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Donald once again showing young women how to awaken their entrepreneurial spirit by highlighting the free market's willingness to supply her with vast wealth in exchange for something that grows naturally from her. No OnlyFans account needed! Truly inspiring to watch a master orator empower young WOC like this. #blessed

!nonchuds

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Not sure if that's Ichiban or Sam Bankman-Fried :marseysquint:

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What are they malding about? Leftoids says embarrassing shit like that to black people all the time, too, when they want to look like they're :quote: down :quote:

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DRUMPF is gonna put Black Women into concentration camps to harvest their precious hair :soysnooseethe:

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He's gonna put them in a 'big black man's hut' :marseymagahat:

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Maybe they can leverage this hypothetical camp experience to concentrate on being less r-slurred.

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!the_donald unblock /h/the_donald to get more news

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It's almost like it wasn't a real case and only existed so journos could say Trump was "Under Investigation for Election Interference"

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Total journotard liquidation

!chuds

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Excellent aim for dumbfire rockets. :marseychefkiss:

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Lmao that footage should be about old enough to drink by now. I think i first saw it in like 2010 or so...

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Masallah may the next rocket find his target

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I unironically heard some Dem say credibly accused

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I wish Trump would get rid of Palestine

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There's plenty of blame to go around. On election night, one of the NBC analysts said that Trump won because not enough Latinx go to college.

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The only white woman looks so miserable to be there.

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that's just white woman RBF

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It's even weirder that it looks like she has her headphones on. I think she's doing her 'I'm listening to Black Voices' face, though there are other options.

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