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SYDNEY, Nov 29 (Reuters) - A Royal New Zealand Navy vessel ran aground and sank off the coast of Samoa last month as a result of human error, a government-initiated inquiry found on Friday.
HMNZS Manawanui, the navy's specialist dive and hydrographic vessel, grounded on a reef on the southern side of Samoa, on Oct. 5 while conducting survey operations. All 75 crew members on board survived.
"The direct cause of the grounding has been determined as a series of human errors which meant the ship's autopilot was not disengaged when it should have been," the head of New Zealand's Navy Rear Admiral Gavin Golding said in a statement on Friday.
he crew did not realise the ship remained in autopilot and consequently thought its failure to respond to direction changes was the result of a thruster control failure.
The reasons why the crew failed to notice the error would be part of a wider inquiry expected to be completed in the first quarter of next year, Golding said. 
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Disciplinary process to commence
Golding said that because human error was identified as the cause, a separate disciplinary process would need to begin once the Court of Inquiry had concluded.
The process would look at the officer in control of the ship, the supervising officer on the bridge, and the commanding officer of the Manawanui. 
He said there were a number of other contributing factors leading to the grounding, which would be considered in more detail during phase two of the inquiry. These include training, planning, supervision, readiness, and risk assessment.
"To provide some immediate assurance, we have conducted a series of audits in the Fleet and looked to implement initial lessons identified from the interim report around training, risk management, and improving relevant orders, instructions and procedures," he said.
Speaking to media today, Defence Minister Judith Collins reacted to the report, saying: "I think we're all terribly disappointed by what happened and why it happened". 
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The vessel's sinking raised concerns about damage to the local environment, with many worried that leaking fuel could taint their food source.
The ship was carrying around 950 tonnes of diesel, and earlier this month, local authorities said about 200,000 litres of fuel had leaked from the sunken wreckage.
Golding told media there was still a "persistent slow leak" coming from the Manawanui.
"We monitor it each day with our divers that are in place."
He said compensation for locals was a matter for the Samoan government but said the Defence Force was supporting Samoa in the process. [ 
not our problem abos]
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"I want to reassure the public of New Zealand that we will learn from this situation and that it is on me, as the Chief of Navy, to earn back your trust.
"We have incredible people within our Defence Force who answer the call to serve every day. Much of their work is risky and involves decisions that can mean life or death. No one turns up to work to have a bad day.
[You lost a fricking warvessel to grounding you motherlover dumb frick ]
I made a post about this!! 
https://rdrama.net/post/306239/royal-new-zealand-navy-loses-first
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As much as I'd smugly enjoy if the DEI fronthole is the reason for it (double so if it goes the extra mile and comes to light that she should have never gotten her post based on her performance and capabilities), its pretty unlikely she was the main culprit. Theres the helmswomxn actually steering, and at least a deck officer in charge of "commandeering" what the ship does. I dont think we know if she was on the bridge or even aware there was an issue before the ship sunk.
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A ship captain has near absolute control over the behaviour and discipline and function of his crew and ship - the buck stops at him and no one else.
They are required to know the inner workings of all their personnel and mechanisms, it is the position of highest prestige and highest responsibility in the fricking Navy, in all Nations ( or is supposed to be)
The incompetence of those below a warship captain DIRECTLY reflects upon them, this is why Navy discipline is so harsh, especially in meritorious fleets like Bongland, France or Burgerland
She is supposed to know those below her, to weed out the weak, to train and supervise those in her staff to the degree that they will be able to endeavour their functions on a fricking warship to the best of their abilities, because in war, actual war, mistakes mean literal death
If she was not even fricking aware of this possible ineptitude under her command, again this directly reflects upon her!
!burgers !britbongs any of you strags have ever been Naval personnel? to confirm the incredible responsibility of a warship captain !historychads
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In theory yes. In practice, and i doubt its different in the navy or for kiwis, you get the people you get. They'll technically be qualified for the position, but that doesnt mean they're actually capable of it. Buslt since they have the right checkmark, you're not able to get rid of them for someone more competent, since theyre on paper competent.
The alternative, not using them for the job regardless, at best burns through the actual competent people you have because they have to pick up the slack while the idiot gets to do nothing (which also shows the rest of your womxn that incompetence and laziness is rewarded and performance is punished), or at worst the idiot reports you for mobbing because youre obviously just biased against them and unless theres already been a disaster (like sinking your ship) theres no paper trail to prove your innocence.
And sure, ultimately a captain is responsible. but they cant be on the bridge 24/7, even if they wouldnt have to do all the other stuff that commanding a ship entails. We dont know if the captain was on the bridge or had been alerted, nor if she should have. Hanging her anyways just because, doesnt actually do any good. It can kill the career of someone suited for much higher positions, but even worse it doesnt teach everyone else that they need their people to be professional, it teaches that they need to cover their own asses - either to always have a water (and court!) proof excuse, or to never let your subordinates make any decision and never do anything yourself that isnt 100% necessary, basically just sit around and do the barest minimum to not get fired.
Neither are behaviors that a military should encourage or even tolerate, the rare loss of a ship now and then is actually the lesser evil.
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I know a sub Commander, a couple of LCDR flyboys, and a few midshipmen.
One thing to note on a naval vessel is that you always address the boss of the ship as Captain, even if he is not an O6 officer. That's where the term Skipper comes from, the Captain of a ship, regardless of naval rank. !kowalski
Further, an admiral who boards a subordinate officer's ship must follow his orders because it is that officer's ship and everyone aboard it are his responsibility.
So to agree with you, yes, the buck 100% stops at the Skipper. A wise officer will consult with subordinates, and will listen to objections. But orders are orders.
!burgers !britbongs !historychads
!firearms idk if you want to participate in general military discussions, so I'm including you for now
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I know a few midwitmen too !rdramausers
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Goddarn I'm stealing midwitman.
My sub-bro told me about the former admiral who interviewed every single junior submarine officer.
He would do these wild random tests on each candidate. Example, sometimes he put out a chair without the two front legs and made them sit in it for the whole interview.
My favorite story is he told a candidate
you have 30 seconds to piss me off
So this dude looks around the room, sees a Ship-In-A-Bottle. Like, a big expensive one.
So he picked it up and smashed it on the ground. The admiral chimped out and told him to GTFO.
As the dude was leaving, the receptionist got a call and told him he passed.
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And he handed him a $100 bill while everyone clapped
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That one is my fav
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I can't believe he scooped that Marsey. I was rotoscoping it like 1930s Disney.
I miss
@McCoxmaul
But not like you're thinking.
I want I have s*x with him.
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didn't he also do
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Thanks for the shoutout
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Yeah, ultimately the skipper is responsible for everything that happens. RHIP/RHIR
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I used to work on a nuclear submarine in my youth, I got a dishonorable discharge after we lost 17 sailors in a hull breach incident when I tried to cut a gloryhole in the pottys
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God forbid you show a little initiative in the Navy.
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Did you say /h/Glory Hole? !coomers
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I just remember an incident from maybe 10 years ago where there was a captain who everyone hated (happened to be female also in this case) and the ship ran aground. And the crew started singing "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead" because apparently you have about a 100% chance of getting fired if you're the captain and that happens.
Now if only we had the same standards for teachers, doctors, lawyers...
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Captain Holly Graf, ex C.O. of USS Cowpens and Churchill.
The wiki article is wild.
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If your the captain of a ship and your verbal and physical abuse doesn't make me work harder to fix the ship because I'm strangely aroused in a way I don't understand, then I have lost confidence in your ability to command.
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She was CO of a ship in the US Navy, not the Klingon Defense Force.
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LMAO. The crew was so devastated that the ship didn't run aground
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She should've sunk with it, isn't that the protocol?
edit: Can't comment on the navy since we scuppered our entire fleet to pay for more eritrean male feminists
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It's not 1892
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Maybe it should be
If your boat sinks, die with it. If we can't count on people to do that, what can we count on them for???!!
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is this afrikaans?
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