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Real capitalism. You mean the coal wars where the Colorado Fuel and Iron Company now Evarz sent armed men to put down the strike killing the families and workers in the work camp as part of the Ludlow Massacre? Both capitalism and socialism at its extreme fall prey to some very ugly human conditions. (74)

People being criminals is not "capitalism". According to that logic, Stalin would have been a capitalist since he managed a realm which accumulated capital. (-37)

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No one went to jail. It's not a crime at least in the eye of the state for the coalfield wars and coca Cola's "war crimes" in Columbia (23)

> No one went to jailAnd? Even if Nazi Germany took over the world, genocide would be impermissible/illegal. "Legal" just means "permissible" (-3)

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There was no crime. No one went to jail for the coalfield wars, Rockefeller got shit rich, the coal union was disbanded since they ran out of money and the companies kept on operating the mines. The capitalist system at its extreme only work for the owner class where you can kill with no repercussion. Also see Sinaltrainal v. Coca-Cola case where Coca Cola sent private military to conduct basically the same thing to assassinate and militarily put down union workers in Columbia. Coca Cola walked.Similarly socialism at its extreme where you have to forcibly recover the means of production, often results in mass deaths. The mechanism is the same both are state sanctioned and legal, yet both results in extreme human suffering. Stop drinking the Kool Aid. (37)

> There was no crimeYou think that murder can become legal??? (-14)

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I don't think things below are necessarily achievements of capitalism, but if we were judge it as we tend to judge socialism, then we'd have to include:- Starting a Civil War with over 1 million dead, in a pretty stable nation, over wether slavery is bad,- Up to 13 million dead in Leopold's private Congo- World War I,- Bangal Famine,And many more. (7)

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Even Marx argued that slavery is not capitalism.Capitalism is when wars happen?The Bengal famine, as presented at least, was due to imperial Statist crookedness. (9)

Slavery is not capitalism, but capitalism kept it around, and it held so tight on it that it needed literal civil war to end it in USA.>Capitalism is when wars happen?No, but those were wars waged by capitalist nations.Again, I mean if we were to judge the system as we judge socialism. Because people chalk up everything bad that happened in socialist states, to socialism.Even tho 90%+ of it was literally two men. (1)

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The closest thing to "real communism" I can think of were the Black Army controlled areas of Ukraine during the civil war. Things weren't to bad. Mostly because the Black Army was anarchist and kind of just left the self sufficient peasants alone to operate things as the had always done in a technically or loosely collectivized fashion. The Balcks did away with money, but the Rubel was almost worthless anyway and the peasants didn't have much to begin with. The main problem was that there was a war going on and the Black Army was eventually crushed by the more organized Red Army and it was all downhill from there.TLDR socialism works if you don't do much socialism, are largely self sufficient, don't have a government, and don't mind getting invaded by your more organized neighbors (2)