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Except TNG still appealed to TOS fans, it was just the initial pushback against not having the same crew. Deep down they were very similar shows that appealed to the same demographic. Scraping all that to try and court Guardians of the Galaxy fans isn't going to ensure survival, it'll just recommit to the death spiral Star Trek is in. (30)
I'm a kid from the 90s and I couldn't wait for the TNG era to be over. I wanted the page to turn on Berman trek just as it did on TOS, which I thought was a lot more fun.Finally after what, two decades? I thought we were finally done with 90s trek at last. If you're not going to stick to the way and tone TOS does things, then you have no right to complain about Trek changing.I've liked most of Kurtzman 's offerings a lot more than any of the 90s runs. I'd take any season of Lower Decks, or sitting through a season of Discovery over embarking on any of Voyager for example. After a while Berman trek is all the same. (-14)
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Is there some reason they can't be well written? (40)
Bullshit. Half the comments here are people claiming recent Trek is somehow garbage while completely ignoring the same writing in older Trek.The whole "It's not canon," crap makes everyone here sound like toddlers. (-17)
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There's noteable differences. No one here was complaining about the writing. They were complaining about it not being the TOS crew.No one there was complaining that it lacked character and depth. Those people were complaining that it wasn't the TOS crew.Those people aren't the same. As TNG picked up steam it ran 7 seasons and 4 movies, spawned 3 more spinoffs (DS9, VOY - both 7 seasons, and the ill-fated Entsrprise, which wasn't bad but fatigue by then had set in).Not a single one of these nutreks has made it as long as any old trek and it's obvious why.The story room, sorry... writing room, sorry... ChatGPT room is why it sucks. (29)
So is more or less like the same complains people had of Voyager and Enterprise. Notice. (-7)
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So is more or less like the same complains people had of Voyager and Enterprise. Notice. (-7)
Oh, yea. It must be that. How about no.If it was just that, Star Wars stuff would be getting cancelled because no one is watching it. Mandalorian was successful because it was new and different, although the last season was questionable and had lost it's outlaw ways.Marvel... the multiverse stuff is too contrived. The constant changing of "most powerful" is more confusing than the comics.Lord of the Rings, the new stuff is retreading.Everything is a sequel, prequel, or some derivative... no originality.So no, it's not just Star Trek so this argument is asinine. You all keep retreading the same story, "it's you, it's not my agenda that's the problem. Flashy boom booms make me feel good."So, no. It's not just "gramps" that are irritated, annoyed, and not watching it. Why did Acolyte fail? Because the 5 people watching it didn't justify it's existence. (9)
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The fact all the highest upmarseyd comments and posts in this sub always claim modern Star Trek is horrible, disproves your assertion.Every comment I've gotten here is arguing that all new Star Trek sucks. (0)
No it doesn't. It just proves that those are popular opinions, not the only opinions and certainly not that other opinions are down voted. I can't tell if you're lying or bad at arguing, because I've literally been commenting, replying to you, and not doing that. (0)
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I couldn't stand disco, it's bad TV on top of being bad trek. Picard S1 was like a nightmare, it re wrote beloved characters and starfleet, turning them into bizzaro mockeries of themselves. Their biggest crime though, was being boring. That said, LD really grew on me after a few initial shakey episodes. (Episode 1 throws too much at the screen). Picard S3 felt like an apology for S1 and 2, though it wasn't perfect. SNW similarly is a really fun show that I think in time could grow into something great. Give em a shot (4)
From what I saw of Picard season 3, it doesn't look very promising. Bringing back characters and the Enterprise D just looks like a cheap nostalgia grab like the Force Awakens. It's not like they retcon all the crap from the previous seasons, get rid of all the cussing and arguing, or change the format, pacing and tone. I've not looked much at Lower Decks as someone who doesn't care for shows like Family Guy or South Park. SNW has the issue of Kurtzman, senseless continuity errors (that is not my Enterprise!) and building on the broken foundation that is STD.I took the "if you don't like it, don't watch it" to heart. I'm tired of hate watching. (1)
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I was just watching
that episode of TNG last night 
where 
Lt Yars randomly gets killed. I still don't know if that was the writers being ballsy and killing 
off a main character 
or if she got preggo 
or something 
like that. TNG was great 
after the first 
5 episodes or so - especially the Q episodes. Nu Trek sucks fat, hairy, and stinky 
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Denise Crosby (the actress) decided to leave because she felt her character was underused and had no potential. She didn't want to play a glorified extra, so she bailed and was killed off in the show.
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!trekkies Everyone remembers Yar but no one remembers Pulaski. Anyone want to talk about Pulaski, b-word?
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I loved Dr Pulaski. She was the only person who stood up to Picard (perhaps too much), and she was definitely more interesting than Dr Crusher.
It's a shame she did not have good chemistry with the other characters (except perhaps with Worf), but that was the writers' fault, not Diana Muldaur's (the actress).
Supposedly, Diana also didn't fit in with the chummy clique the original cast members had developed. So they dropped her suddenly and never spoke of her again, which was a bit crap.
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She fell down a turbolift. Whats to say
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Anyone who actually gets this joke is officially a card-carrying boomer.
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Diana Muldaur was on two episodes of TOS. So I guess they thought she was good. I am a massive Maurice Hurley apologist, as I said yesterday, but wtf were they thinking?
There was never any good introduction to the character. It was just everybody else saying how great she is. Telling, not showing.
Also apparently she's a total b-word who hated the rest of the cast. Completely the opposite of Patrick Stewart who came over and was mad at the Americans for not being serious enough but learned to appreciate them over time.
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She was boring. Yar was boring too actually. Nobody should remember either one.
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I remember. She was better doctor and her cemistry with peecard was better. They were tense and sligtly agonistic with each other. I love where peecard needs new heart and he rants how he cant have surgery on boat becouse it would make him look weak
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Black lives matter
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I am one of the few Maurice Hurley apologists so I'll speak to this: The character wasn't working. She says they never gave her any lines. Well, yeah. The character wasn't working.. That's a writing problem.
With Denise Crosby you had the problem that she has some of Bing Crosb's fortune ($S100+). Getting her to do what you say is gonna be hard when she can just say "frick you, I don't need money".
Also omg if they considered Roslind Chao for that role. Look Denise, I love you, but your just another cauc. We never took you seriously in the security role. Didn't help that you were fighting aliens.
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Interesting
thanks for the clarification
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there were allegations that the writers or someones were also bullying her but idk.
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Quite right, I forgot about that. As per Denise's exchange with Rick Berman (TNG's producer) on twatter:
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