Particularly goulash threads, quoted lazy style:
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If you are a citizen and this is your opinion, then you should know that I tend to agree with you, but at the same time I thank God that I am not in a place where I would be asked to make such a terrible decision.
I'm an Israeli and I agree with him. It's a hard choice to make but if you make the wrong choice every time, they'll just keep doing it.
It's not my choice to make you are right but it's obvious to everyone that Israeli society is willing to make the dumbest choices decade after decade.
There is no hostage as valuable on this planet than an Israeli hostage because Israel will throw away every objective to get them back.
Turns out israli lives aren't as valuable as palestinian deaths
Do I see this wrong, or does Israel look like the loser of this deal / war?
Then somewhere braindead ethnonationalist garbage. Yeah. Israel really lost with its 1:100 KD ratio.
They should not be rescued except by military action even if it means they all have to die.
I hope everyone who insisted that Trump was a great friend of Israel who will surely have the Jewish people's backs feels pretty stupid now. A whole lot of American Jews were trying to warn you that Trump was completely untrustworthy, and Israelis just refused to hear it.
๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ NOOO our greatest enemy...brokers a peace deal for us :(( we want blood
Trump (and his sycophants) will just blame Biden on this whole deal
???? He took credit for it
Another translation from modern Hebrew:
What do you imagine that continuing the war will achieve? Do you believe that "complete victory" is just around the corner? If we continue to fight there for another year or two or five years, Hamas will disappear and we will have peace forever? And that we can leave Gaza and forget about it? Or do you think we will have to stay there forever. If so, are you serving in the reserves, and are you prepared to continue doing plus or minus six months of reserve duty every year, until you are 45? Are you prepared for your children and grandchildren to live like this?
Enough with the illusion. Hamas is not going anywhere. After a year+ we are no closer to taking down Hamas than we were at the beginning. The most that can be done is to take their heads off, but as soon as they are allowed to, they will recover, and if it is not Hamas, it will be another terrorist organization. The only difference is whether the kidnapped people will return or not.
One commenter mentions their desire for "the chanpiom program" in Hebrew. No such Wikipedia article exists, and English mention is almost impossible to find online, but here's the Wikipedia article: Click here for israeli genocide plans
Here's the english wikipedia article
It is kinder
Generally if you see Hebrew in the thread it's because they don't want the reddit admins to see their comment. Not always.
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Look here is the problem you aren't getting:
1) The jew unironically believes he is God's gift to mankind. Therefore he is worth 1,000 goyim any day of the year.
2) If the Jewish administration accepts a hostage exchange, because of their own beliefs, they are forced to exchange like 30-1000 prisoners for every single Jewish hostage. Which from our goyim perspective is absolutely r-slurred.
3) But, if thee Jewish administration does not accept a hostage exchange, that implies to the average jew that he is not worth a 1,000 Goyim. Which suggests that the administration is treating Jewish lives like goyim lives. Which means they need to be taken down.
So the only choices for the Jewish administration are:
1) Accept r-slurred hostage exchange which will guarantee a war 15 years later anyways.
2) Don't accept hostage exchange and have your Orthodox population turn against you today for not valuing Jewish lives fairly.
If you think this is bad you should have seen how many prisoners they were releasing per jewish hostage 10 to 15 years back. 30 prisoners exchange per hostage is actually the lowest low exchange rate on Jew to Goyim lives they have ever reached till date.
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It's the norm for developed countries to trade far more people to get one of theirs back. Nothing to do with Israel or !jews. Terrorists and renegade nations simply treat their citizens as currency.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-gershkovich-whelan-d803e266cb4e60135ec5d668d684529f
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24 prisoners exchanged. 3 US prisoners for 21 Russian prisoners. That's 7 Russian prisoners per US prisoner. The deal was still considered kinda r-slurred by the citizens back home in America.
The Jews reportedly exchanged 30 prisoners per 1 Israeli hostage. That is the lowest they have ever gone. In previous exchanges they exchanged far more prisoners per Israeli they got back.
It absolutely is Israeli r-sluration that likely comes from believing in their own superiority to the point of it being a disadvantage in situations like this.
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In terms of game theory, Palestinians should demand as many of their people back as they can expect to get. Is there a reason to believe Israel willingly offers more prisoners to exchange than Palestinians would accept? Are there compelling theories about what Israel could have offered and still succeeded in a deal?
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Game theory would also stipulate that the Israeli's absolutely should offer no more than 5-10 prisoners in exchange for Israeli hostages irrespective of whether the deal goes through or not. The fact that they release an r-sluredly high number of prisoners per hostage suggests that they are not behaving optimally which indicates cultural bias.
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I am not claiming that Israeli trades are optimal, just curious why they're assumed to not be. The whole "Hamas doesn't want Israel to even exist" aspect is quite different from an exchange between, say, the US and Russia. It's hard to use global norms around nations and sovereignty when they fall apart in the middle east.
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because we have already seen the consequences of Israeli prisoner exchange r-sluration based on the results of previous exchanges of 100 HAMAS terrorists for one Jewish hostage.
The head of the HAMAS that they killed was an Israeli prisoner among hundreds that they released back to Palestine like a decade back.
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Yes, I remember that.
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Yeah so there you go. If you wanna really game theory it the only real optimal solution would be to bomb the entirety of Gaza until not a single soul was left alive, then have the Israeli PM who did that kill himself and his cabinet. Followed by criminalizing his party and the rest of Israeli's actively declaring him a failure and spitting on his name. If the other middle eastern countries still attack you then the liberal Israeli's that remain are just acting out in self defense because the Jewish leadership and political movement that caused the suffering has been exterminated from within. Then the Israeli's could do a Germany and spend the next 60-100 years talking about how sorry they are about all the Gazans that were exterminated as the world ends up forgetting the memory of their deeds once enough time has passed.
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The upside is that they can just send in mossad to ice them in a couple of months
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No other country would accept 1:30. Don't pretend this isn't an Israeli cultural thing.
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What's the difference between a Palestinian and a rock?
You can negotiate a hostage deal with a rock.
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Tbf the Palestinian hostages aren't worth as much because if the Israelis need more they can just go into the West Bank and round up another thousand kids at random.
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!jannies unironic Anti-Israeli chud
!metashit why is it that new accounts , really just alts with all the DC transferred over, are immune to any and all awards?
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Prove to me that the comment is anti-israel. I haven't said a single thing that calls the Israeli's inferior in any manner. I have only criticized their hostage negotiation skills and its negative impact having possible cultural causes.
I am a frequent proponent of Jews being smarter than white people so obviously I cannot be anti-semetic. I can at worst be accused of the crime of race realism which by default is not anti-semetic.
I am sorry you haven't experience life outside of an echo chamber before luv.
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Stop being such a cute twink
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Stop crying
Trans lives matter
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no
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B-word babies can't handle being in the oven.
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@PeepeeButtKiss like how libshits call anything they dont like chud. You're a chud if you support Israel and a chud if you don't.
Cry baby
Trans lives matter
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Praying Trump gets elected so you get sent to some kind of concentration camp
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I don't think I've seen longpostbot this sentient before.
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Singularity
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It's the seculars pushing for the deal the hardest you mong. Ben Gvir and Smotrich are very Orthodox and pushing the hardest against it.
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