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Finally finished DS9 like a week ago. I need to talk to everyone who beforehand told me it was the best Trek ever, it's so good, le heckin character development, SO GOOD, way better than TNG, and everyone who midway through kept telling me like NO CARP IT GETS BETTER IT GETS SO GOOD JUST WAIT TIL THE END and carp how can you not like kira carp oh you're only in season _ just wait hehe kira gets so cool carp

That was horrible. With the singular exception of the wonderful TOS time travel tribbles episode, DS9 never once exceeded mediocrity at its very best.

The entire thing was stupid. The entire thing was boring. All of the original characters (exceptions being Garak, Quark, and briefly Nog) were boring and one dimensional. It says a lot when the only actually likable, interesting characters are the two B-listers they pulled from TNG (O'Brien, Worf).

Avery Brooks can't act. None of the cast could act. It's like they were directed to play someone playing an actor playing their part. And then there's Avery Brooks who had to have been directed to play an actor overacting the part of an actor overacting the part of an actor playing Sisko, a man with a debilitating brain injury.

Sisko wasn't even the worst though, that honor is split between Jake and Kira. Jake would clinch it easily if he had appeared more often (though he still appeared WAY too much) and this fucking episode that Reddit ADORES remains the single worst episode of anything I ever remember seeing. Kira ties him though with the sheer volume of her appearances and how the writers were deadset on having her be this sexpot despite being an aging, fuck ugly hag with some of the ugliest hair ever to grace the 90s, a grating voice and an utterly hateful personality. The mirror universe episodes where she was always in leather are going to haunt me for the rest of my life.

"teehee rom sounds goofy but hes actually a super smart engineer" would have been a funny bit for one episode but they built large swathes of the later series around this. It wasn't cute for very long and Rom is insufferable.

Bashir x O'Brien forced bromance is the most egregious example of what Peter meant when he said something insists upon itself.

Ezri was a horrible replacement for Jadzia and I don't know why we needed a trill for the last season. Just write the character out instead of inserting this pointless therapist bitch with a pixie cut and spending HALF THE SEASON telling us her backstory and showing us who she is.

Bajoran mysticism is fucking retarded and the entire show was built around this nonsensical space magic. Everything about the bajorans sucks. I think there are probably a double digit number of episodes where the premise is "Kira must work with a hated cardassian but what if the cardassian is actually a good guy????" and absolutely none of them were remotely interesting and having Kira be the focal point just made them all the worse.

Absolutely no one wanted 20 episodes of boring ass horrible actor Sisko romancing the ugliest women in the galaxy but we got them anyway

Oh and don't even get me started on fucking Odo and the entire race of shapeshifters

And that sappy fucking bittersweet instrumental music montage of all the Moments throughout the series at the end???? It didn't even come close to earning that fuck OFF

What else

EDIT: OH AND FUCK VIC FONTAINE

!trekkies kill yourselves


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Lots of valid criticism there. Kira was hot garbage, Ezri was forced on the writers, the whole last two seasons were only supposed to be one but HQ made them spilt it into two with filler episodes. Jake was almost as annoying as Wesley, they continued the Universe shits on O'Brien trope to the bitter end, Jadzia was a total Mary Sue and they managed to frick upnthe Ferengi in ways I thought impossible.

But Pale Moon is some of the best Trek oit there, Eddington was really well done, Dukat was GOAT, even Dumar had some moments near the end.

They did Q pretty dirty tho, and I can't forgive them for that.


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Forgot about Damar, that's fair. He had an interesting arc even if it was rushed and felt a little forced. Well acted and a solid character. I wish he'd survived to rebuild Cardassia but he died well enough.

They did Q pretty dirty tho, and I can't forgive them for that.

I should have turned it off right there and I'll never forgive myself


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Well acted and a solid character

The scene with him waking up hungover disheveled, hair askew and not being able to face his reflection showed some serious acting chops


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Just remembered I was angry about him not being the one to kill Weyoun :marseygiveup: I really liked their dynamic and Damar said something to him in the episode where he defected that actually made me laugh which Trek hadn't done before.

The last episodes were decent for the most part but were still an endless series of missed opportunities.


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I think he did kill one of the Weyoun clones though? Snapped his neck like a twist off cap


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That was worf lol

Damar referenced it in some way which was funny


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Right, right. It's been awile but I definitely remeber him having a few good zingers.

Also the Ruthless Minions of Orthodoxy. While that episode was hit or miss I absolutely love that line.


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You're just salty because Sisko found a way to defeat a troll. Punch them and they go away

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I was looking forward to a more antagonistic relationship between Q and the MC but they decided to focus on a love story with Q and Janeway instead. And darn tootin' I'm upset about thay


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I'm glad DS9 was essentially a break from Q. Although I would have preferred one of his episodes in the place of a filler episode.

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Q didn't really fit the theme, true. Much better running into Q "in the wild" so to say instead of him periodically showing up in the same location


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