That was horrible. With the singular exception of the wonderful TOS time travel tribbles episode, DS9 never once exceeded mediocrity at its very best.
The entire thing was stupid. The entire thing was boring. All of the original characters (exceptions being Garak, Quark, and briefly Nog) were boring and one dimensional. It says a lot when the only actually likable, interesting characters are the two B-listers they pulled from TNG (O'Brien, Worf).
Avery Brooks can't act. None of the cast could act. It's like they were directed to play someone playing an actor playing their part. And then there's Avery Brooks who had to have been directed to play an actor overacting the part of an actor overacting the part of an actor playing Sisko, a man with a debilitating brain injury.
Sisko wasn't even the worst though, that honor is split between Jake and Kira. Jake would clinch it easily if he had appeared more often (though he still appeared WAY too much) and this fucking episode that Reddit ADORES remains the single worst episode of anything I ever remember seeing. Kira ties him though with the sheer volume of her appearances and how the writers were deadset on having her be this sexpot despite being an aging, fuck ugly hag with some of the ugliest hair ever to grace the 90s, a grating voice and an utterly hateful personality. The mirror universe episodes where she was always in leather are going to haunt me for the rest of my life.
"teehee rom sounds goofy but hes actually a super smart engineer" would have been a funny bit for one episode but they built large swathes of the later series around this. It wasn't cute for very long and Rom is insufferable.
Bashir x O'Brien forced bromance is the most egregious example of what Peter meant when he said something insists upon itself.
Ezri was a horrible replacement for Jadzia and I don't know why we needed a trill for the last season. Just write the character out instead of inserting this pointless therapist bitch with a pixie cut and spending HALF THE SEASON telling us her backstory and showing us who she is.
Bajoran mysticism is fucking retarded and the entire show was built around this nonsensical space magic. Everything about the bajorans sucks. I think there are probably a double digit number of episodes where the premise is "Kira must work with a hated cardassian but what if the cardassian is actually a good guy????" and absolutely none of them were remotely interesting and having Kira be the focal point just made them all the worse.
Absolutely no one wanted 20 episodes of boring ass horrible actor Sisko romancing the ugliest women in the galaxy but we got them anyway
Oh and don't even get me started on fucking Odo and the entire race of shapeshifters
And that sappy fucking bittersweet instrumental music montage of all the Moments throughout the series at the end???? It didn't even come close to earning that fuck OFF
What else
EDIT: OH AND FUCK VIC FONTAINE
!trekkies kill yourselves
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I think it has some charm. In the middle seasons there's occasionally a really good episode. Garak is a great character. Dukat was a good character except the writers got pissed off that fans liked him so they made him do a bunch of out of character evil stuff. I'm not a big fan of it as a whole but parts are worth watching.
Having said that, I agree with about 100% of what you said. This is the first time I've seen someone opine on it who isn't in love with it because "They call it Star Trek but it's morally grey, so that means it must be more sophisticated!"
There was nothing interesting about him as a kid and the acting sucked. But it really gets afwul when they make him a copy of Alexander from TNG. "Boohoo, my dad is a captain in Starfleet. So I'm going to rebel against him by doing something weak and effete like being a journo instead."
That's not an exaggeration at a ll. Call me shallow, but this alone totally ruined the character for me. Half the scenes she's in, it feels like nobody is mentioning the elephant in the room. And then they put her into all these heterosexual romances where she's supposed to be attractive to men. If they had any guts they would have made her a crazy cute butch terrorist instead. That might actually be interesting.
This is what my Mirror Universe was like.
During the middle seasons it didn't come up very much, but toward the end they just go completely nuts with it. If I wanted to see this kind of show I could just watch Charmed, which I'm sure it does it way better. Just when I think they couldn't make it any more lame, they decide to make Sisko into literal Space Jesus.
This is around when the show gets unwatchable. The showrunner Ira Steven Behr gets increasingly self-indulgent to the point where he includes this shit. He likes the rat pack bullshit (something that my parents' generation already thought was really tacky and lame) so he just throws into a bunch of episodes for no reason. It's like if I was making a Star Trek show and I had Reel Big FIsh come on to play a ska band in 15 episodes. He might as well have just said "frick you audience, I don't care if you like this or not".
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Ronald D Moore can't help himself, he does the same thing in the Battlestar reboot where the mysticism and Starbuck as Jesus aspects get more and more prominent.
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That show is one of the main reasons I quit American tv and watched Asian dramas for several years. I was just so sick of this, where even a good show would get dumber and dumber as the writers grasped for straws, trying to come up with some new bit of story to justify another season. When they had the big reveal that 4 people had really been Cylons all this time, that's when I lost it. I knew darn well that there was nothing leading up to this, they just needed a plot twist and they were out of good ideas.
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You didn't miss much stopping there. It gets worse with one or two standout episodes and then ends 4 separate times, the last two being "DID YOU GET IT YOU MORON".
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!trekkies rare correct Carp take.
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And the space station is a mall and one of the lead characters is literally a rent a cop who doesn't carry a gun
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Who needs a gun when you've got a bucket?! He's the terminal end of jannie evolution.
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Sounds awesome !ss13
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It's a comfy space station and you're dumbonly the middle seasons are good
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Nothing will ever be as good as TNG.
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I was gonna mention the original, but I think even boomers might admit that TNG was better.
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i wont admit that
but its whatever
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TNG had better stories but TOS was just frickin' cool. As Arthur Fonzarelli taught us, cool fixes everything.
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i couldn't get past the ten back to back to back monster of the week episodes when i tried watching tos
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You're not suppose to watch the third season unironically.
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that was the first season you FRICK
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There's 3/29 monster episodes in the first season.
Unless this is some zoomer thing where you call all episodic tv "monster of the week".
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"there is a guy who is evil with technology/a dumb god" is the same vein as monster of the week. felt like i was watching the twilight zone
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The best TNG episodes are as good as the best TOS episodes so we can't compare them on that.
I gotta give TOS a slight edge on this logic: A bad TOS episode is still at least fun and has some vaguely interesting idea. A bad TNG episode is... Lwaxana Troi interfering with Alexander's upbringing.
And there are a lot of bad TNG episodes.
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This is why I respect women's opinions
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Indeed
Something special about Americans (Canadians
) killing filthy fricking foreign Space Egyptian snake cute twinks with p90s and tactical nukes
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Wish we got more stargate but with how Universe went, maybe it's good that it all ended when it did.
None of the writers or directors involved with stargate have made anything good since. Lightning in a bottle.
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I'd say it's the opposite. They made hundreds of episodes of pretty good tv. They were so successful that now it's just played out.
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The Expanse is better but you're so Reddit that you probably only watched the show
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The expanse (both mediums) is written to be baby's first scifi.
The books are painfully unoriginal with the author (hopefully purposefully) using the most basic tropes possible.
They are not terrible, but it is nutty they have such a following. Im convinced 90% of the fans read the first book and stopped.
The tv show fails to have a single likable character. The books are not morally grey, at all, but the showrunners constantly wanted to inject that theme so much it apparently bled into acting direction.
Every person is doing their own impression of their favorite game of thrones character and it fricking shows.
Oh, and i loved when they lost funding so every episode had to take place in the same single room.
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in case you aren't trolling, i meant franchises with the word "star" in them
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I skimmed. Not my problem
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I warned you and you didn't listen
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Worf is a b-word
O'Brien is O'Brien
How could anyone tell you DS9 was good, they must have been fricking with you.
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O'Brien is one of the ugliest non deformed dudes I've ever seen and he was unlikable in TNG. Groaned when he moved to DS9 but he became interesting and cool pretty quickly and I'm a big O'Brien stan now.
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i wanna fucj his wife so bad
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He'd probably watch and cry
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It's a shame they wasted Rosalind Chao by making her play a boring nagging b-word wife. One of the best episodes is the one where she gets possessed by an evil alien and becomes a homicidal psycho b-word wife instead.
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He's the most Irish-looking man alive
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Literally an anthropomorphized potato lumps and all
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Even on DS9 he was a potato faced eye soar that constantly made me wonder why he existed. It doesn't make since for someone to be that irish. I think the prison episode is the only one I enjoyed, mostly because it's the only one I can remember where O'Brien was the main character.
It's actually interesting how often they reuse scenes in Star Trek. On that episode where O'Brien goes to prison, he hides in a cargo bay and wants to kill himself with a phaser. on Voyager they redid that scene with the furry little shit who somehow made it through the whole show without being written off. Same with The Doctor trying to save his daughter in the hologram family episode and data trying to save his daughter in TNG. Same scene.
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Had to have O'Brien. They established during TNG that he hates Cardassians. Oh sure, he claims it's self hate or some shit, but you know he'd happpily war crime some spoonheads.
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I didn't see it when it was new. I tried it after everyone on the internet told me it was better than TNG, just like you.
But we're different people. After the first episode, I said "nope, the internet's r-slurred again" and didn't waste a year or whatever watching the rest of it.
I had to google this bc I thought you were talking about the singer from the Godfather for some reason. Turns out DS9 just stole him and changed his first name
https://godfather.fandom.com/wiki/Johnny_Fontane
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DS9 was a terrible show - like a bad Star Trek soap opera. Like they're in a space station it defeats the whole premise of the series "to boldly go" when the thing is fricking parked there? Lmao.
Watch Voyager by the end I think I enjoyed Voyager even more than TNG. And the last season of Voyager is just awesome.
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THE HECKIN PROPHETS
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The prophet episodes are like xfiles episodes with aliens: GAY AS FRICK. It's the stuff around the edges that are fun.
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I agree TNG is for smart people. DS9 is for BIPOCs. Firefly is for BIPOCs who want to play Chinese Minecraft.
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Firefly is for average Redditors and whores.
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Well, which one are you?
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TNG was so fricking good. I don't understand how they followed that masterpiece up with this utter travesty.
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DS9 was made by writers who worked on TNG and were pissed off at all the limitations they had on them. Like the main characters are good, competent people who are able to get along with each other like adults. They wanted to make some Steven Bochco shit where everyone is at each other's throats calling each other peepeesuckers all the time. So as soon as Roddenberry died, they made a "Star Trek" that... what do the kids say these days... subverted your expectations.
Basically LA Valet in space.
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Firefly was good because it was cut short, it wasn't going to remain the Misadventures of Space Cowboy and friends.
Look at serenity, look at buffy, look at cabin in the woods. Whedon can't help himself but to turn everything into the same unironically cornball fate of the universe hangs in the balance shit, niπ ±π ±a needs to get over himself.
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Man will you shut up. DS9 is max comfy you wouldn't get it.
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Woke up on wrong side of the bussy this morning
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Why do you hate Space Palestinians so much? !palestine get him!
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Pretty sure they were Jews given the first of the 93838383 episodes where Kira was soooo subverted and she thought she caught space Hitler but it was actually just a space auschwitz accountant or whatever pretending to be space Hitler because he wanted to die from le guilt
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Oh for sure Bajor is Isreal. The Maquis are Palestinian and the Ferengi are Arab in general. Romulans were Cold War era Soviets, Klingons were post Cold War Russia, the Dominion was Red China.
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...nah, but the Ferengi are like a literal
stereotype. There can't be two sets of spacejews.
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The Bajoran had all the cultural and societal components of being a Jew. The Ferengi had the whole space merchant thing which can also be an Arab trait
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NERD FIGHT
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carp have you watched any stargate
@ticktocktrainbutpunk stand with israel
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No I actually don't like scifi generally, I just started watching Trek a few years ago because my dad really likes it despite being not That Kind Of Person at all
Really enjoyed TOS
Loved TNG
Want to kms after ds9
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aww. That's why TNG is the best. My dad watched it with me. He lovvvved Star Trek like any true boomer does.
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This is why we are smart, rational, high class women on rdrama. Thanks to our dads!
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@ticktocktrainbutpunk's dad was who got _me into stargate lol, whats the deal with dads and long running sci-fi television. anyway its like babby's first sci-fi which is good because _im the xweeng of babby's and dont like thinking when _i consume content
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Sometimes you just want to sit down and watch something that's familiar enough that you know it's gonna be good but you haven't seen this episode yet.
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Well you might hate it even more, but Bab5 was a credible alt version of DS9
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People who like StarTrek more than Babylon 5 remind me of Ted Chiang's short story "Heck is the absence of God". If you have any humanity in you you can't be angry at them, the pity is overwhelming.
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Farscape too!
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First season of B5 filters a lot of people. So much necessary setup that doesnt start paying off until half way in the second, but once it starts cashing in
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Dark Souls 9???!? I've only ever played the first 3
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I agree with you on vic fontaine, but for the rest:
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!sd no trans women are women
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!marseyartists, we've got a Space Jew here!
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!trekkies It made a guy from TOS: "Let That be Your Last Battlefield"!!!
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