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The reddit OP is [[[deleted]]] but his legacy lives on.
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You can read the full context behind the 'You will never be a real woman' YWNBAW copypasta here
The link does not offer full context. It references its origin on a 4chan thread but doesn't even give the get.
Psychiatrists disagree with you.
Psychiatrists can say what they want, you will still, never be, a woman.
Why not?
Because You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs... [the full copypasta]
So what gives you more authority to make that judgement than psychiatrists?
So essentially, this is my reasoning:
You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs. [full copypasta]
That's not reasoning. You just reposted the copypasta.
(Yeah no shit, that's what it's there for )
Because for some reason you aren't getting the message.
His observation doesn't come from an appeal to authority, like yours and "psychiatrists" do. His observation is based off of reality.
I can say I feel like an Asian woman. I can say I feel like a foxen kin, and psychiatrists can agree that I AM one, all they want, but the fact remains I was born a white male. Nothing changes this. Surgery doesn't. Altering my hormones doesn't. Changing my posture and clothes doesn't.
Would you like me to pasta that copy for you, again? Or is 4 times good enough?
[gay shit about appeals to authority and meta discussion]
Heres the climax!
I'll ask you point blank then: You think a man is a woman the moment he believes himself to be one?
Yes, she is.
INTENSIFIES
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Except that the overwhelming scientific consensus on the subject is that gender identity exists separately from biological s*x, and that altering the latter to match the former is better, more healthy, and more feasible than the inverse.
As per my last two paragraphs [[[removed above]]], your comment qualifies as this conversation being ended.
If you're not willing to converse without me rejecting science in favor of supporting your bigotry, then yeah, we can't really continue from there.
Our brave little biological reality warrior then goes on to frick everything up by resorting to 2015 insults.
You're a bootlicker, incapable of thinking for yourself. Probably a cuck. Thanks for removing yourself from the gene pool
The battle continues, a year past the original post date. I won't copy it here, it's off in the weeds past the original point but here's the link many layers deep:
https://old.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/lyktos/ywnbaw/jco4w2w/?context=8
A couple of teasers if you want to delve into the ancient battlefield:
Imagine calling someone a "bootlicker" because they're more pro-freedom than you
Freedom to sin is terrible for the soul. Should be stopped immediately. Inshallah.
If I want to commit a sin that hurts me and me alone, then I see no reason why laws should exist to restrict that. It's my afterlife to afterlive.
There is no such sin that only affects the sinner.
Ivan Karamazov ... Grand Inquisitor ... Long gay quote from some dead russian with a stupid name
Yeah I'm not reading that great wall of china long text wall
Your lack of classical education does not render Dostoevsky obscure, kid. (my favorite cringe out of all of this)
Those who believe in omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent gods must know that such hypotheticals bla bla
[the battle ends 2 years after the original thread]
Honourable Mention (!bardfinn spelling)
You ๐๐ will never โ be a real ๐ woman ๐ฉ. You ๐ have no ๐ ๐ womb ๐ถ, you ๐ have no ๐ ๐ปโ ovaries ๐ฃ๐ฉ๐พ, you ๐ have no โ๐ซ eggs ๐ฅ. You ๐ are a homosexual ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ man ๐จ๐ผ๐ซ twisted ๐ฅจ by drugs ๐ and surgery ๐ฅ into a crude ๐บ mockery ๐ค of nature's perfection ๐.
All ๐ฏ the "validation" you ๐ get ๐๐ฎ๐น is two-faced and half-hearted ๐. Behind โฉ your ๐๐พ back โฌ people ๐จ mock ๐จ๐ you ๐๐. Your ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ parents ๐ช๐ฌ are disgusted ๐คข and ashamed ๐ฉ of you ๐, your ๐ "friends" laugh ๐คฃ๐ at your โ๐ ghoulish appearance ๐ behind ๐๐ฅ closed ๐ซ doors ๐ช.
Men ๐จ are utterly ๐ repulsed by you ๐๐. Thousands ๐๐ผ๐ฏ of years ๐ of evolution ๐ have allowed ๐ men ๐จ to sniff ๐ out frauds ๐ซ with incredible ๐ฏโผโ efficiency ๐. Even ๐ s ๐โโ๏ธ๐ who "pass" look ๐ uncanny and unnatural ๐ฝ to a man ๐จ๐. Your ๐ bone ๐ structure ๐ is a dead โ giveaway ๐๐ฅณ๐. And even ๐ if you ๐ manage ๐ง to get ๐ a drunk ๐บ๐ป guy ๐จ home ๐ with you ๐, he'll turn ๐ tail ๐ and bolt ๐๐ปโโ๏ธ the second โฑ he ๐ฅ gets ๐๐ด a whiff ๐ค of your ๐๐๐พ๐ diseased ๐ท๐ฑ, infected ๐ axe ๐๐ค๐ wound ๐จ.
You ๐ will never ๐ซ๐ฉ be happy ๐. You ๐ wrench ๐จ๐ฟโ๐ง out a fake ๐ป smile ๐ every โ single โ morning ๐ and tell ๐ฌ yourself it's going ๐ to be ok ๐๐ฏ, but ๐ deep ๐ฑ inside ๐ you ๐ feel ๐ the depression ๐ญ creeping ๐ฅ up โฌ like ๐ a weed ๐, ready ๐ to crush ๐๐ you ๐ under โโฌ๐ the unbearable ๐ค weight ๐๐๐ค.
Eventually ๐ฆ๐ it'll be too much ๐ฉ๐๐ to bear ๐ฏ๐ป - you'll buy ๐ฐ a rope โฐ, tie ๐ a noose ๐, put ๐ it around ๐ your ๐๐ neck ๐ช, and plunge ๐ต๐ฒ๐ฉ into the cold โ abyss ๐๐. Your ๐ parents ๐ช will find ๐ you ๐, heartbroken ๐๐ข but ๐ relieved ๐คค that they no ๐ฃ longer ๐ have to live ๐ฉ with the unbearable ๐ฅ๐๐ shame ๐ณ and disappointment ๐. They'll bury โฐ you ๐ with a headstone marked ๐ with your ๐ถ๐ birth ๐ name ๐, and every โ passerby for the rest ๐ค of eternity ๐๐๐ ๐ฟ will know ๐ค a man ๐จ is buried ๐ณ there. Your ๐ body ๐ will decay โ and go ๐๐ผโโ๏ธ back ๐ to the dust ๐จ, and all ๐ฏ that will remain ๐ฅ of your ๐ legacy ๐๐ is a skeleton ๐ that is unmistakably male ๐ฆ.
This is your ๐๐ ๐ fate ๐โ . This is what you ๐ chose ๐๐๐. There is no ๐ ๐๐ง turning ๐ซโฉ back ๐.
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If it requires the world at large to lie about what they see, it's pretty fricked up behavior and shouldn't be tolerated. Believe if you are a man, woman, or whatever, but don't ask people to lie for you.
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It's not a lie if people see s*x and gender as seperate
s not being seen as their desired gender verifiably makes them clinically depressed. The rest of society doesn't get clinically depressed by having to overlook their biosex.
Is it narcissistic for slaves forced into gladiator battles to not want to fight? Even if millions of people watching get frustrated if they don't see it? Sometimes the needs of the few can outweigh those of the many. And yes this was an extreme example but there is still a difference between clinical depression and being a bit pissed over having to change your language.
I don't think they should be a third category because that neither respects biosex nor sociopsychological gender. It also sort of alienates them.
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The vast majority of people see them as connected or the same. So yes, forcing people to lie is an underhanded psyop.
Not the fetishists who seem to have taken over the population. Depression over self-centered demands not being met should be addressed by learning to accept reality: you can't control what other people think, not this reactive idea that everyone should think differently just because you get depressed if they don't. A sign of stalled maturity is believing the world needs to revolve around you.
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Does a lot of people saying something make it right?
All s are asking is that you treat them as their desired gender. Society is not "revolving" around them when they do that. It's not self-centered to want other to think differently when the reasons they think they way they do are grounded on pedantic biology, religion, or straight up just hate.
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No, but neither does a minority of people saying something makes it right either. It's funny when s say "gender" is a social construct, and society says gender is biological s*x, they suddenly don't agree with what this "social construct" is anymore.
"Pedantic biology"
Lol this is just straight up delusional. How about they just accept that they're not the s*x they want to be but it's ok to look the way they want. They are absolutely narcissistic to think otherwise, and yes, narcissism is also a mental illness but no, it should not be tolerated for the same reasons.
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Just because it's a social construct it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be changed. In some cultures women are treated like property. Now western society is changing the construct specifically to single out and discriminate against s. Is that fair? Should gender be like this because society says so?
s are well aware they aren't the biological s*x they want to be. For most of them changing their social gender and at least looking like their desired s*x is enough.
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Ooh, 'most' has entered the conversation. So some s behave and believe unacceptable things, such as that they're changing their biological gender, or that looking like their desired s*x is not enough.
How do we deal with those s? How do we tell them apart from the other s who appear exactly the same? And how many s is 'most', because you've made an assessment that there is a fraction of them that don't just want what you say is an acceptable requirement of other people (different argument)? We could then posit that, no, most of them aren't this 'reasonable accommodations' kind, but the kind who want more. What percentage of s who want that unacceptable more should society let pass to make the acceptable s happy?
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We provide them the same respect as we do with regular s
By giving them the exact same treatment as regular s and asking if it's enough
Like 95%?
We don't need to.
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Ah. So I disagree. It's much, much lower than 95%. But the existence of bad s has been established. These s don't stop at where you think are reasonable limits, and your idea is to ask them what else they want or need. What requests or demands do you think are too far? What concession to stop them 'feeling depressed' is something you would say no to?
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