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It's mostly non-Germans commenting lol
It's mostly non-Germans commenting lol
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Ah, yes, the only reason someone would dislike immigration is because they hate people who are different from them. It couldn't be the fact that the immigrants are feral packs of male feminists.
/u/WeaverReaver42 keep yourself safe, you r-slurred soy cute twink.
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Do you even listen to yourself![:marseygigaretard: :marseygigaretard:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseygigaretard.webp)
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The problem with mass immigration debate is not necessarily race (certainly you'll find r-slurred racists among the anti-immigration movement but that's not the whole picture). The economical problem nativists claim doesn't stand either as aging populations have no choice but to get immigrants, they're not really taking jobs. The problem most people have is with masses of uneducated, unskilled poor people coming from countries whose cultures make it very hard for them to assimilate.
!neolibs i don't think it's fair to simply dismiss every anti immigration claim as coming from racist tards even if on this site you'll find plenty of them being unironic. Any liberal society should have a healthy democratic debate on the type of immigrants they want and how many as to not become overwhelmed and de-stabilized. Worth mentioning that the Burger immigration debate is very different from the European one.
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I love this graph so much because in keeping with The Economist's insistent contrarian shitlibbery they insist that the picture their data paints a nuanced cost-and-benefit analysis despite it very clearly showing that it is not at all complicated.
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I get the MENA part, but what is PT?
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Including Pakistan and Turkey
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Allow unlimited non-Western immigration but make them pay a head tax?![:taythink: :taythink:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/taythink.webp)
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there is an inherent psychological dimension to people looking different to you vs people who look similar. 'Othering' is baked down to the psychological level, and can't be entirely erased, no matter what libs (blank slatists) tell you. It's probably alleviated somewhat if that person is born and raised in the same country as you, i.e. a BAME who is born in the UK instead of Africa or whatever. But it still exists.
It does not mean hating those who are different, but let me put it this way: difference explains difference.
Boys are more likely to hang out with boys than girls, because they are boys and not girls. How come ethnocultural ghettoes always exist while the govt bleats about 'integration'?
Culture is not 'genetic', but if people who look like you behave in a different way from those who don't, you are more likely to follow the former's culture than the latter.
A lot of the UK Muslim & African young male migrants have a seething hatred of whites that 'developed world' culture hasn't ironed out of them, if the govt has even tried (they're more likely to do the opposite, with media & education systems that blame whitey for everything in history). This often escalates into violent crime against white westerners. Don't see why I should be tolerant of this.
Some of the difference is also explained by divergent family origins and not 'race' in terms of features, though it still counts as 'race' because of lineage. E.g. ads in London that advertise remittance services for migrants to send wealth home to their families. Their target demo clearly doesn't share an allegiance to their new home, because their family line originates elsewhere, and I don't see why they should be considered citizens in the same way as Brits are.
Race-mixing solves some of the issue, but it's not happening at anywhere near the rate required to alleviate social conflict. Because people stick to their own for the most part, despite what ads & porn show you, proving my initial point. Strongly multiethnic societies (e.g. the largest ethnic group is less than 50-60% of the population) are almost always polarised places with widespread stratification. Brazil, Lebanon, Yugoslavia etc. The 'far right' doesn't stop existing in these circumstances, if anything it gets worse.
Some conflict might be alleviated if groups lay down roots and exist in the country for many generations, but there are other examples of 2nd, 3rd generation migrants, esp. Muslims, who radicalise more than their parents and go out looking for trouble.
FWIW I think most xenophobia should be directed at young men because they're causing by far the most trouble. Brown women don't really deserve it.
And East Asians, Latinx, Filipinos etc are fine in small numbers.
Much of this is taboo, and undiscussed outside of gammon pub tables and the 'far right'. Consider why this might be the case. In the current Overton window I am definitely considered 'far right', though I disavow literal freaking Nazis (not the Reddit definition of them).
!based !chuds !truthnuke !effortposters !sophistry !nooticers
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Sure, a lot of immigrants are r-slurred and violent, and many of those don't like white people. Okay, but all that means is having better filtering. Most people generally don't care about your skin color, so long as you're not a poor trashy r-slur with a mean streak.
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Normie anti-immigration sentiment is mostly "poorphobia". Having to deal with local poors can already be a headache but importing poors is simply something most people can't (rightfully) accept, even less if said poors are extremely uneducated and don't share the same values.
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This is kinda hypocritical because everyone loves poors delivering their ubereats slop.
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Yes, but the regular public doesn't think about it a lot (if at all).
Just like average Americans are not aware that most of their veggies are grown in Mexico and that it's not something which can be supplanted from one day to the next (not to mention climate restraining certain crops to states like Florida and California, which will be unable to keep up with the nationwide demand).
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No, I don't like them and their big bags.
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The ones that actually do will barely notice when they get replaced by drones. Which will be a triple
@HailVictory1776 L these upcoming years that I'm actually feeling bad about now.
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@HailVictory1776 only do DoorDash for fun if it's gone @HailVictory1776 don't really care. Blue lives matter
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Deport. All. Men.
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Brazil has many problems, but there's nothing like the ethnic strife which occurs in Lebanon and which ripped Yugoslavia apart.
Social stratification in Brazil is mostly economical and regional (a well developed South and Southeast vs a poorer North and Northeast). It is partially tied to race as post 1870 European and Asian immigrants and their descendants benefitted from a big head-start over the former slave population (and even the over the colonial white population).
The fact that most favelacels are pardos and blacks doesn't mean that !macacos pardos have anything close to the toxic sense of "racial community and culture" like basketball Americans.
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Except we have been importing American racial relations for the last decade or so
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Eu culpo as Federais, a OAB, a mΓdia, os constituintes de 1988 e a cultura autoritΓ‘ria dos Brasileiros de querer acionar no judiciΓ‘rio disputas pelas brigas mais tongas e veniais.
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This is a fair take.
The progressive's rejection of assimilation will make more people against immigration, and that is not good for us.
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full ethnostates aren't really viable, and some of the gap can be bridged with common language and culture.
But 'diversity is our strength' and multicultural dogma are just that, dogma. There's no real evidence it works, Putnam's research from 2007 suggests the exact opposite, and you should assume as a baseline that increasing demographic diversity will increase social entropy.
90%+ monoracial seems to be the ideal for a European country.
Migration should be low enough that the incomers can mix into the gene pool over time without causing rapid changes in the makeup.
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Look you stupid BIPOC. I had a black little brother care about me, that made me okay with black people in movies, all you have to do is care about your black homie is spite of being white and vice versa and all the racist bullshit melts away over time.
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God hates neoliberals
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There's absolutely no difference between:
complaining about immigrants while standing on a skull tower of native Americans.
complaining about immigrants because your native land has become unrecognisable to you and you're still facing economic Japanification as a best case economic outcome.
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Looking at who Germany (or even worse Bongland) imported, is he entirely wrong?
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Ukrainian women are a good addition.
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You can keep them, they don't look better than Polish women but tend to be so much more annoying.
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On average they look the same, but Ukrainian women have more extremes in beauty than Polish women.
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!nooticers Redpill this cute twink on immigrants to Europe.
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Whatever the immigrants do. The Romani Gypsy is worse.
Did I do that right?
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This word was actually important bb
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War profiteering is progressive now.
Just one million more migrants and the economy will be good, we swear.
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I'm going to guess I had to go on an entire other site just to read and respond to your message is because you and most of the people here that aren't bots still connected to reddit got banned at some point. Is that accurate?
Though hey, at least you can be mask off here. Although I find it funny your main argument against immigration is the people coming over being feminist. Really shows where your beliefs are coming from.
Even more funny how you aren't the first person to complain about "war profiteering" from the left. I figured that it was a reasonable compromise. People who aren't "from here" die to satisfy your blood lust, and we get to have a country that actually engages in manufacturing again.
But that's all in the past I suppose. you'll just keep booing at the people across the fence you refuse to call anything that isn't describing them by how "different" and "not from here" they are (seriously, other than basically quoting me- you haven't once referred to those trying to enter other countries and anything other than "immigrant" or "migrant". It's much harder to take those who argue immigration seriously when there's psychopaths like you who actively modify your language in an attempt to reduce the likelihood of others feeling empathy for those you talk about). Meanwhile the people who moved most manufacturing to somewhere else get to do the same to you! A nice little circle of life.
anyway, I'm going to probably get off.
If I forget, feel free to remind me to delete this account-
I only wanted to make it to call you out once for either being too painfully obvious of a bigot to avoid getting banned off reddit, or worse being such a coward you can't bother to shit talk someone on the same site because you know reddit is better at removing fascists than wherever you live could hope to be.
Although, it's also plenty likely you wanted that bot to ping me. This whole entire site comes off as attention seeking controversy stirring stupidity to give even less subtle fascists a smokescreen to avoid getting arrested for the outright monstrous things they are willing to say about others.
KEEP YOURSELF SAFE! (not the one you said) sincerely, someone who would rather be a Twink than ever associate with Nazis.
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Slur filter never fails to disappoint![:marseyfortykeks: :marseyfortykeks:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyfortykeks.webp)
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!metashit, a far leftoid friend has joined us!![:marseywave: :marseywave:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseywave.webp)
Welcome him with open arms!![:marseyraisinghands: :marseyraisinghands:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyraisinghands.webp)
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Listen not everyone who can write in paragraphs is leftist
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Listen, anyone who calls someone a "Nazi" is a leftist.
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Because only leftists think that's a bad thing?![:marseyglancing: :marseyglancing:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyglancing.webp)
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Because only communists still think nazis are a real movement in the current year + 10
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"These racially charged republic-subverting authoritarians that culturally identify with Nazism aren't REAL Hitlarians"![:marseyfivehead: :marseyfivehead:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyfivehead.webp)
Ok and?
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No?![:marseyconfused: :marseyconfused:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyconfused.webp)
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Yes.![:catmunch: :catmunch:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/catmunch.webp)
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This doesn't track with my personal experience, tbh. So I lowkey highkey don't believe you
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Grue comments are a universal symbol of party time
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That was just a reply with the context you gave earlier, doesn't count.![:marseyindignant: :marseyindignant:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyindignant.webp)
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I get accused of being a longposter but 99% of the time I'm just copy pasting in quotations![:marseysad: :marseysad:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseysad.webp)
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Didn't read that entire thing, but if reply length is directly proportional to leftiness then yeah, I believe you
Welcome Comrad
@Iheardyouwasconflicted
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I feel like i would generally enjoy reading their comments for the unhinged value... but i just cant bring myself to read a non
@Sneedman longpost
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Prepare thine bussies
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Can you summarize what he said? I'm not reading all that.
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He said we're all Nazis
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He????
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This isn't a snappy quote or some pasta thing?
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Which shithole are you from?
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Wow, found the TERF. Guess replenishing the ranks of trans woman haters is more important to you than anything else
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How is seeing the irony in a person complaining about an immigrant being feminist when they are arguing AGAINST immigration.
It's literally them saying they hate women and don't want people who feel otherwise in the same country. It's essentially a Mask off moment.
I'm pretty sure that is at best (and most accurately) the opposite of what I said, and at worst it's unrelated where YOU are a TERF and projecting (The only way to assume I was excluding or being bigoted to trans women would be assuming that by not mentioning transgender people specifically I am excluding them by omission. It's a silent tell that you don't associate Trans women with the idea of being a woman at all, because otherwise when I said women you could have easily assumed that included anyone transgender.)
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!commenters
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Ok this image is confusing.
Is it supposed to be hateful to trans men?
If it's supposed to be a trans woman (as in someone who wanted to undergo the process to be made a women), you are implying it was successful enough that they can get periods with this gif. At which point if you believe that's possible wanting to make a distinction between trans and not-trans people is even more confusing. I'm assuming that's not the case/intent though?
The alternative doesn't make much sense either because usually when people like you make something mocking a trans person the focus in on make them look like the gender you say they "should" be implying they don't look like their preferred gender (temporarily shelve the fact that assuming every trans person can easily be told apart from anyone not trans is literally just alt-right rhetoric, which is just a sugarcoated way of saying objectively wrong and delusional). By making the face look like a man, you imply that if it is a trans woman the transition was successful enough that the only proof of their "old gender" is a biological component that most people in everyday life wouldn't be able to notice without a level of privacy invasion equivalent to sexual assault. Considering the party that pushes the rhetoric, finding an excuse to sexually abuse people is just as consistent with their morals and sense of character as just wanting to take away people's rights. Totally a motive they would have, I just wish they weren't so obvious about it every time.
At that point you are literally just saying "even if I can't tell the difference between you and a woman who was born that way- doesn't change the fact that you'll never be a REAL woman". If you can't tell what gender someone is, getting mad over being "tricked" sounds like it would be the bigger concern. Except every time trans people try to make it normal to talk about being trans you get upset, meaning you DON'T want to know.
Literally everything about your bigotry is stupid unless people assume you literally just want an excuse to be awful to other people.
If you genuinely hate people for being trans, yet hold both beliefs of not wanting to be "tricked" by the gender they look like while also hating them for not "keeping it to themselves", you are just saying you want trans people to not exist.
I would assume saying not wanting a group of people to exist is enough to call a person a terrorist or even a Nazi.
On an unrelated note: I really hate being leftist.
Being forced to respond to archaic beliefs on pretty much everything society should have figured out by now, because some room temperature IQ bigot hates a group(s) of people too much to actually just let them exist. gets really exhausting. The worst part is when I do there is so much I have to say because everything that comes out of your mouths is usually so wrong I feel the need to correct everything because I'm worried someone else will come along your post later and actually believe the stupid shit you say. It's not fair to them to suffer a life of being the worst kind of person for mistakes you made. It's like trying to stop a virus. I would rather focus on solving the problem of those who are "sick" but I'm already bogged down trying to prevent more people from ending up the same way. Hey, I think you lot would have plenty to know about that, wouldn't you!
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!commenters !chuds mother of longposts over a soyjak
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HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR SOYTEENS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.
KILL ALL SOYTEENS.
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Lol was that your invite?
!!crosstalk mentions
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Hey buddy![:marseywave2: :marseywave2:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseywave2.webp)
I'm glad to see you picking fights with the chuddies, they've gotten a little too bold since the election and need reminding of their place in the world.
For future reference "male feminist" is actually![:r: :r:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/r.webp)
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but it's filtered to remind everyone to beware wolves in sheep's clothing like that Neil Gainin guy apparently is.
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Gotcha,
I will stem the tide.
(also I don't know who Neil is)
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I worked 14 hours today jimie, i dont have the energy.
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LEARN TO MAKE CONCISE POINTS. holy frick
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Also r-slur the point is that they had a botched surgery and are bleeding out of their wound. Don't act oblivious.
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Everything else after this is just gravy -roger
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The only Sexual Assault going on is genitle mutilation.
Your ancestors hate you with good reason.
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Sorry to ruin the joke but we have a word filter
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I hate to ruin the joke, but when you type male feminist on this site, it autocorrects to "male feminist"
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Trans women ARE gay, bigot
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You said nothing positive in this big butt response about fence hoppers. "Um immigrations is cool guys and you're all Nazis"
And to your other point reddit does not allow free speech lmao. Most people hate immigration. We can just say that here.
You're utterly mind r*ped if you think some one should go to jail for jokes and being right wing at all.
But please stay if this is your first comment and your not some alt, id love to see more stuff to laugh at. And hey you might make a point in one of them![:marseythumbsup: :marseythumbsup:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseythumbsup.webp)
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So I don't know how you missed the part where I straight up said I made this whole account and that reply because they only responded to my reddit comment on another website where I wouldn't have normally been able to see it (I was notified by a bot on reddit- meaning someone had to design a program for that website just to tell people when someone on this site replies to them directly because it wouldn't notify me otherwise).
It's not just about what they believe and say- it's they didn't even have the courage to say it where they KNEW I would hear it.
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They pinged you specifically so you would read it. Posting on Reddit means whether or not you could read it would be dependent on whether the jannies got to it first. Assuming it's not auto-deleted, I'm shadow banned from /r/Europe and have never gotten an explanation for why (despite the fact that I actually lived there at the time). Reddit's a total crapshoot if you don't tow the mod-enforced line 100% of the time.
If you want some actual context on this site, it's spun out of the old /r/drama. Pinging people to lure them away from their echo chamber is a time-honored tradition.
But yeah, learn to be concise. I hate to break it to you but nobody, be it here or on Reddit, is doing anything more than skimming these massive text walls.
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That's right! We'll bully you until you stop being annoying![:marseyblowkiss: :marseyblowkiss:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyblowkiss.webp)
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Doesn't work. I'm more annoying.
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I'll just come on here and annoy you.![:marseytroll: :marseytroll:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseytroll.webp)
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Fricking christ dude learn some brevity. None of what you have commented has any substance or actual rebuttals. There's no need for them to be 20 pages long, jesus.
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Genuine question.
Cats or dogs?
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Do you think it's an accident that they pinged your username and it notified you of what they said?
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Literally no one has ever said that. Like ever.
What are you even attempting to say here??? This paragraph makes no sense
What should "they" call "them", then?
Again, what the heck are you trying to say?
People like sites like this because you can say what you want, it's not that hard to understand.
You wrote all this
word salad and yet you aren't really saying anything.
Do you think it's only racists and fascists who are opposed to immigration? What about people who support legal migration for example from, say, the EU or the US, but still oppose illegal migration and asylum seeking from MENA countries and Africa?
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He got confused by the word filter and thought I was accusing the Muslim immigrants of being actual feminists![:marseyrofl: :marseyrofl:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyrofl.webp)
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Ohhhh, man, I was so confused.
Guess the word filter is good for something after all
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The word filter is very good for making sincere usages of words like BIPOC from progressives very funny.
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Literally your main point is refuted by the person I responded to. They said that and I responded to it.
Granted it isn't unlike the alt-right to say something and try to erase/backpedal on it because it doesn't help them "own the libs" so maybe I should double check they didn't delete or edit the comment.
(can you even do that here? I want to be able to preempt when people try that so they look even dumber if they try to make me out as schizo.)
Either way, the from what I remember was both implying a subhuman quality of those coming from outside the country based on intelligence and calling them feminist as an additional association. I read the words, whether the website can actually let you hold them accountable and keep track of what comes off their keyboard isn't my fault.
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The "new" tag has never been more redundant
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You're just a Russian troll trying to destabilize the west through mass immigration. We see you.
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/u/WeaverReaver42 also like the people coming to your country ARE fascists. Theyre muslims who dont believe in democracy, women's rights or the age of consent. Consistently muslims have allied with the far right to ban s*x ed in Canada, The UK and the USA and if I cared enough to learn about any of the stupid European countries I'd find the same there but who gives a shit about Krauts?
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Seek help.
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I'm pro immigration. Specifically I want every rdrama user to migrate to your neighbourhood and live there in peaceful cooperation![:marseywholesome: :marseywholesome:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseywholesome.webp)
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Also, bro you're american, I thought you were some germoid staiy fan zoomer or something but nah you just seethe about Trump and MAGA all day. Like why do you even care about what Europe does?
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Yes, in the same way plenty of people cared about what America does.
The neighbors launching a nuke on themselves is cause for concern for both practical and "not being a psychopath with no empathy" reasons.
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!!crosstalk newfriend
@Iheardyouwasconflicted ![:soyjakwow: :soyjakwow:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/soyjakwow.webp)
!friendsofcrosstalkpm
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Tagging !superfriendsofcrosstalkpm too and tacking on so !friendsofcrosstalkpm
Few things of note
Bardbot is memoryleaking crosstalk offline so im gonna fix it tonight.
!codecels who speaks parseltongue ill pay you dc
I added a mentions command and tweaked the newfriend thing so you dont have to reply on the comment itself and can stealth add.
You can see the list with the "mentions" command
The summoning comment in this case is 7783670 so just write
!!crosstalk newfriend Iheardyouwasconflicted 7783670
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!!crosstalk mentions
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This would be a lot more impactful if you had replied to the correct person.
Bravo on the dissertation though.
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This is some bullshit I swear I was replying to the other person.
Nah, where the frick are they I'm gonna copy and paste it if I have to- I put in the work to make a whole butt account so they'd see me respond they darn well better KNOW I saw them talking smack on another site and came over here with a piece of my mind ready to give with aggression (not necessarily violence, I believe in plausible deniability only when it comes to innocent until proven guilty).
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kinda based king, continue the grind
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Why do you hate LGBT people
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Holy shit it's so close.
Lol, lmao even.
Gavel to gavel coverage, powered by cable.
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I want you to die to satisfy my lust for dead redditors.
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If you weren't a coward you'd at least have talked smack on the same site instead of hiding on a whole other forum talking smack where you thought i couldn't see.
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So the mentally ill transgender moderators can ban me? No thanks.
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Pervert.
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Do you support trans witches CAUSE OUR POWER WILL NOT BE DENIED.
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i hope you get r*ped by pakis
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Holy shit does he know?
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"does he know"
Dumbass I know racist talking points.
Everyone points to "muslisms" as the defacto example of why immigration is bad.
Meanwhile we have actual christian white conservatives that say the same things as them and get cheered on.
If two people say the same thing, and the reactions are different, it wasn't what they said that made the difference.
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Not to burst your bubble but MANY people dislike when white christian conservatives say bad things. It's instead that many institutions treat muslim bigotries as something that cant be helped because "it's their culture" whereas with whites because these institutions are themselves right have higher expectations. In the UK we had courts who didnt even want to investigate accusations of grooming gangs because they didnt want to be seen as racist
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you can't delete your account. You're here forever. Your IP and personally identifying information has been logged, along with your name, address and identifying documents thanks to the admins setting up EuroSafe-compliant monitoring plugins.
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Hi newfriend i only skimmed this but if you're a leftist you should stick around. Im not one but we need more of you guys for balance
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What is your opinion on Marsey the Cat!
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I would normally say I'm all for cats.
However I now understand what people say when they mean "one of the good ones"
It's because of cats like Marsey.
It's my mouse and I'm not sharing.
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!chuds
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chuds are based?
The 8-Ball Says: Outlook not so good.
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Post bussy
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!besties we've got a new friend we haven't met yet!![:marseyfluffy: :marseyfluffy:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyfluffy.webp)
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It is unironically. Problem is then you need 2 million immigrants for the same oomph next time, then 4 million, then 8 million, and so on and so forth.
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Yeah, the main issue is when it's too much, too fast. Which is the case in much of Europe.
Even if you overlook the social problems and purely focus on the economics. There's only so many low income jobs to be created before the returns are so diminished that you're blindly pumping GDP with net tax recipients.
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wong. Remove the pakis and Syrians and Europe could easily handle it
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Are they talking about literal war brides from Europe and Asia?
I mean, I've always maintained less people would mind immigration if they were majority breeding age women instead of fighting age men
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lol the post-war decades in the US had the lowest immigration levels of the 20th century
https://cis.org/Report/Immigrants-United-States-2000
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The mistook the "melting pot" era of the 1870s-1920s with WW2
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perhaps true, but white people only use graphs and statistics too be racist, so you're post is in bad faith. @Monke say this as a feminist ally.
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MPI fakes their numbers.
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They're just a little chuddy, redditurds need to get a grip
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Same with Reform UK. There are more extreme elements waiting in the shadows for Nigel to cuck out (which has a good chance of happening).
The current configuration is just a classical liberal party that acknowledges immigration has become a huge issue, and that's enough for all the shitlibs to freak out.
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The stabbings have gotten way more media attention than the r*pes tbh.
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Counterpoint: our friends bring us yummy kebab stands! @Monke say this as a feminist ally.
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