https://old.reddit.com/r/Economics/comments/1irufiz/mass_deportations_arent_just_evil_theyre_also/
Mass Deportations Aren't Just Evil. They're Also Terrible Economics. : Economics
- 158
- 81
Top Poster of the Day:
J
Current Registered Users: 31,123
BROWSE EFFORTPOSTS
SITE GUIDE
HOLES
PING GROUPS
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Can someone please explain when we decided that the sole purpose of government is to make the line go up?
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
It started when they tied our retirement funds to the line going up
Which is funny because the line going up relies a lot on big corps doing well which these same redditors hate
I'm not against the American people having a direct consequence of the success of businesses in the country, it's good for us to want growth like that. But too many people have become wholly dependent on that line going up for a comfortable retirement
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
technically production could stay the same and still support SS as long as population grows, no? It just needs more people making the same money, adjusted for inflation. Except when they dont have babies. So then you need growth to compensate or artificial population growth (of productive citizens).
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Yeah, that's pretty much it, aside from the part of about stagnant productivity. You need fresh waves of young people to keep paying taxes to sunsidize the elderly (and of course all the welfare leeches). That's just how liberal democracies have it setup.
The current experiment is Japan with little immigration. Great country, numerous law-abiding citizens, but the near-zero economic growth rate since the 90s will bite them in the butt hard. It just takes a long time for people to wake up since government can keep borrowing to get those gibs going. Eventually, they'll scale back benefits for the old and poor because you can only tax the working group so much and borrow so much. They'll be the first to feel it.l, but I expect that it'll keep going for decades. You'll have countries like Poland outstripping them in per capita wealth by that time (assuming Poland can somehow maintain its current economic growth rate).
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Have s*x!
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
How much time have you spent arguing in this thread?
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
!chuds !!
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
the welfare itself has disincentivized raising children. for generations now
kids is expensive. they say this in and of itself is the reason for westoid birth plummeting despite the fact that the wealthier the demographic the lower the birthrate
but it's still expensid
so why invest in your own grandkids, when someone elses' will work for your social skurity anyway?
it doesn't have to be a conscious thought, but enough people make this choice subconsciously, having fewer or no kids, effectively taking advantage, and after a few gennies we have what's literally happening right now.
every one of these stupid social democratique mommy milker welfare policies of the 20th centure has created its own slew of perverse incentives.
all we have to do is fix them but grifters focus on defending what these systems say they do to distract from what they actually do
same thing with BIPOC policy encouraging single motherhood etc, there's obvious secondary sht we just ignore because .
HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE THE "SAVING PUPPIES FUND" OF DOING ANYTHING BUT SAVING PUPPIES!! YOU WANT PUPPIES TO DIE!!1! and the fricking puppy fund gives money to shelters based on the number of puppies so they breed more puppies than they could ever hope to adopt or some shit
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Your pulitzer's in the mail
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
higher retirement age, tax burdens, + cheaper housing is well worth not having your cities drown in infinite male jeets, africans & middle easterners. How is this even a question?
Like someone else wrote, the mere existence of distinguishable nations and borders is 'bad economics'. Maybe a single discipline shouldn't be the primary lens to look at our world? Maybe it's high time to stop listening to 4'9 Jewish technocrats.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
I'm not saying import everybody right now, r-slur.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
Yeah cause a multicultural hellscape is way worse than an island with only 100 million Japanese on it not 150 million
Listen too you're own logic you absolute r-slur
Trans lives matter
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
There's not much of a future for 20-year-old Japanese.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Because of government debt due too spending on social programs for old people making it too so the future generations didn't have children because of the government debt and subsequent taxes. Now you're answer is more immigrants too replace the Japanese people and their culture. In what way does that help a 20 year old Japanese kids future?
Trans lives matter
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Well, no one's looking at government debt and saying, "gee, honey, I think we should scale back our future kids from 5 to 1."
!nonchuds,
@collectijism is the funniest rightoid here. 
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
No one will save you from you're own r-sluration no matter how many pings you make people know not too step too the great @collectijism
Trans lives matter
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
Yeah any day now prosperous, clean and well-behaved Japan will be WISHING they were Sweden with every single person there watching the country they knew and grew up in fall apart into gang violence and mistrust. Those foolish asians will beg for the enrichment of diversity. Any day now.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
"Being poor is a good thing," said the furry.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
All I was asking was consider the path of zero growth and constant upward pressure on government expenditures with dwindling revenue. It won't be pretty, but people with your mindset don't care because they can't think about the long-term.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
you keep saying the long term is going to be worth it as every country that tries your long term view divebombs spectacularly into the ground on their way to becoming a third world country. it's ok though, they cope, because surely Japan will fall and fail any moment now. meanwhile japan is doing absolutely great and those predictions of terrible demographic collapse keep getting pushed to definitely going to happen next year for sure this time
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
I'm not just talking SS, I'm talking 401k, IRAs and pensions and such too. They all rely on the line going up. When the market crashes that's always one of the biggest topics "well there goes my retirement"
It's smart to have your money in there because historically the growth is great and putting the money in your mattress loses value but it's why the line going up matters.
Even if you diversify your investments (which you should), most of those investments like real estate still rely on the line going up because that's how the economy works.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
Yes, people rely on a healthy economy over the long-run. What are you trying to say?
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
It's called Keynesianism it's the only form of economics taught by the government run schools for a reason it is Marxism masquerading as free markets. Even the tiniest amount of thought you realize it's for r-slurs
Trans lives matter
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
Jfc you are genuinely r-slurred pls pick up an econ 101 textbook before you post such nonsense
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
Probably when nationalism was eradicated
Advocating for your own people is now racist, because you can no longer define who your people are
Therefore you can only argue against migrants in economic terms
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
Think the 80s
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
So much this. Borders are just lines on the ground. No human is illegal.
We're well past that icky nation-state fallacy so nations are just effectively little trading zones. Why would you be patriotic for a free trade zone? lol dumb chuds
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
Nationalism leads to war, line does not. Focusing on how big a TV you can afford won't make you want to go to war if the TV isn't big enough.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Me when Canada gets 69" TVs and we only have 65"
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Don't you foreigners measure your TVs by millimeters or picohectares or something?
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
No.
We measure in
@Cobra_Commander peepee lengths. There are 24 
@Cobra_Commander peepee lengths to one American foot
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
You weren't complaining about it last weekend.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
that was before I found out you were using a fake peepee
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
The only thing fake was my feelings for you.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
More options
Context
The only role the federal government has is to stop things that are bad. If immigration is not bad they have no reason to stop it.
Chuds don't want to say they don't like BIPOCs and beaners so they come up with nonsense reasons why immigration must be bad.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
Uncle Ted wrote about this
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
Could you please cool it with the anti-semitism?
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
More options
Context
More options
Context