I had to read the Iliad (the book that comes before the Odyssey) in university. The actual battle sections were legit awesome, no holds barred brutal, epic stuff. The problem is that's only about 20% of the book. The rest is, no joke, dudes talking about their feelings. This is legitimately insane, especially for something that was originally written on scrolls.
I guess when your civilization has literally only one story to read, you gotta make it last but wow does that feelings crap go on for wwwwaaaayyyy too long.
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It wasn't written on scrolls, it just wasn't written at all originally. You gotta remember, it's basically the sum up of a bunch of folk tales that was meant to be sung.
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He's unironically right. Nobody gets the equipment worn by soldiers in the Iliad properly.
While the Iliad was written during the 8th century BC, it is set during the 12th centuries BC, therefore late Mycenaean gear would be appropriate, including the infamous boar tusk helmets. The broom helmet is actually a Corinthian of the later type used during the late Archaic Period (late 6th/early 5th centuries BC) ; whereas the earlier Proto-Corinthians would be more accurate for Homer's time, it would still be an anachronism for the Iliad's setting.
PS : for context, it would be like seeing a modern US marines on a medieval battlefield.
While Homer's writing is not without anachronisms (for example, funeral pyres are prominently mentioned when we knew they used to bury their dead during the Late Helladic, and Homer mentions chariots being used in a way that seems to indicate he didn't really know their purpose in battle - unless the "battle taxi" hypothesis is the only correct one), it's still a unique window into a world that was long gone already by Homer's time, as can attest the numerous mentions of locations that had long ceased to be relevant by the Geometric/Orientalizing Period (Homer's time) but were prominent during the Late Bronze Age. Messing it up comically like this just cheapens how important of a cultural artifact it is.
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You're telling me that this is Illiad-accurate Odysseus?
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I had to read the Iliad (the book that comes before the Odyssey) in university. The actual battle sections were legit awesome, no holds barred brutal, epic stuff. The problem is that's only about 20% of the book. The rest is, no joke, dudes talking about their feelings. This is legitimately insane, especially for something that was originally written on scrolls.
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It wasn't written on scrolls, it just wasn't written at all originally. You gotta remember, it's basically the sum up of a bunch of folk tales that was meant to be sung.
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He's unironically right. Nobody gets the equipment worn by soldiers in the Iliad properly.
While the Iliad was written during the 8th century BC, it is set during the 12th centuries BC, therefore late Mycenaean gear would be appropriate, including the infamous boar tusk helmets. The broom helmet is actually a Corinthian of the later type used during the late Archaic Period (late 6th/early 5th centuries BC) ; whereas the earlier Proto-Corinthians would be more accurate for Homer's time, it would still be an anachronism for the Iliad's setting.
PS : for context, it would be like seeing a modern US marines on a medieval battlefield.
While Homer's writing is not without anachronisms (for example, funeral pyres are prominently mentioned when we knew they used to bury their dead during the Late Helladic, and Homer mentions chariots being used in a way that seems to indicate he didn't really know their purpose in battle - unless the "battle taxi" hypothesis is the only correct one), it's still a unique window into a world that was long gone already by Homer's time, as can attest the numerous mentions of locations that had long ceased to be relevant by the Geometric/Orientalizing Period (Homer's time) but were prominent during the Late Bronze Age. Messing it up comically like this just cheapens how important of a cultural artifact it is.
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Dude has a point. Nolan deprived us of pighelmet in favor of unhistorical corinthian slop.
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I don't give a frick how much you call your flimsy delusions "enlightenment." There is no amount of ceaseless self-deception that will make you accept the charred hellscape of being a miserable useless destitute fricking junkie piece of shit. You know what you are, and it is deeply ugly on every level.
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