One user would rather "not go on living" than to get a job at Walmart, Target, Outback, or Chilli's 
Where are the laid off feds supposed to work?
I am all for increasing efficiency and not tolerating poor performance (to be clear, I think those cases are uncommon), but it seems to be that a slower, more measured approach to reducing government size would've been more effective. I am genuinely confused when these huge swaths of people are supposed to find employment - especially when the private sector / contractors are also doing layoffs.
What is the plan? We as a country also can't sustain a significant chunk of the population being out of workโฆ
Probably in the service jobs mass deportation will free up. Literally, that's the only thing I can come up with and it's grim.
I don't see anyone doing that.
They will when times get desperate enough. Isn't that the Trump administration goal?
I would! My friend owns a contracting company and I offered to just carry stuff and pick up deliveries and maybe over time learn a trade.
Work is work and I still have a mortgage to pay
And they will stop buying things their middle class life enables them to buy, which will hurt local economies. Sorry, car dealer and restaurant and clothing store.
So you going to have hundreds of thousands of highly educated people making minimum wage at a five guys?
That is absurd. I would have no reason to go on living. Really predict this admin will result in a significant increase in suicides.
I'm not sure these establishments are a good match for folks with security clearances and expertise in their fields.
They're not. They're not supposed to find work. This is meant to be punitive and punishing to Feds and to those fired. Musk and Trump want to destroy the government as we know it. They don't care if these people can't find jobs or if the unemployment numbers go up(which they won't bc they'll be rigged). They don't care about the country or its overall wellbeing.
Seriously, look at a second degree nursing program. By the time your fork money ends you will be close to finished.
I left nursing to work in the government. It's fine but you have to be prepared to work overnights. That didn't work for my family so I had to leave the profession. It does take at least a year or two to get trained. A lot of hospitals these days will want BSN at a minimum.
Education. Teachers have been fleeing in droves.
That's because the same people tearing down our government have been attacking them for decades but have really amped it up since the pandemic.
We have a huge doctor shortage, but federal aid is unlikely to pay for med school moving forward. This isn't about shifting professions. It's about punishing people and making us willing to take any level of abuse in exchange for a minimally acceptable paycheck
naija doctors soon dey japa
Who wants to teach armed children for $50K a year?
I'm a lawyer in private practice and need to hire paralegals. Those jobs are in demand. Professional skills may transfer from government jobs. We pay well in legal.
Same
How much do you pay paralegals?
My backup plan is to drive a school bus. Seriously.
did Trump just solve the bus driver shortage? 
I am going to try to find a job at a bakery. Baking is a big hobby of mine, and while I can't earn no money at all, I don't really need to earn my former salary, since I am married.
Walmart managers can can make over $200,000. Walmart promotes from within Walmart prefers to hire college graduates to these positions but many many people which is high school degrees get promoted to Walmart managers if they have the right hustle.
Getting into education might be hard, because you have to compete as a new teacher with more experienced teachers for those juicy admin roles where you answer emails and don't fricking teach
There are plenty of admin openings at gatehouse, along with school based roles and FCPS has a provisional licensure program. It might not be viable for people
Making GS 13+ money but it's definitely not school based only
I'm aware of the provisional program. I went through a very similar one in another county. It took me a year, several licensure exams, student teaching experience, and 9 credits.
And those admin positionsโฆ you'll be up against the many teachers fleeing the classroom right now. They have education experience on their resumes and understand the field well.
Probably in the service jobs mass deportation will free up. Literally, that's the only thing I can come up with and it's grim.
Right... how am I supposed to pay a mortgage on a service job. Also, a bit strange you would even want someone in service with a PhD in physics.
I kind of wonder what the enrollment impact will be on our public schools when families find themselves unable to afford private tuition too
That's one of the positive outcomes in my opinion. Private schools locally will tank, there are too many anyhow, and when you have educated parents reinvolved with public schools they will flourish.
Plus, super easy to become a substitute teacher to make a least part of the money to pay bills.
Um, I think they just want to spend less on tuition
And they will stop buying things their middle class life enables them to buy, which will hurt local economies. Sorry, car dealer and restaurant and clothing store.
Not just those. We decided to cut down groceries and limit gift giving, trim vacations, etc. It's literally a ricochet to everyone
when i was a kid vacation was going to grandma's house for a week, but dc urban moms go on vacation and come back bitter and unrefreshed when they notice women in Paris, France, are skinnier than them. 
"it's totally cigarettes at least I won't get cancer"
a tangent.... 
In April of last year, DC Urban moms had a panicked 22 page discussion about Disney World changing their Autism line skipper policies to be more strict. It was one of the most pressing concerns that week on DC Urban Moms.
DH is "dear husband" he has some kind of spergery 
that gave him special Disney World privileges. I don't know what the acronyms are. Disboards is the very active Disney forum, for Disney Adults who plan their Walt Disney Worldยฎ Resort trip 18 months in advance, and talk about it every single day to other Disboard members.
back to the sneeding...
How many feds can afford to send their kids to private schools?
There's a lot of tuition daylight between St Albans and some random storefront "classical" school and I suspect a lot of families are stretching to send their kids to both.
So you going to have hundreds of thousands of highly educated people making minimum wage at a five guys?
That is absurd. I would have no reason to go on living. Really predict this admin will result in a significant increase in suicides.
That's your choice.
Wow!! Zero empathy. What happened to you to make you this inhuman?
empathy is when capitulate to suicide baiting
Anyone who has ever been friends with a suicide whiner knows how unsustainable this is 
I'm sorry if you were struggling. I certainly never mocked anyone.
You do realize these illegal firings will just lead to more struggles for everyone, right?
DP. This may not land the way you want it to. A lot of us can't afford house cleaners, car detailing, lawn care, travel, and home renovation. Those are luxuries. So cutting back on that stuff simply takes you to the lifestyle many of us are already living.
This isn't a zero sum game, Sandra. Your persecution complex is the problem โ not other people.
I work in the private sector, in a white collar job that has had layoffs. Do you think laying off the government employees will help the private sector folks?
I understand why no one has sympathy for you as you seem to be a nasty individual.
This- it is all connected. We should be terrified of the impact not giddily gleeful.
NP but if one has so little grit that a job loss would make them commit suicide and leave [their spouse, kids] holding the bag thenโฆ not much sympathy.
I am highly educated and if I had to, I would hold my head high and do one of those service jobs, be thankful someone hired me, and know there was probably a light at the end of the tunnel once the admin changed.
The admin is not going to change, fool. We are living through the end stage of American democracy. Wake the F up.
Not when everyone in a specific region is laid off and tightening their belts. Restaurants will have trouble staying open as well.
All those "service" jobs mentioned earlier will struggle to stay in business and will layoff too. Who has the money for those places when they are not employed? I've already cut them from my budget.
Not just those. We decided to cut down groceries and limit gift giving, trim vacations, etc. It's literally a ricochet to everyone
No more house cleaner, hair salon or landscapers for us.
WAIT YOU GUYS HAVE HOUSE CLEANERS AND LANDSCAPERS??? 
No more house cleaner, hair salon or landscapers for us.
Same.
Trump plan is for fired Feds to replace jobs vacated by the deported illegals. Not a joke. He thinks fired Feds will have no choice after the unemployment benefits run out. People have to eat and need shelter
I'm curious where your concerns have been for the last four years. Throughout this time, anyone who wasn't affiliated with the federal government has been shouting from the rooftops that white collar jobs were getting cut, and people were suffering as a result.
I'm guessing you were among those saying that Tysons II was crowded and that the right-wing individuals were just stupid and lazy.
For the past four years, the DMV bubble has been told that jobs were scarce and budgets were tight, but we were all ignored.
There has been zero sympathy. And I have none to give in return.
DMV I think stands for: DC, and Maryland, Virginia (the parts next to DC)
It's time to think outside the box on income options.
For example, if you have a spare bedroom in your house, consider renting it out. I am divorced, and my kids are grown. As much as I hate the idea of a roommate, I would consider renting my two spare bedrooms as a last resort.
Other options include childcare, respite foster care, eldercare, substitute teaching, and dog walking. Many of the solutions will lie in the entrepreneurial realm.
childcare - agree, but there will be much less demand if these Gilead commanders get their way and less women are working
respite foster care - funded by who?
eldercare - hope Medicare holds up during the collapse
substitute teaching - no way, they are cutting school funding all over the place. We are less than 5 years from them putting 100+ kids in a room with a recorded curriculum. Maybe 1 or 2 minimum wage room monitors... or I don't even want to say this but "cell block" type rooms where guards video monitor multiple rooms and only intervene if there are problems. Sounds crazy now but schools have becoming more prisonish for decades and i guarantee cutting teachers and using tech in its place is on the docket.
Dog walking - with what disposable income? Again, more women at home. Some work here but trust that in the long vision, women are back to doing (even more) free domestic labor.
How much do you pay paralegals?
Np, and same question. I was a federal paralegal for 13 years. I enjoyed the sedentary nature of the work.
I can't find the bottom of the seethe
thanks again, Trump voters.
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Any teachers in your family? Dept of Ed funding cuts already have schools talking about how they'll need to lay off teachers and make classrooms bigger; special needs or ESL teachers lol that all counts as DEI now.
I'll finally have to join an MLM pyramid scheme and work my way to the top!
some DCUM posters are already in MLMs but unironically (They are mormon fedwives and cannot get a 9-5 job for religious reasons)
I thought you all wanted to be retrained to install solar panels. It's what you suggested last time major layoffs occurred.
what's this a refrence to
Let me see. After earning a Ph.D. and and 20 years into a successful career in government contracting, I can work at Costco during the day which won't pay my bills (including the childcare I will need to work at Costco), get a nursing degree at night, and then be a nurse for half of what I currently make. Sounds great.
What about server positions? Easily $40-$50 per hour.
In a few months, no one will be eating out.
it's over
It is a sad situation. Have any of the feds who voted for trump and now got laid off realized they shouldn't have done it?
Feds have been whining for weeks now about how little they make. Yet when given everyday jobs that are similar pay they turn their nose up at the ideas. This is why people don't respect you anymore.
+1.
The pages I'm reading now are devolving into increasing novel posting about how I made it in the past 
and increased infighting 
I am on page 12
of 59
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They eventually will, when hiring takes off again. I feel a lot of sympathy for these people. It's fricking rough when your paycheck runs out and you don't seem to have any options. When the 2006 recession hit, I was still working a full time job, and my company laid off all the consultants working for us to try to avoid full-timer layoffs. Consultants expect to get laid off periodically, it's part of the gig, but these guys were FREAKING OUT because there were no other contracts anywhere in the country. It's not to that level right now, but it definitely isn't a good time to get laid off.
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!fincels, this comment is a certified !foidmoment. For some reason, when it comes to things like this, women are incapable of understanding multiplication. Of course $100,000 is no big deal, but almost 4ยฝ million civilians are employed by the federal government. If even 10% of them are useless do-nothings, and they're drawing an average salary of $106,382, that's over $47 billion the government is lighting on fire every year, purely on payroll.
The way Musk & Co. are going about cutting these jobs is ridiculous and guaranteed to bite them in the butt sooner than later, but the idea that it won't save a meaningful amount of money because no single employee's salary is a meaningful amount of money is so headbangingly r-slurred, it serves as perfect reminder of what the "r" in "rDrama" stands for.
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There are 2.4 million federal employees, not including 600k USPS workersโwhich are private that follow civil service guidelines. Salary for all of them would be about 4% of the federal budget for every swinging peepee employed. Everyone in the peepee-sucking government. Firing a bunch of probationary GS-7s? Barely more than a Valentine's Day gift to Israel. Less than what regularly gets butt-chugged into whatever Lockheed, Raytheon, or Northrop clusterfrick is currently bleeding taxpayer dollars dry. Much less than flyover Diabetes Goblinos' SSDI checks after losing a foot in the Hershey's War.
What do you think the average federal worker is? TSA agent? USCIS Inspector? MSHA mine inspector? VA nurse? Suicide prevention "Don't Keep yourself safe" Veteran's hotline counselor? Plasma physicist at Lawrence Livermore? Astronaut? SSA processor fixing granny's Social Security check?
Sure, Sleepy Joe probably hired some useless-frick DEI coordinators, but the vast majority of federal workers are in specialized fields. That's why their salaries seem "higher" than the average prole with a sixth-grade reading level. They're not sitting around filling out diversity worksheetsโthey're engineers, scientists, healthcare providers, regulators, and administrators keeping the country running while people b-word about their existence from behind a Northwest Mutual Desk.
It's pretty clear for the past 30 years most of the loudest cute twinks in this country don't actually know how the government (or anything not directly related to their consooming) works. They can't tell a career civil servant from a political appointee. Trump himself hired around 800 Senate-confirmed positions and probably another 4,000 "special advisors" and Executive Office of the President staffers (those haven't been published, but that's not an unreasonable estimate)โhigher-end salaries, btwโnot your average NTSB Burned Bodies Inspector or National Park Service biologist.
They fired the nuclear scientists responsible for maintaining the nation's nuclear arsenal. They fired park rangers. They fired career civil servants, many (1 in 5) of them veteransโthe same people the party line pretends to give a shit about. A lot of them had stellar performance reviews, but they had the misfortune of being hired within the last year or two or changing positions and landing back on probation only to get fired for "poor performance" which is what they're blanket-claiming, probably to induce people to quit.
There's a right way to cut staff and RIF. And then there's whatever the frick this is: a sloppy, retaliatory purge against perceived political enemies (what do you mean the Career Civil Servant at DOJ told me that I can't start investigating journ*lists that say mean things?) masquerading as fiscal responsibility. What it really is, though, is an attempt to return to the spoils systemโwhere loyalty, not competence, determines who gets to keep their job. It's the same playbook Musk uses when he "turns around" companies: gut the workforce, claim efficiency, ignore the rubble.
Look at Twitter. Musk fired 80% of the staff after taking the company private. Sure, you can't see the detailed 10-Ks anymore since it's his private shit show now, but 2024 estimates for adjusted EBITDA sit around $1.25 billion, on revenues between $2.7 and $2.9 billion. Compare that to the $5.1 billion Twitter was pulling in back in 2021โwithout even accounting for inflation.
And then there's the $1.2 billion annual interest on his payday loan for buying the darn company. So, with his loan payments and EBITDA, this little BIPOC is not even breaking even. Heck, I'd bet my bitcoin he's bleeding cash.
But hey, he's got something else: a platform to shill and rug-pull shitcoins for him and his purchased friends, say r-slurred neurodivergent shit, and manipulate public sentiment. That's great for pumping stock prices and stroking his ego. Clearly a heckin' ubermensch business genius and not a right-place, right-time Stragasaurus Rex.
In the end, half of the cute twink r-slurs screaming about "useless federal employees" are usually just bitter that anyone has the middle class life they don't. And in that sneeding, "I can't breed" rage, they're not so different from the shitlibs they hate.
!nonchuds
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Literally the only way now you will attract talent to the federal government is by having higher wages than the private sector. Previously it'd be that it's kind of cushy. You may not make as much, but you have to worry about job security far less. You also have to do less generally (though not always). Because of this, it attracted a lot of familymen and other folks who wanted job security to focus on other things. Who feel a job is just a job. Now without this job security, who will want to go through the agonizing experience that is working with the Federal Government? The only way you can attract people is by raising wages above that of the private sector (because it's better/less cumbersome out there). It also completely changes the composition of people working there (from griller I just want to work to support my family to I want money I want money types (plus the new spoils system)), for the worse imo. !grillers
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Everything I know about civil servants I learned from Yes, Minister
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Pretty accurate.
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It's incredible that in the time it took you to type all those paragraphs, you couldn't be bothered to read the second of the two I wrote.
I'm well aware that cutting jobs in the manner they're going about it is a terrible idea. My point was that small amounts of money add up quickly when there's millions of instances of it. This is an ongoing problem when it comes to wingcucks discussing the federal budget.
A great example would be in 2012 when Mitt Romney brought up the possibility of cutting funding for a bunch of federal programs, including the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. The universal response from Democrats and their affiliated media outlets was to point out that PBS only accounts for something like 0.02% of the federal budget, so it doesn't matter. All while failing to realize (or intentionally ignoring) that if you cut a few hundred programs like that, you've reduced the budget by a significant amount.
It's like !peakpoors saying buying some luxury item or another doesn't matter because it's only $5. Except it's not one item, it's three or four items, and it's not just once, it's every day of the year.
None of which has anything to do with whether or not Trump and Musk's plans and methods are feasible, much less advisable. But you're so wingcucked, you glossed right over that to argue a point I not only didn't make, but one I explicitly addressed specifically to preempt some massive screed like the one you just posted.
Also, all the "swinging peepee", "peepee-sucking", "butt-chugged", etc. for no reason other than to cram as much milquetoastโbut seemingly edgyโprofanity and pseudo-profanity into every sentence as possible really isn't going against my "what the 'r' in 'rDrama' stands for" jab.
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I LIKE TO HEAR MYSELF TALK THATS WHY I POST ON GAY CAT PAGE
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Oh frick off, we don't need them.
If we really do, then hire them back. You'll never know ahead of time because they'll all kick and scream about how necessary they are even if they really aren't.
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If you fire all your underpaid, overqualified staff who do thankless jobs because of perceived status or "patriotism" then you will have to hire the same people (or likely worse substitutes) back as "private contractors" for 5X as much, plus the overhead of an extra layer of Accenture management. I have seen this scenario play out over and over again in IT.
!neolibs explain how the accounting shenanigans work: we're lowering our fixed costs by cutting 100 million in full-time staff, but we'll make up the savings with 500 million in variable costs from contractors we can easily cut if we have to
(but we never will, because actually now the contractors are the only ones who know how anything works)
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Jimie, you really are too funny.
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Didn't SpaceX, a private company, make space travel cheaper than the government?
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That is because they were publicly funded by investors, and weren't being paid by the taxpayer with an incentive to jack up costs and reduce risk above all else
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R*pedrama
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yeah but what is $47B in the grand sceme of things? DOGE is supposed to save us trillions?
All the real money flows into the private sector
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I fricking hate being a britbong.
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I can't speak for chuds, but in my experience with the blue/white collar divide, it's all about perspective.
To the blue collarcel, if they don't show up, shit doesn't get built, trains don't run on time and critical infrastructure fails.
From their perspective If the office workers don't show up, nothing bad happens because they don't understand what those jobs do.
I think that's what drives a lot of this sort of thinking. everyone likes to think their job is more important than what it is. Tradespeople are no exception.
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No I'm well aware my job is mostly useless but I am very good at it
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This is v true. When I was young and inexperienced I thought managers did nothing. It's only as I've become more senior and been responsible for delivering large multi-year projects that I came to understand how difficult it is organizing and coordinating all the different pieces.
Good management can make a project and bad management can break it. We'll see what the new management of the US gov does.
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They're not making that in the private sector. Definitely not getting the PTO, pension, and other retirement benefits.
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Functionally, this just means workers with in-demand skills just slack off after their probationary period. The government is basically considered semi-retirement for several professions. Less pay = less hours.
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Don't know how the monopoly money changes hands in Innsmouth, but a Trader Joe's assistant manger isn't making more than a corporate representative in burgerland.
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