14th Amendment anyone?

Posting !nonchuds content on /r/professormemeology is good for shit stirring.

Because they crossed over without going through due process of our immigration laws…dipshit🙄

Wow, why so mean? Also, violation of the law doesn't justify further violation. You also still need to prove they did in court.

Laws exist that you can deport illegals convicted of certain crimes. You don't hold an open trial again for a crime they've already been found guilty of. It's just scoop grab deport.

You have no idea what due process means.

He is factually correct. Expedited Deportation process is a thing. They are detained, identified, ask to provide documentation they are legally here. If they cannot and there is a record of them being a criminal here or in another country they can be deported without going in front of a judge.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Asylum Laws require you to have the right to due process if you are on American Soil and Claim Asylum. There are lots of non-citizens who are here legally.

And there are millions of ones here not legally. Just because life isn't perfect in their country does not conclude automatic asylum. Come in the right way

That's a very privileged point of view from a person that would probably break the law to survive in his own country. But heck, what do i know. Im just a first-generation violent criminal. When you have to choose walking across a border or watching your wife lose her head. I think youll know whats best for your family

That is some mental gymnastics.

Expedited Deportation process is a thing. They are detained, identified, ask to provide documentation they are legally here. If they cannot and there is a record of them being a criminal here or in another country they can be deported without going in front of a judge.

We are not talking about the average ILLEGAL immigrant, we are talking abut those removed and sent to prison.

I had people straight up say "They're all violent gang members being deported." Like no, most aren't. Characterizing everyone being deported as violent is the exact same strategy racists have been using for centuries. If you hate a minority group you just pretend they're all violent and racists will just agree with you.

how did they get caught then if they didnt commit a crime? Are you saying illegally entering a country is legal?

If the cops suspect you of jaywalking, can they grab you and throw you in prison? Jawalking is illegal.

they can stop you or ticket you yes, but i wouldn't compare mere jaywalking to illegally crossing a whole country's border. Id compare it to someone illegally breaking into your home. Now are you going to stop them or kick them out?

I'm willing to bet every American in this thread has been more personally affected by jaywalkers than they have illegal immigrants.

IDs. Social Security cards. Birth certificates. Background checks. Driver's licenses. Do I need to keep going, or do you get the idea?

So what about asylum seekers? The ones who are here legally that are being deported?

Only 14% are granted asylum - this is a non-argument fort his topic.

Expedited Deportation process is a thing. They are detained, identified, ask to provide documentation they are legally here. If they cannot and there is a record of them being a criminal here or in another country they can be deported without going in front of a judge.

As long as they are getting their case heard is all we care about. We just want for them to have their day in court.

You are mixing the process. Less than 20% of illegal immigrants claim asylum. Of those 14% are granted. They get their day in court as do many illegal immigrants that are detained.

Individuals that are known to have a prior criminal record (in this country or elsewhere) can be detained a deported without going in front of a judge. They didn't claim asylum because if they did they wouldn't be granted it and they would then be on record in the US. Address, etc. Why would a known criminal tell the US authorities - "Hey, I'm here".

I forgot you're the expert in immigration, the guy on Reddit. Didn't we just have deported migrants sent back because the way trump handled it was illegal? Like you're trying to make it seem like it's not that bad because it's a miniscule number but I'll go another step and use your logic and say if the trans community is less than 1 percent, why do you conservatives not use that argument with dealing with them? Seems like you're picking and choosing what you want.

Well, I am but you wouldn't accept that fact as then you would have to say, yeah, I guess I was wrong.

And no, none were sent back because the plane was already over international waters so the judge had no jurisdiction. Many SA countries are accepting flights,

Your argument about trans doesn't make any sense. I am not picking an argument, I simply stated that there was a process that allows us to deport certain individuals without going in front of a judge. This is true whether you believe it or not.

They're brown that's good enough for me

Average catholic

Let's protect everyone! We can afford it, but also America is the worst and should slowly die to support people who don't have it as good!

Sure, that's why america is slowly dying. Pay no attention to the crony capitalism, tax cuts, and attacks on our own institutions.

Say, when america was at its peak, what was the highest marginal tax rate? Sort of a trick question, but perhaps you have a different idea of when peak americana was than I do.

Oh shit here comes an anti-capitalist, you were raised on capitalism thank God for the blessing that you were born here and shut the frick up

There's a shit ton of capitalists that appreciate having institutions. A ton of them also complain about crony capitalism. I'm a socialist, it's true, you got me, but none of my listed complaints are particularly socialist coded.

Unless you think america in the 60s was some sort of commie country? if so, big lol

You're forgetting that these raids and targets aren't random. We 100% know who's being deported - and they aren't American citizens.

Except the ones that are.

Oop, did that ruin your fantasy? This is the fricking point. You take the government at face value, presumably after screaming about the Biden administration lying about everything for 4 years, and then citizens fall through the cracks. That's why we have due process

The child wasn't deported. The parents were and they could either abandon their child or take them with.

And so she dies in America with no support and no way to get to her appointments, or go back to Mexico and die where they can't do the treatment.

Which discounts people like this or an old but gold article. It's not like it doesn't happen, and hasn't been a prior concern.

70 potential U.S. citizens were deported between 2015 and 2020, a recent report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) concluded. They were deported even though U.S. citizens cannot be charged with violations of civil immigration law.

All told, available data shows that ICE arrested 674 potential U.S. citizens, detained 121, and deported 70 during the time frame the government watchdog analyzed.

Since when does having a kid with cancer give you a free pass to commit crimes. If someone committed murder or r*pe, do they get off the hook if they need to take their kid to doctor's appointments?

Weird non sequitur, her parents were confirmed to have no criminal history. No follow up for the other 70 citizens confirmed to have been deported by ice last time? All of the citizens being arrested and detained with no due process?

Entering the country illegally is a crime.

Haha show how brilliant you are! Millions with and S and give them due process? Do you know how much that would cost? Take your post down

Darn, so you're saying we could save a lot of money if we just get rid of due process altogether? Wow, why hasn't doge just done this?

? Can't read eh, let me slow down the words… Due Process is great, not for immigrants!

Oh, really? Mind showing me where the 14th Amendment says it's exclusively for citizens? Take just a little longer to read the description I gave.

Listen you are what's wrong with America 🇺🇸 sure you get this a lot, keep posting dumb content

Yeah, wanting to uphold the constitution is a real issue for you.

The really dangerous American fascist... is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power... They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective, toward which all their deceit is directed, is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection.

~quoted in the New York Times, April 9, 1944 Henry A. Wallace

A Vaush watcher makes a post and the "top comment" is another Vaush commenter agreeing with everything he said and has more upmarseys than the post itself.

Yeah, nothing odd about that.

It is? BAAAAASSSED!!!

Have you considered the counter argument that immigrants and leftists are ba-a-a-a-ad

Simple, you enter without due process...you are now iilegal and are barred from due process due to your dumbass decision OF CROSSING INTO A COUNTRY YOU WERENT SUPPOSED TO IN THE FIRST PLACE...

FAFO

How do you know they entered illegaly? It's not like they are branded on the forehead. Also, greencard holders are being deported on the grounds of "the government said so". The official excuse is "they support terrorism", but once again, how the frick do you know without going through the courts?

I like the idea of america shoving it's peepee down people throats just bc they thought they could come here and support islam

So you don't believe in freedom of religion?

Not for Islam. There is no peace in a religion that talks of rocks and trees telling you that there is a jew behind it and to kill it

Wow, just blatant bigotry. Nice dude

Due process is fulfilled the moment an ID check is run and the individual in question doesn't have a valid visa on record. The ID check/investigation is the Due process. The law states that unauthorized entrants can be deported.

That being said, I work regularly in migrant detention centers. Think old state prisons where migrant detainees are held until deportation. Almost every one of the people there is appealing their deportation order, filing for asylum, etc. It's a lengthy process and sometimes they are there for months. Many times, they sit there for a while, and rhe immigration judge decides that their behavior during the detention process and personal circumstance warrants a reprieve in their visa application, and they're let go. Sometimes, something is discovered in their background that makes them ineligible for a visa and they're slated for deportation.

But, it's not as if they're being grabbed and immediately flown out.

There's a lot that happens behind the scenes to go above and beyond to give these people a fair shot that the media simply doesn't cover.

What I'm saying is, that if these migrants are on a plane being deported, it's almost guaranteed that every conceivable option for due process has been exhausted on their behalf using US taxpayer dollars.

They do take people who even have valid IDs and show them. Mahmoud Khalil showed the ICE agents who arrested him his ID, and even got his immigration lawyer on the phone who told the ice agents they couldn't get away with it because they have a mountain of proof. They took him anyway and got away with it

Having ID doesn't excuse his other violations.

Okay. What violations did his peaceful protest make?

The government has filed additional allegations in the immigration court case, telling the court that Khalil had willfully failed to disclose material information when he applied for a green card in 2024: his internship with UNRWA, his having worked for the British embassy in Beirut beyond 2022, and his association with CUAD

quoting the Wikipedia article about him

The government has filed additional allegations

So his "due process" is not complete, but the government disappeared him anyway. Thanks for clearing that up.

He is literally being detained in the US. He is appealing through the courts. He is receiving his due process right now. Lmao

Can they provide documentation of being a US citizen? That's a good start

That's what the due process is for. Also it's on the government to prove they're guilty. Not the other way around. Unless you want to prove you've not committed every crime known to man

Terrorist don't get due process. Patriot act and all

True. Why don't I just start labeling the opposition as terrorist and putting them in prison? Yet another reason why the patriot act is garbage and shouldn't have existed.

So you're not OK with these gangs from other countries and the cartels being labeled as terrorist?

so if someone broke in to your house, your argument is that you wouldn't kick them out just because you dont know who they are or how they got inside? Nice logic.

Such a weak, pathetic argument. I'd know because I'm the only one who can allow them in. Nice Strawman.

Clearly not because you're not in charge of the border. the analogy involves this person breaking in, like through the border? how do you know who this person is, if theyre from a cartel or what their intentions are in your home. You responded to nothing but insulted an actual response

You do realize I was talking about my house, right?

One of the dumbest posts

Found a sheep.

Found a lib

I'm conservative, actually, but you pathetic little kids can only preserve your self-delusion by maintaining the utter authority of your echo chamber, which of course you do by telling yourself anyone that disagrees with you is evil.

I can't even bring myself to hate someone so sad.

Hahahaha typical liberal response.

Textbook echo chamber. You're literally telling yourself that anyone that doesn't precisely agree with you must be the opposition. Your fundamental existence only continues in an echo chamber of people regurgitating the exact same thing.

"This post is dumb and anybody who doesn't think so is a liberal, mommy make them go away."

Coming from the liberal that called me a sheep. No echo chamber here bucko. If you would like to talk more just send me a chat invite. I can talk to off whatever ledge you're thinking about jumping off of

Darn guys this dude just said he likes kids in dm's.

Coming from the guy that supports a president the sniffed little kids and showered with his daughter!! Sounds like you lost this so called conversation/debate. Just get off of reddit, go downstairs and see what mom is making for dinner.

Darn bro is breaking out the whataboutism and not even slightly denying that he likes kids.

I get the meme but it's kinda spreading false information. They are getting processed. No citizens are being deported.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latinx/us-citizen-child-recovering-brain-cancer-deported-mexico-undocumented-rcna196049

Go on, say it with your chest

Undocumented parents. I guess you're one of those people that believes parents should be deported and kids sent to orphanages. Keeping the kids with their parents is the moral thing to do. Only a monster would rip a family apart.

That enough chest foe ya bucko?

You want to talk about morals, how moral is it to take a family that has zero criminal history and give them the option of letting their child, a us citizen with every right to be here, die alone in america, or letting their child die with them in mexico after denying their child the chance to get treatment? Who's the real monster?

Also, this isn't even a new concern. It happened under Trump's last term too

70 potential U.S. citizens were deported between 2015 and 2020, a recent report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) concluded. They were deported even though U.S. citizens cannot be charged with violations of civil immigration law.

All told, available data shows that ICE arrested 674 potential U.S. citizens, detained 121, and deported 70 during the time frame the government watchdog analyzed.

But go on, say it again, say that American citizens don't get deported by Ice

Die alone?? I'm certain they'd be placed with a family and survive. You're being a bit theatrical here. Say what you want but illegals should are just that. Illegal. You cannot pick and choose which laws you want to uphold. They should have gone through the process of becoming citizens like regular immigrants.

You're a terrible person for wanting to remove children from their parents custody.

Nice reply to the other 70 people that exist despite you claiming that they don't. I don't want to remove the children from their parents custody, I think that if they have no criminal history, they can be left well enough alone while they attend to the medical needs of a US citizen. "You're certain" just like you were certain that no American citizens have been deported?

But you have a funny way of putting words in my mouth to deflect from the fact that you're still peddling a patently false statement. American citizens have been deported by ice, both historically and in the present, despite "you're certain" that they weren't