A social media app just for 'females' intentionally excludes trans women — and some say its face-recognition AI discriminates against women of color, too - r/technology

Grover said in a December tweet in the wake of the controversy that the app would be temporarily removed from the Google app store after the company was targeted with negative reviews by people she described in a tweet as "male" and "trolls."

The app was restored to Google Play in January and has remained available on the App Store. Neither Apple nor Google returned Insider's requests for comment about whether the app violated any policies.

Trans people sounded the alarm about Giggle on social media in December

Victoria Morris, a 27-year-old trans woman from Orlando, Florida, said she first heard of Giggle while browsing trans Reddit forums.

Morris, who said she had downloaded the app but was never able to get it to work, tweeted in early December about the slew of negative reviews Giggle received on the App Store. The tweet, which was shared more than 4,000 times, showcased negative reviews claiming the app looked for "euro-centric facial features," excluded Black women, and even verified cisgender men.

Jenny, who requested her last name be withheld over safety concerns, told Insider "it was pretty easy to get past the filter" when she and her friends first tried to install Giggle about two years ago.

"Sometimes it took a few tries, but it would eventually work," she said.

She re-downloaded the platform late last year when she saw people were discussing it on social media.

But once she got on Giggle, Jenny said she saw posts in the general discussion section from people who were talking about trans people in "disparaging ways."

After Jenny tweeted about joining Giggle on December 9, another Twitter user tagged Grover in the tweet, claiming Jenny was "transgressing women's boundaries" by using the app. In response, Grover replied "Sorted" with a heart emoji.

Shortly after, Jenny said her Giggle app stopped working. She said she didn't receive any formal notice her account had been terminated beyond the tweet from the Giggle CEO.

Artificial intelligence, like the one used by Giggle, has a history of issues around race

Giggle has also faced criticism for failing to recognize faces that don't appear to be white.

Fieseler, the University of Colorado at Boulder professor, said research has shown the type of facial analysis used by Giggle has led to instances of racism because the technology often works better on lighter skin tones.

"It works best for white men and worse for Black women and progressively worse the darker woman's skin is in terms of correctly classifying gender. That's just something that we know," she said.

In 2019, Joy Buolamwini, a researcher at the M.I.T. Media Lab, in a study found that Kairos' technology misgendered darker-skinned females 22.5% of the time, according to a report from The New York Times. Melissa Doval, the then-CEO of Kairos, told the Times it had made changes to its algorithm following the research to improve its accuracy.

Morris said Giggle "seemed like it was harming both trans women and also a lot of women of color or that don't have the Eurocentric features that the app is really designed for."

"We just know that these systems are imperfect," Fieseler said. "So if you're using them for gatekeeping, there's going to be errors and there's likely going to be systematic errors around race in particular."

Grover denied that the platform's AI prevented women of color from using it. If Giggle improperly rejects someone, a prospective user should contact the company to have the problem rectified, Grover told Insider in an email.

"Women of every race are not just welcome on Giggle, women of every race are on Giggle," Grover said.

Trans women were initially allowed on Giggle but were later banned by Grover

Grover, who lives in Australia, said she and her mother had the idea to create Giggle after they shared "many glasses of rose."

"We wanted a place where women could go to help each other," she said in an email. "A female space, in the palm of their hand. Where women could find support, connection and a refuge amongst other women no matter where they were or what they were doing."

Grover declined to say how many employees work at Giggle but she said "a team of women" work on the app's onboarding process.

In current marketing materials on its social media channels and on its website, Giggle claims to be a space for "females" rather than a space for "women." This is intentional, Grover said, adding that "the word 'woman' has been so heavily appropriated" that "clarification feels necessary."

Grover said she decided to exclude trans women from Giggle after some trans women posted threats against TERFs on the app.

"There was an orchestrated - albeit failed - attempt to get Giggle removed from the App Store and Google Play. There was some media attention, all of which called me a TERF and Giggle, Transphobic," she said.

Thereafter, she said she researched trans and "radical feminist" communities and decided that trans women should be excluded from her app.

TERF ideology is harmful to trans people, advocates say

As Vox reported, the term TERF, which labels individuals who exclude trans women from their feminism, originated in the 1970s, but gained traction online beginning in the early 2000s.

Many women who expose such ideology have rejected it, claiming the term a slur, instead adopting the moniker "gender-critical" feminists, unlike Grover.

"These are words that are thrown at women, on a daily basis, who stand up for our own hard-won s*x-based rights," Grover said. "What am I supposed to do? Cower and give up my own rights? No. Never going to happen. You get over it, move on and keep going."

Advocates for the trans community say such TERF ideology creates real-world harm for trans people. In addition to advocating for the exclusion of trans women from women's spaces, TERFs have also historically advocated against access to gender-affirming care for trans people, as Insider's Canela López reported.

Nearly all of Grover's posts to Twitter mention trans people or biological s*x. In a December 31 tweet she wrote: "I'd rather be shrill and knowledgeable than be so arrogantly ignorant about something so simple like the immutable binary of biological s*x."

In a January 6 tweet, she came to the defense of "Harry Potter'' author J.K. Rowling, who has likewise been labeled a TERF for her views about trans people.

Morris, who tweeted about Giggle in December, said she never had any interactions with Grover, but said Grover shared a tweet that called her a "beggar" after she posted a link to a fundraiser for gender-affirming surgery.

In at least one other social media post, however, Grover appeared to inform trans users via Twitter they'd been booted from Giggle, as she had with Jenny.

"Your account has been removed. Thank you for making it very easy for us to do so," Grover said in a December 9 tweet after two trans women said they had been allowed on Giggle.

Jenny said Grover on December 10 shared a collage of tweets from Jenny and her friends. Jenny said she viewed this as her "making fun" of them for calling out the Giggle app for attempting, and failing, to exclude trans women.

In the December 10 tweet, Grover wrote, "it's just not healthy to be this angry over female spaces."

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