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4th day of Ukraine invasion. Kyiv still stands

Now the primary focus seems to be around Donetsk and Luhansk, where parts of the territory would be under pro Russian rebels. (Al jazeera for rebels in those places info)

There have also been civilian deaths due to shelling in that territory.

Japan has initiated plans to improve defense ties with the US due to the Russian invasion.

Partial/limited SWIFT sanctions have been placed on Russia targeting specific banks.

Starlink satellite has been activated in Ukraine so complete loss of internet access shouldn't be a problem.

Ukrainian UN ambassador has requested red cross to collect Russian soldiers dead bodies so the families back home can know what happened. Further moral victory for Ukraine

Ukraine and Russia have signed agreement to not frick over the nuclear reactors.

That is all I am aware of.

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Starlink satellite has been activated in Ukraine so complete loss of internet access shouldn't be a problem.

Anti-Musk redditors melt down after it is discovered that Elon Musk did something good. They will still get him with the cobalt and emerald mine thing

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He just was the first guy to put money into breaking up the ULA rocket cartel and since then he's been in a haze doing high tech rich people drugs, losing his wife, pawing at vapid 20s goth chicks, probably not lucid enough to actually have s*x with them. Sorry commiecels, you might not like it but this is the instrument that the invisible hand works through.

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probably not lucid enough to actually have s*x with them

He's got five kids (that we know of). He may be a sperg on Twitter but he fricks.


:!marseybooba:

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The elusive chad repeating gay reddit memes on twitter all day

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While being the richest man alive, very chadlike

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Imagine if Musk is the reason Ukraine wins (watch this comment age like milk).

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I wonder how the logistics of getting the transiever and antenna are gonna work.

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Well, they could drive them in on a truck from the uncontested western border

Or SpaceX could pack them into Dragon capsules and drop them into the Maidan from orbit

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kyiv

Opinion disregarded

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Free seethe generator

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LET'S GO BRANDON lmao

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SHEEV

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I was hoping China would jump into the party but they stabbed Russia in the back in favor for the all might US dollar.

Now this event is boring for me.

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China's message to the world has always been that countries should mind their own business (even if someone somewhere does a little light genocide). Then their :marseydrunk: of an ally Russia had to openly invade another country. If they didn't denounce Russia, China would invite even more Uighur and Taiwan attacks

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There is no way Putin gave the go ahead for this invasion without the promise of significant economic backing from China. It's day 4, china will come through.

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China and Russia aren't really "allies". It's more like a rigged dodgeball game where America picks the entire football team and China is left with the creepy school shooter with a bad home life

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Based westphalian sovereignty observers.

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Pray that it actually happens inshallah

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China isn't ready yet, needs another 5-10 years.

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:#marseycheeks:

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I can tell at sight a Mauser rifle from a javelin.

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You must be the R-slur of Kiev, with 6 million confirmed kills

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> not knowing what progress has been made in modern gunnery

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Ah but what do you know about The Frogs of Aristophanes?

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Go ye heroes, go to glory

Though you die in combat gory :marseyhead:

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Shame, lot of hot traps from Ukraine

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Post em

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katerina from kiev

Vicats

Sasha Shatalova

Spicy_Meow

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No post pics I'm lazy

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I’m a betting man. I think China will do Taiwan in the coming months. I also can’t bet I don’t think on this website.

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They won't. Too much hit back. Only way that happens if new formed unity of the west with this event immediately crumbers right after.

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I thought the same about the Russian incursion into the Ukraine. Then I really thought about it…. what better time is there? The West is likely as weak as it will be.

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lol, look at the hope

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What am I hopeful for?

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That this is the lowest it's gonna get.

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I mean you can continue to think I’m dumb or you can say something

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Why would those two things be mutually exclusive? I DID say something, you didn't even understand what I was saying.

"Look at the inherent optimism this fool displays, saying that this is likely the lowest the West is going to sink. No, it will likely sink much lower." - that is all.

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β€œdidn’t understand what I was saying”

You might want to change your argument friend.

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The West is actually more united than it's been in years

However that could mean China will invade before the West unites even more

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Interesting point.

I would agree. But I would also disagree.

Internally, I think the west is more divided than ever.

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Pretty much, America broadcasts how divided it is for the rest of the world as entertainment. And America is really the only West that matters militarily.

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But even at their weakest they aren't weak enough to lose it seems.

Beyond that unlike Russia China is genuinely dependent on National prosperity to guarantee long term power and support internally.

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β€œNational Prosperity”

I think this phrase means something entirely different to you and I than it does to Beijing.

I also believe the US government shares my beliefs by ignoring engineering requirements in building chip plants in Arizona.

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??

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China should wait until the 2024 election. Then the American wingcucks will be too busy fighting each other to fight china.

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There's no natural gas under Taiwan though

:#marseybrap:

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Least r-slurred pinkoid.

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China is too big. It can't move that fast. Politically, bureaucratically and mobilizing physically. On top of that the Chinese government is quietly terrified of losing control of its own population. A political snowball rolling down the hill of Chinese demographics could swell into a veritable unstoppable force.

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You can make that same argument about NATO

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Perhaps, but NATO nations can still move and prepare independently. America can choose to remain focused on the Pacific while other nations focus on their own priorities. The Chinese have all their decisions made by one party. It is more cumbersome and unwieldy. The upside is that they have an easier time committing their full weight to war. NATO will always have to engage in internal negotiation of who is willing to commit what, when and where.

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I like you.

Unfortunately I think NATO will not do much without US blessing. Be it public or backdoor.

The Chinese have all their decisions made by one party yes, but does that mean that party will act as the west expects? If I were on the Chinese party council I would be hawkish. Who knows when such opportunities arise again.

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I agree that a Chinese hawk would view this as an opportunity but I think that the logistics of amassing and preparing a multi-wave air-sea-land invasion force involves more than a few months even if you assume political consensus. That's not mentioning the economic buffers they would have to put in place to not crumble domestically during that war effort. And all of that creates opportunity for dissident voices to gain traction and power. China is not ruled by popular consensus. There is no institutionalized pressure relieve valve for public discontent and there are a lot of critical views of government actively being suppressed.

The Chinese government is sitting on the back of a giant dragon hoping it doesn't question their authority. I think they fear it as much as we do.

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I don’t disagree with you. That is always where people get upset.

China needs raw manufacturing capability for everything. They also see Taiwan as a personal test of their power.

I don’t see a future where they don’t invade.

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I'm not an expert but I could see an unlikely but not implausible scenario where China recognizes Taiwan in return for them actively associating as their closest ally and ditching America. I'd put the odds of invasion in the next 15 years as 70-80%. After that the new generations who might feel very different will be rapidly gaining in influence and all bets are off.

That said, NATO deterrence is the only reason it's not 100%. It was almost all America before but thanks to Russia defense budgets in Europe will swell. These will be interesting times.

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I am willing to take the bet on the other side of this.

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I’ll bet you, I don’t know how to goomble here though. I guess all my drama coins they actually start escalating by eoy

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15 to 1 bets on actual currency they take action by eoy

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Would be hilarious if Ukraine wins then Taiwan does the same. Can’t imagine the CCP has moved very far from human wave tactics

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Starlink satellite has been activated in Ukraine so complete loss of internet access shouldn't be a problem.

They still need the receivers set up, so they would have to be delivered through an active war zone. Props if they follow through, though.

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If Nato can continue to supply arms into the region i am sure they still have routes available to continue supplying routers too. Plus some people in the city must have surely purchased routers in the past

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Need the whole dish as well, Starlink internet doesn't use a normal satellite dish you'd have with other service providers.

But yeah, should be possible to deliver. Just somewhat bigger than a simple router.

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Yay

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Now the primary focus seems to be around Donetsk and Luhansk

No, Kyev is the primary focus

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Kyev

Now this is radical centrism

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When kyiv doesnt fall focus shifts

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Russia literally cannot take Kyiv, they can't afford it. Notice this whole invasion is with T-72's and shitty old aircraft with unguided bombs? THEY LITERALLY CAN'T AFFORD ANY REAL EQUIPMENT. Russia was never strong, it was just a paper tiger this whole fricking time... and now they are going to starve.

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How the starving going ?

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Russia hasn't even sent their 30-year old T-90s :marseylaugh:

Edit: looks like they have sent them ... to the afterlife

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Russia was never strong, it was just a paper tiger this whole fricking time

I've always believed that tbh, in fact they're even weaker than I reckoned

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Theyve been a genuine third world shithole since the fall of the soviet union, they’re riding off the coat tails of a dead regime lol

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This is what surprises me most tbh. Though they may also not be rolling out the big guns since this is an invasion, not war, and they seem to be minimizing civilian casualties.

If it was war why not just fricking Blitzkrieg over Kyiv?

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Exactly what happened with Iraq - suddenly countries like China, Russia and Iran got bolder because they realised "holy shit, Americans can't even control Afghanistan or Iraq?!" - it seems so much money is literally being poured into the "gorillion dollar potty seats and screwdrivers and announcing new planes that will have cooler flame decals and flashing LEDs"...but there may not be any truly overwhelming militaries around...

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Lol wtf are you r-slurred? What about the Gulf war made you think "durrr amerikkka weak" r-slur?

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I assume you legitimately think I was referring to 1991 Gulf War, not the 2003 invasion of Iraq - as your criticism may make sense there.

If you knew I was referring to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, you're r-slurred.

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Haven't Luhank and Donetsk been under effective pro-Russian control for five years or did I misunderstand something five years ago? Kharkiv didn't "fall" five years ago, but I thought the other two were federalised.

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I believe some rebel held parts of the region were under Russian control but not the entire territory? Along with the fact that they were never recognized by Ukraine as independent nor the rest of the world. They were known to be generally pro russian from what i remember too.

I would request you to not take my word for it for my knowledge of this part is shaky as well

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The areas that Putin declared independent and targets for "peacekeeping" included cities and towns that were indisputably in Ukrainian hands. That's when people realized conflict was inevitable and this wasn't just posturing.

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Last I have heard they have taken the eastern and western suburbs of the city. It looks like Kiev will be encircled which will be a massive humanitarian crisis.

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Chechnya 2.0?

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Funny that you mention that since Reddit tards completely forgot that Chechenya happened. If Russia managed to pacify the Chechens fo they really think they cant handle Ukraine?

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It only took them two wars and the payment of large amounts of danegeld.

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Not like anything is stopping them from doing it again lol.

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The fact that Russian economy and military acumen appears to be far worse off since then?

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The Russian millitary and economy wad in a way worse state during the chechen wars.

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Honestly, got no clue. But counterpoint, so were their rivals.

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Ukraine actively recruiting an International Legion!

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