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Women (male) complain that accepting people still notice the (male) part

https://old.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/utcx2s/unfortunately_i_had_to_cut_off_friends_who_knew?sort=controversial

I am a trans woman. I know who I am, what I am, and what I am not. I do not harbor any delusion.

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However, cis people can only see you as either a woman or a man, and once they know you are a trans woman, they can't unsee the guy in you. I wrote a post about cis people lying about clocking you and making up the stupidest shit as to why they clocked you.

the post in question: Woman said she could tell I was trans because of my hands, but she NEVER saw my hands!

Years ago, I was stupid and naïve and thought that my best friendships would be with people who knew about my transition and accepted me and loved me for who I am.

being accepting isn't good enough, chud

No matter how loud they proclaim to see you as nothing but a woman, at the first sign of disagreement, they will remind you that you are a man or female impersonator. I have witnessed innumerable types of microaggresions, almost imperceptible types of disrespect that all add up cumulatively.

One lady who swore up and down that she saw me as a woman, expected me to pay the bill every time we went out to eat, to carry heavy stuff.

Or some people would expect me to work for free because I am trans (they would call me asking favors that would mean hours and hours and hours of free work).

can't be other reasons for those, must be because of being trans

Another friend who saw me as a woman would blame my transition and my XY chromosomes any time I disliked a movie that she loved, or vice versa.

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I had to become a b-word as a survival mechanism. Now, my bar is set very high and I cut people off at the first sign of gender invalidation.

sounds lovely to be around

I’ve solved this problem, I have no friends! Weeeeee!!!

I have cats. They love me unconditionally and don't care about my gender. I am their mom.

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I guess that's made it easier for me. Being neurodivergent I don't have a lot of people that stay close. My egg cracked and I basically came out to everyone I know within six months. I won't meet anyone new as my dying name.

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I love seeing how gender expectations which in a cis/het context would already constitute sexism can bleed into transphobia. Trans people know all sorts of intersectional bigotry, from misogynistic transphobia to homophobia and man-hating transphobia.

trans people don't enforce gender expectations in any way

Yes this is true unfortunately. Among all the grand benevolent validating gestures from supposed allies, it's the seemingly small behaviours that give away their real perceptions they have of you.

frick those chuds trying to be supportive but sometimes slipping up

Well I'm only 20 and after highschool I either fell out or lost contact with my friends, and after that all my friends have coincidentally been LGBTQIA+ so I haven't had to cut anyone else out besides some transphobic family members so I'd count myself pretty lucky!

so lucky getting into a comfy echochamber

Omg this post💜💜💜💜💜 specially the part when they already can and have seen the girl/woman but as soon you do something to piss anyone off, you're a man.


Omg so true as I’m reading this, a very close friend who says she only sees me as myself a woman just say I need help with bills, or every time we go out or clubbing always gets my card, lol actually she just hold onto for the night. I’m like why don’t you get one of your cis GF card instead of mine every time.

Yeah I wouldn’t do that.

It’s so hard to break old habits instilled into are brains over a life time. Most times I don’t even think about it til after the fact.

evil "friend" only doing that because she's a chud and not because it's what you've been doing for years

My friend group back home has a bunch of trans and queer people in it, but I still feel uncomfortable around most of them because they know and they treat me differently because of it.

My other queer friends are also wonderful, but they treat me as a queer woman. And I guess that’s fine, I suppose I’m queer regardless of the fact that I’m trans, but it also gets to me.

I only realised I felt this way after my work colleagues treated me with kindness and respect. They had some of the typical “what’s your deadname” cis idiocy, but nothing malicious.

lol the other trains trying to remind you of how hecking valid you are reminding you that you're different more than the normies trying to be polite

I consulted a plastic surgeon in Beverly Hills over some facial fillers. This happened in 2018. I got a bit emotional during the consultation and teared up while recounting what I had been through. The surgeon instantly became patronizing an when he was walking me out of the door, he told me, in front of other patients and in front of his stuff, "You are more feminine than real women." He made sure everyone in the waiting room heard it. Can you believe it?

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you can't expect me not to take advantage of double coin with a low effort trainpost

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I do not expect people to forget that I am trans

oh don't worry sweaty how could we ever forget when it's the only thing you talk about

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They fricking know. These are :!marseytrain: chasers and my slag of a gay friend has identical stories of married men behaving exactly the same with him.

Where's the ordinary guys babes? Why's it only desperate married men treating you as their dirty little secret?

:!marseytrain: chasers.

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Do not listen to cis women. They have no idea of what being trans entails and they see you as unfair competition

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Hunny, real women don't see you as competition. Trust me. Despite what some off the look-how-woke-I-am say, they do not really believe it when they say, "Wow, you look so much better than cis women!" If you were actually a woman, you would know this is something some women do. Sometimes it's to placate you, sometimes it's to mock you to your face.

No one is jealous that you are pulling coom-brained :marseytrain: chasers :marseynails:

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It's like they've never seen Mean Girls lol

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:!marseytrain:s and understanding social nuance: name a less iconic duo

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Guys come to me.

That's a lie.

DO NOT DISCLOSE

That's how you end up dead drowned in a potty because you lied to the guy.

And these are married men with kids.

Another lie.

Why do they keep having to lie...I mean "not disclose" the truth?

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Idk, I believe that some of these chasers are that depraved. You could find the ugliest :marseytrain: and post their pics on reddit and get an inbox full of disgusting thirsty moids

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inbox full of disgusting thirsty moids

But just like on Grindr lots of messages don't result in lots of action.

The rate of engagement is 0.5% if that.

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Post nut clarity? They probably have a wank and then realize they almost made a huge mistake. The 0.5% are just true degens.

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Unfortunately the neogussy smell gives it away :marseysniff:

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Nothing is more gender confirming than when vultures pick at the carrion between my legs!

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Imagine placing this amount of your self worth in how other people see you.

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Without external validation all they have is their own self-doubt constantly eating them up inside, which is why "affirmation" is all the rage now.

Their identity has to be "affirmed" from the outside for them to feel good about themselves.

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Without external validation all they have is their own self-doubt constantly eating them up inside, which is why "affirmation" is all the rage now.

Sounds perfectly sane.

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tbf plenty of cis women are like this as well so maybe trans women really are women

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Yeah but there is no amount of affirmation that will ever do the trick since they can just look in their mirror or in their pants and have the illusion shattered. Also probably why they push it on the kids too, need to see themselves reflected everywhere unquestionably.

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If you can't convince yourself just convince everyone else instead because it can't be a lie if everyone believes it. It's like hypnotizing yourself through a proxy and the proxy is the entire world.

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He may be a lib, but he nooticed things once.

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Gyms are super popular though.

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The only validation that matters is self validation. They have to learn to accept themselves because the :chudsey: never will. And who really cares about some failed school shooter's opinion?

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Where's that article where some genderqueers were complaining that the lockdown made them feel invalidated because no one acknowledged just how brave and valid they were?

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I've been trying to find it, but I baleeted my history.

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Any Buddhist would tell you the need for external validation is ego, and that it never ends well.

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The constant need for validation leads to self-destruction. Look at social media addicts and Instagram foids, they all fall apart within a moment of not getting attention or validated. Trains expect that everyone else validate them 24/7. It only ends in disaster. It also creates narcissism and self-absorption.

The true chads of human society are the ones that don't need attention and don't attach everything to external validation and ego-reinforcement.

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Maybe they are real women after all

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One lady who swore up and down that she saw me as a woman, expected me to pay the bill every time we went out to eat,

I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT TO SAY LMAO

https://old.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/uo73p3/woman_said_she_could_tell_i_was_trans_because_of/?depth=9&sort=controversial

This post is :marseychefkiss::marseychefkiss:

I cannot stress this enough: be careful to what cis people tell you. They will lead you astray. A lot of cis people take a sadistic pleasure in invalidating your identity and telling you they can tell you are trans. They will rub salt in your wounds, act friendly and supportive, while pretending they knew all along even when they didn't. I know some cis people take the opposite approach with obvious hons pretending they didn't know. However, if you pass reasonably well and are somewhat attractive, there is no greater pleasure to them than enumerating imaginary flaws. This topic is particularly useful for younger transitioners who are naïve and eager to please.

Case #1 (very recent): I have been taking some boxing classes recently as part of a project to empower women and teach them self-defense. This woman in her thirties has literally seen me twice, always with boxing gloves on. She asked for my phone number and I clearly remember giving her the digits while still wearing my boxing gloves (after the class) and her entering my number in her Android. We made plans to hang out outside of the gym (I am exclusively attracted to men), and I came out to her via text message. To make a long story short, she completely changed, she became distant and cold, and said she knew all along I was trans because of my hands. Again: She has never ever ever seen me without boxing gloves. She says she feels uncomfortable having a man in a class designed for women.

Case #2: I dated a guy twice. He was smitten. On the third date, I told him I was trans before things got more serious, and he said he knew all along because of my Adam's Apple. I have zero Adam's Apple. Not even the slightest hint of Adam's Apple. Not even at my thinnest and with the head tilted back you can see any Adam's Apple. So, why would he date me twice if he knew all along and then ghost me when I come out?

Case #3: This happened over 11 years ago when I was younger and thinner. I was in Seattle and it was snowing. I went to a Starbucks coffee and I was in line waiting for my turn. A guy in his late 20s gets up from his table, walks towards the door to exit, but lingers on a few seconds and stares at me. He makes me uncomfortable. He then smiles and says I am beautiful. We chit-chat briefly and he asks for my phone number. I tell him my phone number, he enters it into his phone, and he leaves. I get my Latte and he texts me saying I am beautiful and asking me if I like Sushi because he wants to take me out. I tell him I am trans and he says, "yeah, I can tell. It's obvious. Your hands... your hands are very manly." What the frick! I had worn my snow mittens the entire time and only took them out to get my Latte and to pay and this was several minutes after he had left. So, there was not a chance he saw my fricking hands. So, I ask him if he is cool with that and he says, "no, I only like real women." I probe him, "why did you compliment me? Why did you want my phone number if you knew all along? Why did you want to take me to eat sushi?" He replied he was just being nice.

The trains entire history is worth a read, hilarious

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The trains entire history is worth a read, hilarious

He is like beardfinn-lite with the way he writes and presents his "cases" as evidence. I like how he made up two different hand stories that basically followed the same beats and just swapped out characters and scenarios. Possibly him in real life (before transition to heckin' valid, of course)

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Those have gotta be some huge hands :marseylaugh:

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Yeah but the boxing gloves and mittens make your big hands look small :marseylaugh:

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God it's just such a good bit, this transwoman whose hands are always covered getting puzzled and angered that she is getting clocked as if it's the only revealing thing about her. It all just sounds like these transwomen could be having friends and getting laid but they push everyone away who dares open their eyes

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What does this person think is happening? They can't actually tell?

Newsflash buddy: if they know, they arent making it up, because nobody ever thinks that of straggots.

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Yup. Cis people will deadass make impossible things up rather than accept the fact that they can't Always Tell.

Another user, so yeah they are convinced people can't tell.

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Idk whole thing reminds of the lawyer with small hands bits from. It's always sunny.

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:marseyconfused::marseyconfused:Their very first sentence

I am a trans woman. I know who I am, what I am, and what I am not. I do not harbor any delusion.

Immediately followed by

I think of myself as a variant of being a woman

You can't make this shit up, it's too good

:#marseyxd:

I have witnessed innumerable types of microaggresions

Everyone who unironically uses the term "microaggressions" (and can't even spell it properly) needs to be sterilized. Fortunately, the cute and valid seem to actually agree to that.

I had to become a b-word as a survival mechanism.

I don't even have anything witty to say about this. Just :marseyeyeroll:

Now, my bar is set very high and I cut people off at the first sign of gender invalidation

He's doing everyone around him a huge favor, so probs for that

One lady who swore up and down that she saw me as a woman, expected me to pay the bill every time we went out to eat, to carry heavy stuff

Lol, it's funny how they try their absolute hardest to enforce the gender stereotypes they so vehemently swear to fight against

Or some people would expect me to work for free because I am trans (they would call me asking favors that would mean hours and hours and hours of free work).

Literally what? :marseyconfused:

I do not expect people to forget that I am trans, but for Christ's sake, treat me as a person and not as a character

Well maybe if you develop any kind of personality beyond being cute and valid that's gonna happen

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I had worn my snow mittens the entire time and only took them out to get my Latte and to pay

So you didn't wear snow mittens the entire time?

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One lady who swore up and down that she saw me as a woman, expected me to ... carry heavy stuff.

"Hey! You! The woman with the big hands and broad shoulders and massive armspan! Help me carry this 65" TV!

Oohhhh the transphobia! :marseysulk:

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We know she's a real woman when she gets offended by the idea of doing work

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I've met women (russian) here who I would absolutely ask to help me move lmao. Sorry bud, you just look the part, woman or not.

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microaggresions

It feels like It's been years since I've seen that word. I figured it had fallen out of favour with these types as they upped the rhetoric to 'any sort of disagreement is now hate speech'. :marseynotes:

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It's literal violence.

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almost imperceptible types of disrespect that all add up cumulatively.

It's so subtle as if it wasn't even there.

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No you dont understand, the order those commercials came on proves the CIA is using them to control my mind

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Well, just like how :marseytrain:s dress in clothes that are at least a decade out of style, they pick outdated wording from the garbage, too.

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I had to become a b-word as a survival mechanism

Huh. Guess you really are a foid

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When I had FFS, the surgeon's assistant quoted me one price, then she raised the fee by 8k once I was there the day before surgery. She made up a bunch of excuses blaming miscommunications. I found out later they do that on purpose since you can't withdraw as you have already booked your flight, hotel, taken time off from work. I got very upset and she told me I had had a typical male reaction. Go figure. This was an office whose practice was made of at least 96% of trans women

lmfaooo based butcher surgeons grifting their :marseytrain2: patients

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The reason people who transition are disproportionately neurodivergent is they take people who say "trans women are women" at face value. They think it means they can become 100% pure woman, not that it's tantamount to "Sure, I'll humor you by saying it, even though you'll always be a trans-woman as opposed to woman."

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Well I'm only 20 and after highschool I either fell out or lost contact with my friends, and after that all my friends have coincidentally been LGBTQIA+ so I haven't had to cut anyone else out besides some transphobic family members so I'd count myself pretty lucky!

alienate your friends and family by blowing everything out of proportion and being generally insufferable

"coincidentally" surround yourself with superficially supportive internet friends :marseygroomer:

???

profit :trolldespair:

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Theyre simultaneous, not consecutive.

I had a couple friends come out as gay and nobody in my friend group gave a shit. But they "distanced themselves" when they started bringing their new mentally ill friends around and they didnt immediately fit in.

And not mentally ill because they were LGBT, but actually mentally ill AND lgbt and would actually start screaming and throwing stuff on mic when they died in video games.

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Yes this is true unfortunately. Among all the grand benevolent validating gestures from supposed allies, it's the seemingly small behaviours that give away their real perceptions they have of you.

kek :marseytrain2:s seething because they can't change people's minds. they want to control what everyone thinks of them but they will never be able to, everyone including their hecking allies will always see them as the freaks they are

:#marseywholesome:

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Im betelguese winonia ryder was depressed and suicidal because her stepmom was a b-word. This allowed her to see ghosts for some stupid reason. This reasoning is far more solid than anyone trying to explain why neurodivergence matters.

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Heathers also predicted the media encouraging teen suicides

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And also had Winona ryder

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She was also on alien resurrection a movie series about men giving birth.

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:bardfinn: Time to turn up the toxic positivity to 11 otherwise my entire life is in jeopardy

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🚨Bard bot (near miss) alert!🚨

I'll let it slide this time, but I'm watching you...

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I consulted a plastic surgeon in Beverly Hills over some facial fillers. This happened in 2018. I got a bit emotional during the consultation and teared up while recounting what I had been through. The surgeon instantly became patronizing an when he was walking me out of the door, he told me, in front of other patients and in front of his stuff, "You are more feminine than real women." He made sure everyone in the waiting room heard it. Can you believe it?

TRANSMISIC ACTORS BTFO

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Omg so true as I’m reading this, a very close friend who says she only sees me as myself a woman just say I need help with bills, or every time we go out or clubbing always gets my card, lol actually she just hold onto for the night. I’m like why don’t you get one of your cis GF card instead of mine every time.

I don't even know what this means.


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It means he wants to frick this girl. She used him as an ATM when he was a man (he still is, but he used to be, too :marseysmug2:) because he is a simp. So, despondent, he thinks, "Well, if she doesn't like me as a man, surely she'll like me as a woman!" He transitions, but his simp status doesn't change. He will never get a crumb and he will never stop trying until he goes broke and she finds some other sucker to sponge off of.

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Wait, so like they go to a club and she just yoinks his credit card? Bros, if you're an uggo and need to rely on beta bux to get some you must always hold the card, they need to come to you for beta bux. Giving the card up is the last thing you should do. Why this b-word don't have her own card?


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Why this b-word don't have her own card?

Why buy milk when you have a cow to do it for you?

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Op made the right choice to transition but she should be slobbering over peepee and avoid the foid.


:#marseytwerking:

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I think they are admitting to having a weird dynamic where they are paying this chick to be "her" friend and be allowed to go out with her.

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You couldn't pay me to platonicly accompany foids.


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Translating into above a 3rd grade writing level, they're mad that they've been correctly pinned as a paypig simp by their friend, lol.

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Women (female) exploiting orbiters

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you can't expect me not to take advantage of double coin with a low effort trainpost

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I have witnessed innumerable types of microaggresions, almost imperceptible types of disrespect that all add up cumulatively.

Maybe you just want to see it.

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It's extremely sad we still live in a society where people have not rewired their brains to make sure they don't perceive humans by their basic senses and patterns. What your eyes, ears or nose tell you is irrelevant, what other people say should be the only thing affecting your perception.

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Snappy?

Snapshots:

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They always think it’s solely because they’re trans. Back when I was still active-GOP I started a friendship and then “like-liked” with a woman in Colombia (she looks exactly like 1990’s Sean young); she had remarked that despite the “issues” she was so thankful that she waited until later in life because she was able to be a parent and wait until after divorcing and his daughter was older. Total opposite of “I left my7 children to age-play as a little girl).

She had published in Nature. Never gets hostile or aggressive, and was doing this in Colombia (infinite hard-mode). I’m not woke and prob 95% straggot but I was both sexually and emotionally attracted (not the stereotype).

What do :#marseytrain: think is going to happen when they cocoon with redditors. they would never tell you if you’re fricking up and that’s if the the thread isn’t ‘yalled.

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its funny because if you're truly a woman you shouldn't care about what other people say you are, since you clearly know what "being a woman" feels like

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I think internal agony posts are my favourite

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