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https://www.amazon.com/Flordis-Remotiv-Stress-Relief-Tablets/dp/B00AR6SAKO but it really does have to be this specific stupid expensive brand, I know it sucks. Give it at least a week to see results.

Also probiotics, bad gut bacteria is serotonergic

Also find the research saying dextroamphetamine is a cure and cop some Adderall from your doctor :marseymerchantsoy: it doesn't actually do anything but there's enough research saying it might to convince some psychs

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Do probiotics have any evidence of positively effecting the gut microbiome? I know kombucha has literally 0 evidence of positive effects, yet its sold fricking everywhere.

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Neighbor get some actual lactobacillus not hippy dippy mayofoid tea. We're specifically trying to treat SIBO. I like nature's bounty probio 10

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Im not r-slurred. I don’t drink kombucha, it doesn’t even taste good. Are there any studies about ingesting lactobacillus positively affecting the microbiome though? I feel like mfers need to stop drinking 4 days a week and that’d help more.

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Just start fermenting some veggies. Some fermented cabbage is awesome on sandwiches and is full of lactobacillus.

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I already make spicy kimchi with carrots, daikon, and green onions.

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Then you good. That has more lactobacillus than any supplement you're going to take.

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What’s your address, let me ship you some kimchi!

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Can we just have your recipe?

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Darn, I've never been so tempted before. Is this how grooming starts?

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There isn’t any evidence that simply consuming live bacteria is enough to have it effect on gut flora. I looked into this a while ago because I loved drinking Yakult and wanted to know if it was actually good for me or just sugar water. I still drink it but as a treat and not a every day thing now.

The issue is just a matter of the stomach being good at it’s job (killing everything with acid) and the total amount of bacteria consumed being negligible compared to the amount of bacteria that already lives in you.

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You gotta boof it. So says the science

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Fecal transplants niqqa

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shooting streams of yakult from your butthole after an enema sounds way hotter tho

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Yes this was my point. Also yakult is great.

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Yakult is sweeter than coke

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There are tons of drugs that have enteric coatings, though I don't know if I've seen any probiotics that do.

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As someone with GI issues that stuff like Yakult and other probiotics have never helped me. Doesn't mean they don't work, could just be that my GI problems aren't necessarily a gut flora issue

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If it were that easy to directly effect gut flora we wouldn't need fecal transplants. Going through the back alley makes more sense than braving the pit of acid. Yogurt is still yummy and nutritious though

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As someone with some extra serious GI issues involving diarrhea+ visible bleeding they actually help a lot but it's a "when you're already fricked" or "starting to feel it's gonna get bad" kinda thing, not for when you're healthy

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loved drinking Yakult

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Counterpoint, lactobacillus cultures have been shown to grow testicles in mice and anecdotally work in humans too. Happy balls = happy life

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0084877

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It's been shown to be as effective as antibiotics for curing SIBO

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Does it cure SUGMA?

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:#marseydisintegrate:

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Ginger kobucha is great when you are hungover or sick, that’s all I got

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You have to shove it up your butt

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I don't know what to believe anymore. Apparently a lot of vitamins in pill form aren't even metabolized by your body properly and may be a waste. Not all of them but some of them

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Yup this is true, not every form of a molecule is bioavailable.

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In general I take vitamins more as a way to help supplement anything youighy have missed from your food so you don't develop a deficiency than as any boost to health. It's useful for example when your stomach is fricked and you can only handle some crackers

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I put enough Adderall up my nose during college to last me the rest of my life, im good on that one

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Do try the extract though, it's very effective. Standard US brands don't do shit because herbal supplements in America are a meme, and this one is a very unique cultivar that's been studied more than most normal pharmaceuticals

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You don’t need to drop that much. Most people are kitties and don’t understand that herbs are extremely weak and diluted because they’ve been spoiled from super prescription strength pharma concentrated drugs. I didn’t realize this until I started kratommaxxing and taking the weak powder capsules by the fist-full. Herbs don’t do shit unless you eat 10 times the normal dose, no fricking shit it’s incomparable to perfect laboratory grade potency drugs. I’ve had this discussion multiple times with my family, yes the herbs are a total fricking scam: therefore if you eat half the entire bottle simultaneously, you might get a slight tingle of effect.

You need to take super concentrated herbs? Lol what an r-slur, just take 15 normal caps from the pharmacy where they’re 75% off + bogo because only you and five other insane people plus one desperate person with cancer are the entire customer base.

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It's a specific cultivar, not just a stronger concentrate. I could longpost about the specific chemistry but blah blah low levels of the ickier chemical hyperforin, high levels of the good chemical hypericin. Unlike literally any other brand you can find on Earth. Disregarding that American herbs are literally 100% unregulated, which is way too sketchy for me. I'm out here trying to FIX problems bad chemicals caused, not give people more.

There's more to this than just smashing back some ground up flowerbuds, I mean this stuff would probably grow in my lawn if it wasn't mowed, it grows everywhere and is toxic to livestock so it's actually illegal to not kill it on sight in many places. But it would either not do nothing or cause serious issues depending on how much you take.

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Just take a different herb which counteracts the one you don’t want, isolating it sounds do like a huge pain in the butt when it’d be easier to just negate it. Or just have a better liver and have good genes :marseywholesome:. You don’t need to be a little b-word, some negative side effects are normal, and in kitty herbs like SJ’sW it’s literally nothing.

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I don't think there is anything that counteracts this specific chemical that's only known to occur in a single species of plant and which we actually have no idea how it does what it does, but I like where your head is :marseyyes:

Ironically the biggest problem is that it actually makes your liver too powerful for other medications to work

You don’t need to be a little b-word, some negative side effects are normal, and in kitty herbs like SJ’sW it’s literally nothing.

If someone takes typical SJW with other serotonergic drugs it can literally kill them (and I'd still be very careful taking this "safer" version with one too), it's very systemically impactful. You might not be getting a high but it's arguably the most bioactive plant on the planet.

All that aside this is simply more effective since it's more dopaminergic than other cultivars, which helps solve the original problem

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Why would you take SJW while on serotonergic drugs, that’s just asking to frick your system up for a long time, like taking Uridine Monophosphate and dopaminergic drugs like adderall simultaneously will slow down your tolerance building but make it take way longer to recover.

Also, the most bio active plant psychiatrically is probably ayahuasca.

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It helps treat the biggest side effect of SSRIs, I can't imagine it's that uncommon that people try the combination even if it is stupid :marseyshrug:

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since when did people start snorting adderall? I remember my mandated college drug awareness course saying that injecting adderall was β€œpopular”, Never seen anyone do it tho.

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People have been snorting it for a long time but that’s a waste it’s best just eaten in large quantities

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When i was on the extended releases i found the best was to pour some crystals in my mouth and chew

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The quick releases are similar enough to other snortables that pillheads were doing that shit on instinct like immediately lol.

Got my first prescription and the first thing my cokeheaded friend says is β€œbro i bet these are stronger if we snort them”

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:marseyfacepalm: what a dumbass, you’re supposed to take it sublingually by letting it dissolve for 10 minutes then swallow the fluid when your mouth starts going too numb.

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Whoaaaa

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st johns wort

This neighbor doing alchemy in Elder Scrolls Oblivion and called it science

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Upregulates 5ht1a postsynaptic receptors & :alpha:1 receptors & striatal dopamine

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Yup, commonly taken after abusing MDA/MDMA

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That fricking shit negatively interacts with everything

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Aside from serotonin syndrome (which won't happen if you're not on another serotonergic drug or just take way too darn much) its problem is that it makes you metabolize other drugs so fricking fast they stop working. Off the top of my head I know it turns birth control pills into a placebo, and cyclosporine. It's also recommended to stop taking it for a week or two if you know you're going under anesthesia though I've not found much evidence to really back up that contraindication. Not that it would kill you, just jack up the required dose of anesthetic.

Which is to say you need to be thorough in your own research and careful about taking random bioactive pills without checking for interactions. Being an herb doesn't mean it's safe for the same reason that doesn't mean it's ineffective, though the reason I recommend this very specific ludicrously-priced brand is that it's seemingly the only one on the fricking planet that's standardized to a low hyperforin content, which is the chemical that causes most of the bad interactions. Thankfully the side-effects in isolation are almost literally nothing.

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These things are even more of a meme than SSRIs

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I'm not about to explain a multiaxial etiology on my phone, but cope. Definitely a meme that something proven to upregulate 5ht1a postsynaptic receptors might improve SSRI side effects

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:#marseytinfoil2:

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Can you tell me what a 5ht1a postsynaptic receptor does? I don't care if anybody believe it, I'm just tryna help point other people suffering like I used to in the direction of what helped, and there's very solid neuroscience behind it :marseyshrug:

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:#marseytinfoil:

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Then why not just link to a single peer-reviewed study that even remotely supports your schizopothesis.

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here I can link you to hundreds! https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C1&q=st+john%27s+wort+5ht1a+upregulation&btnG=

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166432808007171?casa_token=NjjqvkM14zMAAAAA:apDyW4uVX5JWeIWQU1-zIY804xvnpScyyvOUVe70NQsHDM-c9tZBVWVA-e767AYJuQGlXofF

https://www.nature.com/articles/4000557.pdf?origin=ppub

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/026988110101500109?casa_token=uSmksWjPfzoAAAAA%3AVT_hIYEXqdfZhwKSOrr6E1r1mSx-kPO35dpJyNmx8MhNFLBewMq2lhXlP_HGAn49_8YZifkiwHY&

Here's one about the specific cultivar I recommended! https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11518078/

And testimonies from thousands of other people https://www.google.com/search?q=st+john%27s+wort+pssd&oq=st+john%27s+wort+pssd

Isn't it neat that you can find that stuff in like 5 seconds? What a time to be alive! It's been extensively studied for decades and used for this exact purpose by tens of thousands of men. Now quit being a lazy brainlet and don't make me do this emotional labor for you again.

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Based educatedcel

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I mean I get the reaction, 99.99999% of herbal "medicine" is snake oil and I was extremely skeptical too. I didn't even really believe it either for weeks after it started to actually work :marseyshrug:

Which is specifically why I recommend this brand that costs ten times what you could grab at CVS, because those are just whatever the frick happened to be growing whilst this is studied produced and regulated as an actual medicine

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Thanks for doing all the work for me nerd. I was kinda interested.

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7 =/= 100

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The first link has 420 papers (dude weed lmao)

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Trust the indigenous science bigot

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>the indigenous science bigot

"Listen up, you White peepeesucker, many moons of research and peer reviewed studies prove that smoking my ancestors testicles will heal the forest."

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can i have a happy life without pumping myself full of non essential pharmaceuticals?

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You specifically? No.

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:#marseyicecream:

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:#marseyprotestno:

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St John's Wort always makes me think of this funny erowid submission about a lawyer who shits himself on it

I had visited a client for a meeting. After the meeting, while getting into my car in the parking lot, I noticed an urge to use the bathroom (a biggie coming up…). At first I considered driving back to the office and dumping my load there. Luckily I did not go with this thought and followed my instincts back into the office building which I had just left.

The following feelings and automatic responses must be known to every man alive. As I got nearer to a perceived bathroom, where I did not have any urge a minute ago, the word β€˜urge’ was quickly becoming an understatement. Upon re-entering the lobby, I felt like I was holding the full contents of a piggybank between my buttocks. Exercising extreme mind-control over my reflexes, I ducked into the bathroom for invalids, located right next to the entrance (thank God!). Being in the state I was in and not thinking straight, I slammed the door shut and locked it. Only then I noticed that the lights were off, which made me have to scramble around for the light button. Had this not been necessary, I would have made it to the potty-bowl.

Now I made the fatal mistake of finding a cord and, thinking it to be a light switch, pulling it. Frick me though: the cord triggered the alarm (bathroom for invalids, remember) and a nasty sequence of events. Sirens mooing away, I managed to find the light-switch. This was the last conscious effort made by me before the shit started squirting out and the only thing left for me to do was to pull my pants down right where I was standing. This desperate attempt did mitigate the damage, but did not get me out of the embarrassment of having to deal with alarmed security guards banging away at the door and returning every two minutes to enquire whether I was really OK. I managed to reassure them every time, while flushing out my business suit with water and cleaning the mess from the floor. Finally I emerged, sweating profusely, uttering something about β€˜not feeling too well’ and getting the heck out at the same time. In the car, I covered the seat with paper, drove home and instructed my secretary to cancel all further appointments for the day.

In retrospect, I could have avoided this mess (no pun intended). I had noticed the upsetting effect of hypericum on the stomach before. This effect is also clearly advertised as a side effect in the flyer which accompanies every bottle. But hey, doesn’t an attorney have a right to its moments on the edge? And as a final note: the situation could have been a lot worse since I had just left a meeting with our most important and biggest spending client who will never know what transpired in his invalid bathroom.

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You're making it sound way too complicated. He just has to balance his chakra.

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did any of you research turn up anything on haloperidol? I'm on a very low dose and just hoping I don't get the serve reactions.

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Never heard of it, nope. But if there's a serious risk of reactions I'd look into safer alternatives first. If you're not on anything serotonergic anymore I think that link is the best first-line suggestion.

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good to know thanks :marseythumbsup:

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Just look into interactions with anything else you take, since it boosts metabolism of some drugs to the point that they become ineffective.

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I was on a shit ton of meds before (meds for med's side effects...) and now I'm just on this low dose of haldol / haloperidol with OTC stuff.

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if there's a serious risk of reactions

more a risk of non-reactions... look up the word

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bullshit

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there were thousands of studies on priming and chinese traditional medcine and ayurveda and ESP. tens of thousands on how fat causese heart disease. science is hard. a lot of science is wrong.

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Definitely, but bottom-level neuroscience (what drugs have what effects on what transmitters/receptors) is a rock solid science. I don't trust a dozen studies saying what it can treat, but a hundred studies saying it impacts a specific receptor is effectively gospel, and more than anything it worked for me like night-and-day after a dozen other things had zero effect

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profoundly confused. low level neuroscience has a lot of hard science, but we have no idea what any of those 'specific receeptor effects' mean in relation to more complex / larger scale relations. We know that SSRIs do all sorts of things at all sorts of receptosr, and same for all the other drugs, but have a bunch of very bad gusses for why that causes any observable dfferences in experience

more importantly, all depressed people are so because their position in and relation to modern society is based on a large stack of deceptons and fake images. they should be depressedand * should* want out, and trying to chemically fix that is just forcing yourself to forget what you've lost

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this isn't about depression, this is about how we know that pumping up 5ht1a receptors makes rats c*m instantly, discrete physiological effects rather than convoluted psychological mumbo jumbo :marseyshrug:

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