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Ruralchad who flipped off Comcast and built his own ISP gets $2.6 million from the government to expand fiber ISP in rural Michigan :!marseycountry:

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Jared Mauch, the Michigan man who built a fiber-to-the-home Internet provider because he couldn't get good broadband service from AT&T or Comcast, is expanding with the help of $2.6 million in government money.

When we wrote about Mauch in January 2021, he was providing service to about 30 rural homes including his own with his ISP, Washtenaw Fiber Properties LLC. Mauch now has about 70 customers and will extend his network to nearly 600 more properties with money from the American Rescue Plan's Coronavirus State and Local Fiscal Recovery Funds, he told Ars in a phone interview in mid-July.

The US government allocated Washtenaw County $71 million for a variety of infrastructure projects, and the county devoted a portion to broadband. The county conducted a broadband study before the pandemic to identify unserved locations, Mauch said. When the federal government money became available, the county issued a request for proposals (RFP) seeking contractors to wire up addresses "that were known to be unserved or underserved based on the existing survey," he said.

"They had this gap-filling RFP, and in my own wild stupidity or brilliance, I'm not sure which yet, I bid on the whole project [in my area] and managed to win through that competitive bidding process," he said. Mauch's ISP is one of four selected by Washtenaw County to wire up different areas.

Mauch's network currently has about 14 miles of fiber, and he'll build another 38 miles to complete the government-funded project, he said. In this sparsely populated rural area, "I have at least two homes where I have to build a half-mile to get to one house," Mauch said, noting that it will cost "over $30,000 for each of those homes to get served."

$55 a month for 100Mbps with unlimited data

The contract between Mauch and the county was signed in May 2022 and requires him to extend his network to an estimated 417 addresses in Freedom, Lima, Lodi, and Scio townships. Mauch lives in Scio, which is next to Ann Arbor.

Although the contract just requires service to those 417 locations, Mauch explained that his new fiber routes would pass 596 potential customers. "I'm building past some addresses that are covered by other [grant] programs, but I'll very likely be the first mover in building in those areas," he said.

Under the contract terms, Mauch will provide 100Mbps symmetrical Internet with unlimited data for $55 a month and 1Gbps with unlimited data for $79 a month. Mauch said his installation fees are typically $199. Unlike many larger ISPs, Mauch provides simple bills that contain a single line item for Internet service and no extra fees.

Mauch also committed to participate in the Federal Communications Commission's Affordable Connectivity Program, which provides subsidies of $30 a month for households that meet income eligibility requirements.

The contract requires all project expenses to be incurred by the end of 2024, and for the project to be completed by the end of 2026. But Mauch aims for a much quicker timeline, telling Ars that his "goal is to build about half of it by the end of this year and the other half by the end of 2023." The exact funding amount is $2,618,958.03.

Comcast wanted $50K, AT&T offers just 1.5Mbps

Operating an ISP isn't Mauch's primary job, as he is still a network architect at Akamai. He started planning to build his own network about five years ago after being unable to get modern service from any of the major ISPs.

As we wrote last year, AT&T only offers DSL with download speeds up to 1.5Mbps at his home. He said Comcast once told him it would charge $50,000 to extend its cable network to his house---and that he would have gone with Comcast if they only wanted $10,000. Comcast demands those up-front fees for line extensions when customers are outside its network area, even if the rest of the neighborhood already has Comcast service.

Mauch was using a 50Mbps fixed wireless service before switching over to his own fiber network. In addition to his home Internet customers, Mauch told us he provides free 250Mbps service to a church that was previously having trouble with its Comcast service. Mauch said he also provides fiber backhaul to a couple of cell towers for a major mobile carrier.

County touts "historic" broadband investment

Mauch has already hooked up some of the homes on the list of required addresses. Washtenaw County issued a press release after the first home was connected in June, touting a "historic broadband infrastructure investment" to "create a path for every household to access high-speed broadband Internet."

The county said it is investing $15 million in broadband projects by combining the federal funds with money from the county's general fund. Between Washtenaw Fiber Properties and the other three ISPs selected by local government officials, "over 3,000 Washtenaw County households will be connected as a result of this investment in the next few years," the press release said.

One of the areas covered by Mauch's funding is around a lake in Freedom Township, where he plans to begin construction on August 22, he said. "Generally speaking, it's a lower income area as well as an area that has been without service for a very long time, aside from cellular or wireless," he said. "The goal is to close the gap on them very quickly."

As for the other three ISPs, the county was reportedly negotiating with cable giants Comcast and Charter, and Midwest Energy and Communications. Those three companies ended up getting the deals with the county, a contractor working on the overall project confirmed to Ars.

Under state law, "Municipalities in Michigan are not simply able to decide to build and operate their own networks, they must first issue an RFP for a private provider to come in and build," the Institute for Local Self-Reliance's Community Broadband Networks Initiative wrote. "Only if the RFP receives less than three viable offers can a municipality move forward with building and owning the network. There are also additional requirements that municipalities have to follow, such as holding public forums and submitting cost-benefit analysis and feasibility studies."

The county's RFP set 25Mbps download and 3Mbps upload speeds as the minimum acceptable tier but stated a strong preference for "at least 100Mbps download speeds, ideally with symmetrical upload speeds, from wireline technology to accommodate present and future bandwidth-hungry applications."

Mauch faces increasing equipment costs

Mauch has made some upgrades to his operation. In our previous story, we described how Mauch was renting an air compressor to blow fiber through his conduits. He recently bought an industrial air compressor at a government liquidation auction, spending under $4,000 for equipment that often costs about $20,000, he said. He had previously spent $8,000 on a directional drill machine that installs cables or conduits under driveways and roads without digging giant holes.

Increasing prices have been a problem. Mauch said he used to buy fiber conduit for 32 cents a foot but that he's paying more than double that now. The handholes that are buried underground at various points throughout Mauch's network used to cost $300 and are now about $700, he said.

While Mauch built the network using his own money, he said one wealthy family last year wrote a nearly six-figure check to fund a network expansion that let "them and all of their neighbors get Internet access."

When we first wrote about Mauch, he was using a contractor to install most of the fiber conduits and installing the actual fiber cable into the conduits himself. He said he's using a few contractors now but he's still doing some fiber-laying work.

One time last year, Mauch was using the rented air compressor to blow out conduits because they accumulate water. On the other end, over a mile away, "people thought it was smoke coming up from the ground and they called the fire department, and the fire department came out on two successive days because there was a water mist in the air," he said. "One day they couldn't figure out where it was coming from. The next day I saw them, and I turned around and I talked to them about it."

"I'm saved in people's cell phones as 'fiber cable guy'"

Mauch said network management has been smooth without any major problems over the past 18 months or so. His network generally uses about 500Mbps of traffic, and he can ramp up to 4Gbps as needed, he said.

Mauch said he has people lined up to handle emergencies "so I can go on vacation," and took a trip to Europe in March. During his Europe trip, there was an outage at one of the power substations in his area while he was away. Some of his customers lost Internet service due to that power outage, but Mauch's network kept running because of the generator at his house.

"There was no power for about 24 hours, so my house ran on generator for 24 hours, and I could see which customers were out of service," he said.

Life has changed a bit for Mauch since he became an Internet provider. "I'm definitely a lot more well-known by all my neighbors... I'm saved in people's cell phones as 'fiber cable guy,'" he said. "The world around me has gotten a lot smaller, I've gotten to know a lot more people."

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/08/man-who-built-isp-instead-of-paying-comcast-50k-expands-to-hundreds-of-homes/

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Oh darn, this dude isn't just some tard with a Cisco certification, this man wrote a whole fricking RFC https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5575.html

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The upset guy, that's his only comment on reddit, hahaha

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I'm betting 50 dc that it's a Comcast puppet account.

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If they can afford US Senators, they can afford reddit comments.

https://www.google.com/search?q=buy+reddit+comments

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redditor has trouble working with other people

wow color me surprised

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He sounds like an neurodivergent savant. I'd buy his internet.

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He's probably just particular because he's neurospicy

He knows his stuff & is a great asset to the company in terms of his knowledge. But god is he an obnoxious character to work with. Throwing fits over small things, being passive aggressive in emails/chat, dropping from meetings in rage over disagreements etc.

:feelsguy: "This is going to cost a lot of money and effort to do properly. See Figure 8.a vs 8.b in the slides."

:soyjakanimeglasses: "That seems like a lot of work and money though. I know! Lets save money by doing [stupid shit], it will work because we want it to work-- and wanting something bad enough makes anything possible, just go with it and things work out-- basically, we can all chill lol. So, who's with me?"

:ragejak: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

:soycry: "WHAT AN OBNOXIOUS PERSON WITH NO KINDNESS OR GOODNESS IN THEIR HEART... I JUST WANT TO HELP EVERYONE WTF???"

I've seen this happen before lol

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Opensourcecels btfo

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Just build your own ISP sweaty! :marseywholesome:

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I will :chadnordic:

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Mauch's network currently has about 14 miles of fiber, and he'll build another 38 miles to complete the government-funded project, he said. In this sparsely populated rural area, "I have at least two homes where I have to build a half-mile to get to one house," Mauch said, noting that it will cost "over $30,000 for each of those homes to get served."

lol, and it takes at least $2.6 million to make it happen. Absolute waste of resources.

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Seems reasonable to me, underground fiber laying seems very expensive

And I love a Chad entrepreneur

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It can get really expensive when the dudes marking the underground infrastructure suck at their job. The were laying fiber in my area last year and they kept hitting water, gas and electrical lines because they were marked wrong

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I worked in construction before. Often the city does a shit job of keeping and updating plans showing where utilities are, so any horizontal work often hits some unforseen line

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I dropped out of EV charger installations because of the pain with underground. Solar farms are fine because there's not much beyond drain tile. Parking lot EV means we hit undocumented/unmarked parking lot lighting and irrigation sprinkler lines CONSTANTLY.

The last one, we started digging only to discover a fricking manhole buried 10" under the dirt. Not to be confused with the other manhole 6 feet away, right where they wanted me to place a charger.

Or the "yeah just trench a conduit to this vault" -- they weren't aware of a 5-foot grade change right next to the vault or the fact there's medium voltage, communications, and natural gas pretty much surrounding the vault.

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Look at that grade change heading away from the vault up to the parking lot. Running 4" pvc and I flew out there so no pipe oven or weedburner or anything, just factory 90s.

Also the concrete vault we ordered had several different knockout styles, all under the same part number. I had to guess where to aim my conduits and I missed.

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Do everyone a favor and throw away those EV stations.

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My neighbor hates all the renewables work I do. He thinks wind/solar/ev is a giant scam.

He's not entirely wrong, but this shit pays better than his cushy union job did so 🤷‍♂️

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Don't you love it when you discover random shit that was abandoned in place and never marked on any drawings hah! :marseytrollcrazy:

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Holy heck what a headache. I'd imagine hitting a manhole cover like that would damage the equipment if it's one of those smaller trench runners

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Ah so it's not necessarily the fault of those spraying the lines? Good to know, maybe I'm blaming the wrong people here

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A lot of times they'll do toning to check for buried lines but it's not perfect and some places don't want to pay for it or wait for it so they shit out a contract and say get to work. Then you find a buried line and they have to mod the contract which might stop work so all the boys are waiting around or shifted to another job site

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They marked out utilities in my area yesterday to run TDS fiber. Hope they don't hit anything.

At least I can still dunk on urbancels who are stuck with Comcast because it's the only provider in their area. I have Charter, AT&T, and now TDS as available options so my threats to cancel carry a little more weight

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If we don't hear from you in the next couple weeks I'll assume they blew up your house after they hit a gas line

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Lmao they sound like r-slurs but then again I don’t know what all goes into it, whether they rely on other dudes to tell them where they installed water pipes and stuff or if they fricked up when looking for them

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explain like I'm r-slurred (mainly because I am) why they can't put fibre cables on the same poles as power lines

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They actually have fiber on transmission lines, OPGW, for networking the whole grid together, but fiber is very sensitive to being bent too far, so it's kept at very high tension in the air, because if there's slack, it could start bucking in high winds enough to damage the fibers.

The tension also makes it difficult to repair if the OPGW gets broken, any repairs can't take the tension of a continuous cable, so it has to be deadended to a pole that is braced to take the tension in both directions, and then spliced together in the slack sections.

None of this is an issue underground, in a duct.

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My guess is that because fiber is continuous, and if it breaks it’s a huge pain in the butt. You can replace a small section of a downed power line but if fiber breaks you can’t just stitch it together

So underground helps keep it from snapping in a storm because it’s more expensive to repair a break. Just a guess though

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It's not because of "can’t just stitch it together". Fixing is not that expensive. Kobra_Kommander has it right, fiber just does not do well in wind. Breakage is repairable but wind means more repairs therefore more expense and outage. You could do overground conduits to eliminate wind/ice, but then it's probably not cheaper than an underground duct

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Cool, the more you know

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That's exactly what Breezeline did in my rural area. They made a deal with electric coop. A lot cheaper then running underground.

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Even if they pay $200 a month for broadband it takes 12 years to pay off the initial investment not counting maintenance or his profit margin or what the operator has to pay to his own isp. I now understand why inner city burgers hate rurals

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Internet is a human right sweaty.

Go back to Bigotland.

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That money should be going to a local politicians relative who is on the board of a non-profit that helps homeless people :marseycry:

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Why should my tax dollars go to help a politician's relative? They should be helping the homeless themselves if they're really interested in helping them.

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I don't read usernames before the comment so I was wondering what fricking moron lacked basic reading comprehension. It's not your fault you can't read sarcasm bbbby.

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You fricking moron. It is your fricking fault you can't read sarcasm. You fricking lack basic reading comprehension.

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:marseycry:

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:marseyeyeroll:

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Because it's the right thing to do

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What kind of answer is that? "Because it's the right thing to do" is not a reason, it's an empty platitude. If you can't give a better answer than that, then I can only assume you don't have a good reason for doing whatever it is you're doing.

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Rurals are basically r-slurred kids soceity takes pitty on and decide to pitch in to help out.

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I keep hearing about the Royal Flying Doctor Service here in Australia wasting massive amounts of taxpayer money to ferry decrepit old people via private helicopter charter to big hospitals in metro areas for surgeries and treatments. It fricks me off to no end to think that these useless sacks of dust choose to live out in whoop-whoop even though they can hardly walk and expect everyone else to take pity and foot the bill for their goddarn "miracle flights". That's literally what the RFDS calls them. "Miracle flights".

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Infrastructure is a long term investment that is meant to encourage growth. I'm all for it.

I'm just going to be mad when they vote down other states/areas trying to do the same, because they got theirs, like they always do.

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Basketball is the opposite of rural. How do you not know this?

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It is. That is why govs spend a lot of cash for mobile internet instead of attempting to put down fiber everywhere.

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meh I think last century they said the same thing about electricity and the century before about water.

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We do that already with like water and sewage in rural areas. There i got my own water source and own sewage treatment. They tore down the telephone lines and replaced them with mobile internet.

Still got electricity but the electricity transportation cost is much higher than electricity usage.

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lel, making the energy companies bleed by being connected to the grid :marseykingcrown: Also heating the environment in the process, but w/e

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The US is a world superpower. It's what we do.

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the virgin satellite mesh wifi sky cuck vs the chad fiber cable laying RJ45 ethernet overlord

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frick left or right, its where we can come together for once:

hes a :marseycapychad2:

Thats true centrism, only without those filthy centrists

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Literally no one likes Comcast except for Comcast and paid shills for Comcast. Most nonpartisan stance even if it comes out he's a white supremacy pibble owner.

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It's so r-slurred a municipality can't have its own ISP unless fewer than 3 ghouls bet on it first.

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I thought net neutrality being repealed meant this was impossible

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lmfao I vividly remember the panic over some sexy Indian dude taking away our infranets and it turned out to be total bs

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Rural chads stay winning :marseyjam:

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KING

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Based and Tedpilled. Back to the land, brothers in Christ

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!blackjack100

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!blackjack200

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!blackjack400

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!blackjack100

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!blackjack200

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!blackjack400

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!blackjack150

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!blackjack300

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Good for him

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Unfathomably based

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someone make /h/chads

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They should get the DOJ on this rural moron trying to subvert the system

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