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EFFORTPOST actually good [Effortpost] Why tf these Jews digging a tunnel under the synagogue of their dead leader :marseyhmm:

https://forward.com/fast-forward/575528/arrests-at-chabad-770-secret-tunnel

Y'all prolly heard bout this incident. It's proper for gentiles to remain ignorant, but a friend asked for an explanation so, having already decided to write it up, I'll let you in on the tea.


The Beginning

Orthodox Jews fall into three camps.

1. Modern Orthodox: follow halacha (jewish law) but have jobs, wear modest secular clothing, shake foids' hands (eg. Ben Shapiro)

2. Yeshivish: most have jobs, wear 1950s clothing, usually won't shake with women unless pressured to

3. Chassidish: many don't work, wear 1850s clothing, don't shake :marseyasianmerchant:

Obviously other differences exist.

Hasidism started as a pietist movement in the 1700s. Chosids all follow a spiritual leader named a Rebbe who holds court and is basically a king or dynast. Bobov hassids follow the Bobover Rebbe, Amshinov chasidim follow the Amshinover, etc. It's an inherited position. Sometimes the old rebbe appoints one son as the heir, sometimes he splits his following between sons (one in New Jersey, one in Israel, etc), sometimes he doesn't say much and there's a leadership dispute.

Sometimes a rebbe dies without a successor and a new one never arises. These are called "dead hasidim" :marseyghost:


Chabad-Lubavitch

One of the oldest khasidic dynasties. They get their name from the town of Lyubovichy, in white Ruthenia, where many of the early Rebbes held court.

The 6th - or Frierdiker - Rebbe died without a son.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17048220959295547.webp

His son-in-law inherited. Guy you might have seen before.

Menachem Mendel Schneersohn: the Rebbe.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17048221257975693.webp

An extremely beloved, interesting, and powerful leader. At 17 he'd already memorized the entire Talmud - thousands of pages of dense and obscure Aramaic - with commentary. The author of hundreds of books, innumerable letters and speeches. He founded thousands of institutions.

During his life the Rebbe had fled from the Soviet Union, the Nazis, France. In New York, he made his court at a building in the neighborhood of Brooklynn - today bougie and expensive, then working-class.

The address? 770 Eastern Parkway. A building so iconic in Judaism it's known simply as 770.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17048221259047916.webp


Chabad's Mission

The Rebbe saw that many Jews by the 60s and 70s had only a minimal connection to their religion due to American integration and other negative spiritual factors. Most were far from the fold not on account of a deep seated atheistic conviction but because their parents had integrated, were overcome by their desires, feared antisemitism and wanted to spare their kids, or whatever. They were like infants captured by idolaters in battle - a halachic status which made them unaccountable for their transgressions done in ignorance :marseycry:

Many Orthodox Jews were sad but dismissive of the plight of their misguided brethren, seeing it as a lost cause. Most Orthodox shuls did not do outreach, have special programming, or do anything else for secular Jews.

Not the Rebbe. He sent dozens of his devoted followers to every city in the US and many outside of it, especially places with no Orthodox community.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17048221639472682.webp

They wouldn't charge for access to the house of worship (common in most other synagogues) or wait for Jews to come by - instead, the Rebbe's emissaries (shluchim) would go to Jews where they were and bring mitzvos to them. This is called mivtzoyim.

In the process Chabad shliachs had to deal with many novel things like learning English, interacting with scandalously clad women, etc. They did so admirably, remaining true to halacha while tactfully navigating the secular world.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17048221640689216.webp

The Rebbe's campaigns led to tens of thousands of Jews and Jewish families returning to Judaism and are seen as an unmitigated success across the Jewish world, inspiring most other denominations and branches to start their own outreach programs, and even forcing secular Jewish movements like reform and conservative :marseysurejan: to put on fun events lest their congregants desert en masse. Many of the returnees joined Chabad-Lubavitch and became disciples of its chassidus. Even secular and non-observant businessmen donate to it as part of the mitzvah of helping a fellow Jew.


Trouble in Paradise

During the 90s, the Rebbe, already an old man, got sick.

His followers were in great torment. Nobody had inspired this much fervor - nobody could ever fill his shoes. Especially as the Rebbe had no sons or daughters - all klal Israel (the Jewish nation) were his children.

Many chabadniks even believed he was moshiach. Note that this isn't a deity or the "son of" a deity, whatever that means, in Jewish thought:

A king will arise from the House of David, who is learned in Torah and occupied in the observance of commandments as David his ancestor. He will compel all of Israel to walk in the way of the Torah and reinforce the breaches (in its observance). And he will fight the wars of G-d.

One who accomplishes these things is a potential moshiach and deserves to be followed. The actualized moshiach:

Is victorious over the nations around him. And he builds the Temple in his place. And he gathers the dispersed of Israel.

On an infamous day in 1994 - Gimmel (3rd) Tammuz by our calendar - the Rebbe died.

The Chabad community were thrown into disarray. Emotions ran high and within each community, every group, each family of Chabad, people reacted very differently.

Some were sad but accepted it. They would keep the memory and teachings of the Rebbe alive, without central leadership, but fulfilling his mission. Yes, he was worthy of being moshiach, but had died, which according to the majority view, renders one unfit for the status.

Others refused to believe it. The Rebbe was moshiach. Either he had died and would be resurrected or hadn't died at all. Maybe the tomb was empty... They became known as meshichistim (messianics) - the first group, as antis.

An extremely small proportion of the second - mostly women, ignorants, and the insane - went as far as to claim, contrary to all halacha and Jewish thought, that not only was the Rebbe moshiach, he was even, heaven forfend, G-d himself.

History enjoyers will note the parallel to the passing of a certain oily fellow of the 0s


Lubavitch Today

The movement was split. In such an environment christians disaffiliate from each other and muslims wage jihad. We close ranks. All Israel is one nation, one family, and even a big disagreement like this is not enough to cause bloodshed or enmity. (Paul's mistake was bringing in gentiles. Shat the whole thing up)

Chabadniks agreed to maintain their institutions - synagogues, study halls, houses of learning, charities, etc. - by consensus.

Mostly, it worked.

In general, the majority of Chabad adherents are, in public, anti; the most egregious claimants otherwise are technically shunned by the movement. In their own settings, most do affirm that the Rebbe was or is moshiach. There's a push-pull between emphasizing his holiness (+ messi) and not turning off the entire world with crazy claims (+ anti)

The older ones, who actually knew him as a living man, are more likely to be anti. The much larger younger generation - a hasidish movement's demographics are closer to Niger's than anywhere western - lean messianic. Like the wokies of the western world, meshichistim wormed their way into many of Chabad's educational centers to spread their ideology to gullible youth.

The worst mashichistim attend or attended the Chabad yeshiva in Tzfat, in Israel. An institution that was extremely subverted by the aforementioned process. Lubavitchers from the land of Israel tend to be much more messianic than American ones for sociological reasons I don't feel like getting into. Double whammy.

Many of the tzfatis go putting up stickers like these:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17048222066893218.webp


Tunnels under 770

770 itself has faced a lot of issues. As the center of the Chabad world, every claimant wanted it, or at least a piece of the pie. This featured acrimonious legal cases and battles, both in the Jewish juridical system and secularly.

After many years, a court gave ownership to a consortium of educators and general representatives of the worldwide movement.

In practice, the synagogue - which every devout chabadnik has been to, prayed at, and loves - is governed or controlled by gabbaim, who are older, respected men. However, many bochurim (unmarried youth) visit and live there or nearby for a year. It's a popular program within the chosidus. Israelis especially get special religious visas just to come and study at 770.

You can see where this is going.

Over time, the number of worshippers, and especially meshichistim, at 770 has built up very high. One factor is the birth rates, which of themselves would mean an increasingly crowded building. More to the point, messianics revere the Rebbe's building more than antis. Also, certain gabboim at 770 encourage meshichism. It brings in donations to the site specifically, instead of the rest of Chabad's institutions. Lastly, tzfaty youngsters who overly revere the Rebbe - many descended from recent returnees to Judaism or from broken family backgrounds - have a huge presence at the site.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17048222070833838.webp

Everyone agrees 770 needs expanded, but the planning and permits process to expand a building in New York City, the den of the Democrats, is not fast or easy at the best of times. Imagine with the decentralized state of the Chabad movement today. Many of the meshichistim in particular believe the Rebbe gave them an order to expand the building.

At some point over the past couple of years, some of these bochurim decided enough was enough. They found an abandoned mikveh (Jewish ritual bath) nearby and dug a long butt, big butt tunnel from it to the shul. Furnished with beds, a study hall, etc.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17048222068922012.webp

Recently the building commission, fire department or some other fake jobs program found out and got mad. Apparently it's a structural risk to the building :marseyeyeroll:

They shut down the lower story and brought in cement mixers. The bochurim responded by rioting and disconnecting the cement mixers :marseychad:

The NYPD came in, evacuating the whole building til further notice and arresting dozens of bochurim.

Now everyone's mad. The elders are realizing the problem with letting meshichism spread so easily and widely among the young. Many think Chabad needs to recentralize or at least establish a committee capable of handling issues. The bochurim are upset their friends got arrested for a righteous cause. Everyone hates that a couple of youngsters are making Chabad and the Jewish people look bad. This is a big deal in Judaism as it leads people to desecrate and disrespect G-d, who is after all G-d of the Jews in particular (and the world in general). The cops, being antisemites. are glad they got to arrest Jews: the only winners in this debacle.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17048222309032478.webp


Now you know the whole story. The vids are worth a watch if you wanna see bochurim hit cops with benches :marseycool2:

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This has nothing :marseynothingburger: to do with /h/aaretz but it's interesting :marseylaying: nonetheless and is about crazy :marseyinsane: butt Hasidic Jews.

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Being a Hasidic Jew seems awesome. You study cool esoteric text all day while your wife does three jobs to feed you and your eleven children that are inevitably born as she also has to bend over for you on demand

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That doesn't sound awesome at all, those women should be saved from the brainwashing, and abuse, and should be helped to be able to enter and integrate to the real world outside of that shitty Hasidic cult.

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Let me guess, so that they can be consent accidented by a :marseytrain2:?

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No, r*pe is way more common inside insular cults than in the real word. They'll have a better chance to avoid being the victim of a "consent accident" outside of the cult.

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:marseytrain:ism is an insular cult albeit

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whataboutism.

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>sure a group of people I agree with do the same thing, but you're not allowed to draw a comparison and show my hypocrisy

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>NOOOOO YOU HAVE TO LET ME CHANGE THE SUBJECT

:soyjaktantrumtalking:

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t. :#marseyshitforbrains:

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Sure dude

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:marseypedo: is also suuuuper ducking common in Hasidic communities

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And how many cults have YOU joined huh? How do you know that for sure?

:marseysmughips#:

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:marseytransrentfree:

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:#marseycomplain:

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"women belong in the kitchen not the workforce"

QuadNarca, January 9th, 2024

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You wouldn't say that if men were breadwinners and women stayed at home. You are enforceming your traditional gender roles, quad.

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Jews: *start jewing*

Quad: https://i.rdrama.net/images/1704873888091115.webp

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Impossibly rare good quad take :marseyclapping: (it's antisemitic and in the process simultaneously feminist and misogynistic; i.e. maximally centristpilled) (I do not condone antisemitism and I love and support my jewish friends; however I fully condone misogyny)

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https://media.giphy.com/media/tKnK4uNx2ddTV1VJBC/giphy.webp

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True Quad lets convert the world towards Christ together. :marseyheart:

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Please :marseypleading2: stop advocating for genocide. I know you've been brainwashed by American :marseybateman: libs but it's still not ok.

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They should serve me instead.

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Hope they see this bro

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Nazi

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>real world

As if your groomercord BIPOC butt would know anything about that 🤣

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Lol those "esoteric" texts have really :marseythinkorino2: gotten this sort of mystical reputation because of lies spread :marseymisinformation: by groypers, the torah is just the bible :marseyklennypriest: and the Talmud is literally :marseyme: just endless neurodivergent :marseysnappyautism: jewish :marseybadgejewgold: lawyerings over religion :marseyluthercringe: "what if we use this oil for the candle :marseycake2: instead of that oil" "well it works on a technicality but only if its after sundown on the third :marseyswastika: tuesday :marseygras: after olive harvest :marseyreapangry: season :marseyautumn2: and only if the full moon is less than two weeks :marseysoon: awa" boom now imagine that, thousands of times, for every conceivable issue, and thats the talmud

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that sounds extremely Jewish

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Unironically its why Jewish people are so good at lawcel-ing. Dont even need to be practicing since you learn this all by 13 years old

Source: me, :marseymerchant: :marseysuit:

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How many tunnels have you built?

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it is HYPER jewish

!slots613

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/17048261338686152.webp

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!slots613

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Sounds cool

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!slots613

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Isn't the torah just the /first half/ of the bible? (the based half)

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The Torah is the first five books of the Bible, supposedly written by Moses.

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Do they have to have s*x with their wives?


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Yes go forth and multiply

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Just use a turkey baster


:chad!black2: :marseybear::marseyrefrigerator:

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You forgot the part where you get molested by a rabbi when you're young and nobody believes you

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I dont believe that happens

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/17048278095755622.webp

Ive seen a ton of articles about this phenomenon

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All written by nazis. The same people who said the holocaust :marseymerchantelf: didn't happen

:#marseyindignant:

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You missed the firmware update, Nazis are the good guys now (free Palestine!) unless you're talking about legacy Nazis (chuds, transphobes, misogynists, PUAs, homophobes, capitalists, libertarians, rethuglicans, people that "don't care about politics")

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i don't believe these are true

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Only the Catholic church has ever had it's priests abuse it's power to r*pe people you fricking r-slur

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Has anyone ever tried to compile this info per capita by denomination? I'm genuinely curious.

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Correct aside from the last part - s*x is the woman's right in Judaism, not the man. Orthodox women are just super horny.

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The year 2150 will be so rad as the only people populating the earth will be the Hasids, Amish and Mormons

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One of the best effortposts I have read on here: informative, interesting, hilarious. :marseyloveyou:

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:marseypeacekeeper: Hijack because don't care. :marseypeacekeeper:

In such an environment christians disaffiliate from each other and muslims wage jihad. We close ranks. All Israel is one nation, one family, and even a big disagreement like this is not enough to cause bloodshed or enmity.

OH @Arran, why would you lie?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasmonean_Civil_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israelite_civil_conflicts

Oh my oh my, look at all those "closing ranks" moments. :marseysmug2:

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…so?

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Ranks are easy to close after you kill whomever you disagree with! :star:

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>when you learn more about religions, ethnic groups, history, and cultures on a niche reddit reject forum than on fricking Brazilian school

:#marseykino:

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Brazilian school is just a place to lower the probability of a kid getting shot for a good portion of the day

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More like convert them to communism

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Brazilian schools are known for their academic rigor? I laff

!macacos I poop on you

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:marseyhesri#ght:

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than on /pol/

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users there don't know the difference between jews to the point of thinking they are all friends :smh:

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Silvio Santos, the best Brazilian, is Jewish. He's also a direct patrilineal descendant of Isaac Abarbanel, the financier that tried to bribe the Spaniards into not kicking out the Jews. :marseybribe:

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Lubavitchers from the land of Israel tend to be much more messianic than AmeriKKKan ones for sociological reasons I don't feel like getting into

Get into them...or else! :marseygun:

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Hasidic movements in Israel are generally more schizo. There are multiple Hasidic groups split between an anti Zionist and a meh or pro Zionist one with the anti Zionist one being the one in Israel and taking Israeli funds.

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with the anti Zionist one being the one in Israel :marseydayan:

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEjHKw7by5QJ0sm6Q/giphy.webp

Seems counter productive

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Long answer is words words words politics and theology but short answer is really just profound mental r-sluration.

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Fair enough :marseyitsallsotiresome:

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He somewhat explains it in the text.

>Lastly, tzfaty youngsters who overly revere the Rebbe - many descended from recent returnees to Judaism or from broken family backgrounds - have a huge presence at the site.

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They wouldn't charge for access to the house of worship (common in most other synagogues)

:#marseyxd:

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Do they charge for acess to the jewish equivalent of mass? That's insane if so :marseyrofl:

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yeah, you buy tickets for the high holy day services. lol.

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the stereotypes are real then:marseymerchant:

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I only know this because of Curb Your enthusiasm.

It makes sense as a crowd control measure.

Older planes charge for wifi because they don't have enough bandwidth to serve everyone simultaneously -- by imposing a fee, most people won't bother to use it

Ambulances cost money, otherwise you get the bong issue of people using it as a free uber and your grandpa dies after waiting 40 hours for the ambulance.

Of course they could just use a raffle system for high holy day, but shekels

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Christoids ask for money too, both at services and to enter cool historical sites. Mormoids make you tithe, muslims make you tithe, this isnt special

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You aren't getting rejected :marseyabandoned: from mass because you're poor though lmao !christians !catholics this is wild

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charge for access

:#marseyxd:

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>his congregation does not gatekeep to ensure quality

It's so over for Christcels :marseycry:

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Caths beg for donations. Prots beg for donations, start business empires, or is owned by the state.

None of them have a fricking troll toll just to get into a church.

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Christoids ask for money too, both at services and to enter fetch historical sites. Mormoids make you tithe, muslims make you tithe, this isnt special

what? as a lutheran i have never heard of such. We pay taxes to the church via the state, for funerals, pay etc, and non-members only pay tax for the "cultural" part like roofs etc I ahve never heard of church stuff being like directly a fee? sometimes we ay for the dinner there etc.

!scandicks thoughts?

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I'm genuinely laughing out loud, does Schlomo really make his congregation pay before they can pray? :chadjew:

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I mean catholics used to do something similar (a long time ago) but still

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If you mean indulgences they had nothing to do with mass.

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I was about to quote this as well. Is this true, do jews commonly charge for charge?

Jesus christ the jokes write themselves.

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/1704822297331055.webp

is this true? :marseyhmm:

also the mikveh was mentioned in this article: https://www.vice.com/en/article/qbe8bp/the-child-r*pe-assembly-line-0000141-v20n11 :marseygigathonk:

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!g*mers !BIPOCs remember: this is what the average kappacel looks like! (not joking, he actually was a poster on /r/Kappa and did an AMA in there :marseydarkxd:)

:#chadblack2: :#plus: :#autism: :#equals: :#marseyryu:

PSA:

I still have the link to his AMA thread, but now since /r/Kappa is private then someone might have to look up the archives for the thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comments/otq2k6/this_was_me_ask_me_anything

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I hate reddit. :marseytrollgun:

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Aren't Kappa's those jap frogs that steal souls outta :marseychingchongpearlclutch: buttholes

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It's a greek letter :marseynerd2:

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This is so me. :marseyadmire:

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esports is not part of the fgc :marseyconfused2:

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The answer is :marseytrain: jannies.

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Reminder that @CELL should make a death match with @Sorenoel :marseypunching:

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I will beat any: furry, incel/simp, jew in any game

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What if I have been both an incel and a simp (at different times and both in the past, not currently)?

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Ok

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Omg a bed! That can only mean one thing!

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According to the newsweek article, the tunnel linked the woman's section to some nearby Jew spa or something, so this is all :marseynothingburger: :plus: :marseyschizotwitch: with a :marseythissmall: of :marseytroublemaker:.

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It wouldn't be the first Hasadic r*pe and grooming scandal.

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:marseyflushzoom: the walls are speaking yiddish

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Silly Jews, Jesus is the Messiah :marseyteeh#ee:

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I have a few friends that did the atheist to extreme Orthodox route. It's always amusing to watch, but I'd sooner deal with Chabad than any of the humanist ones :marseymerchant:

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What're the Humanist ones like?

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Just like Unitarian in that they don't really follow the core beliefs of the religion but still want to be included in part of the population. Sorry pork isn't kosher, women aren't supposed to be rabbis, and a slideshow isn't a replacement for a bar mitzvah :marseyshrug:

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A lot of unitarian women are /r/witchesvspatriarchy posters that are polyamerous she/they "light worker" empaths

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I have a few friends that did the atheist to extreme Orthodox route.

How did they manage that? Don't the extreme Orthodox (like from the OP) hate converts?

@Arran explain pls!!!

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Nobody hates converts, it's just a long and hard process. Two or three years, they'll try to discourage you, you have to learn hebrew, Jewish law, pray multiple times a day in congregation, get snipped...

What AA is saying isn't about converts though, but baalei teshuvah (returnees).

The distinction applies because anybody born to a Jewish mother is halachically (~theologically) Jewish. Such a person doesn't have to do anything. Judaism is his inheritance already. Doesn't matter if he practices or knows anything - he immediately meets all qualifications for membership in the community. All he or she has to do is start doing mitzvos. He can go to the most internal chassidic sect (unlikely but possible) and pray with them, marry into them, etc. subject to his character and circumstances.

Mitzvos are the 613 laws Jews have to follow - something like 240 applicable today - if an atheist Jew learns them and does the positive ones and avoids the negative ones he's Orthodox. Doesn't matter where or how he started.

As a general principle Judaism isn't christianity and the less christian assumptions you ascribe to religion in general, the better time you'll have understanding it. Faith doesn't matter, who you "believe in" doesn't matter. If you're Jewish you're Jewish. I's G-d's covenant with the descendants of Abraham. Any converts should join, well and good, but we're not looking for new members. There's no mitzvah to maximize the number of converts - a righteous gentile is not obligated to be Jewish to have a good life, in this world or the next. In fake religions - Christianity, Islam, Buddhism - you have to convert or you'll go to heck for unimaginable lengths of time. Jews don't have such a concept.

Hope this helps.

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if an atheist Jew learns them and does the positive ones and avoids the negative ones he's Orthodox

More acknowledges them than performs them. One can be Orthodox with varying degrees of actual observance.

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oh, i see. i remember hearing about some ultra-orthodox syrian(?) congregation in latin america(??) that never accepts any converts no matter how hard you try. i guess i'm wrong or its a very rare thing.

thanks for the clear up :marseykingcrown:

i might ditch islam (non-practicing) and be a crypto-jew in that case, sounds like a much more personal form spirituality. i can already physically pass as an ethiop jew, maybe i'll be able to push BLM in israel.

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You can't be a convert crypto Jew. If you believe in Judaism but aren't Jewish and don't intend to follow Jewish law then according to Judaism you should just be following the ten commandments.

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7 Noahide mitzvos. Different from the 10 commandments

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Right, my bad.

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You had a chance to not be completely worthless, but it looks like you threw it away. At least you're consistent.

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They hate goyim, not secular jews becoming religious

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They don't hate goyim. In fact secular Jews are the ones that they hate most.

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Some Orthodox (Chabad) do outreach to convince more secular Jews to come home to the fold. Which are also the tunnel Jews in this case :marseyhole:

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Were jews the real CHUDS all along?

They're cannibals (mohel sucks the blood from baby at circumcision)

They're humanoid (mostly)

Now we know they're underground dwellers!

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According to some stuff i read the tunnels werent built just because they wanted to expand- theres more than one faction among :marseyamogus: the hasidic jews, and apaprently this tunnel :marseyhole: was build :marseyyarn: in the most part by people who were angry :marseyannoyed: that they werent able to visit their favourite neurodivergent :marseycrayoneater: synagogue during lockdown. genuinely psychotic shit i hate them so much imagine how much more powerful jews could be if there :marseycheerup: wasnt :marseyavril3: this significant part of our population dragging us down by being neurodivergent :marseychadneuro: r-slurs who refuse :marseyno: to ever do any work that isnt purely selfish, frick their society :marseyevilgrin: is so shit too ive met many wonderful, smart :marseyslab: hasidic jewish :marseyjewoftheorient: women :marseyblops2chadcel: and every single :marseykiwimom: one of their husbands was an abusive demanding FRICK in private

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:marseynotes: be abusive demanding FRICK in private to get guaranteed smart hasidic jewish woman

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Sorry :marseyteehee: but unless :marseyunless: youre already Hasidic and born jewish :marseygas: these women :marseyblops2chadcel: wont even consider :marseygigathonk: you since marrying you would :marseymid: also mean being excommunicated

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@Arran @CheedsCheedNCheed2024Inc can't you convert to be a Hasidic jew or do they reject :marseyredflag2: anyone who converts. Tryna help @89wc become a man

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Idk I dont associate with those r-slurs, probably depends on their particular fiefdom but my understanding is Chabad 100% permits converts as long as the conversion was in accordance with halacha. Chabad is pretty fricking orthodox so i can only assume most ortbodox follow that rule. Which makes sense since why have the conversion rules if they dont do anything?

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Are converts treated as outsiders or are they pretty :marseybravo: well integrated into the community?

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If two communities slap fight with each other they might not view conversions done by the outside group as legitimate but if you convert with a very uncontroversial Orthodox group or with the Hasidic sect you wish to join you'll be accepted by whichever Hasidic sect you want to join unless you're aiming for the most schizophrenic ones or something.

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Idk I only pretend to be religious if my grandmother is around lmao. I dont have any close orthodox relatives

Probably fine if theyre not black

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how would she even know? surely there's been at least a few successful jew larps

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if they doubt :marseybruh2: anything :marseycoleporter: they will ask for records, back in the day countries used to put "jew" on peoples birth :marseychestburster: certificates, my mother :marseygiftboxmarsey: had to go into russian :marseyputin: archives and sneak :marseybackstabtrans: in a hidden :marseyhole: camera :marseyjourno: to be able to record her grandmother's birth :marseychestburster: certificate to show proof :marseygraze: that we're jewish :marseyswastika: so that my siblings could get free shit in israel :marseyivorytower:

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:marseynotes: birth... certificate.... russia... birth right...... photo.. shop... jew.

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I'm going :marseysalmaid: to sue

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Tbf in Russia you can just pay for documents saying you're Jewish.

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What

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I honestly didn't know this and this makes me very sad

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It's Russia, you can buy documents proving that you're descended from a giraffe.

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