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Bard spotting on Bluesky 20 January 2025 
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Karl (sad trombone noise enthusiast) (@brainnotonyet.bsky.social):
Please name which accounts are not far right. Please be specific so I can look or give rational
猫好きな人 (@valoisdubins.bsky.social):
Whoever you're replying to is blocked for me to see.
I had a quick browse of your far right accounts list, and this one doesn't appear to be far right.
iamlakshmisingh.bsky.social
(I haven't examined any others too closely, and only noticed because she follows me)
Adrienne (@adrienneleigh.bsky.social):
@rahaeli.bsky.social also has that account on her SPA/reply-troll list; pretty sure it's a solid ID.
Karl (sad trombone noise enthusiast) (@brainnotonyet.bsky.social):
It's a solid id.
猫好きな人 (@valoisdubins.bsky.social):
What's the evidence?
I genuinely cannot find anything far right on her timeline.
rahaeli (@rahaeli.bsky.social):
The criteria for SPA Reply Troll is 5 or more substantially similar antagonistic responses in 2 or more unrelated threads to unconnected people (ie not followers) within the last 24 hours or last 20 replies at the time I viewed the account.
猫好きな人 (@valoisdubins.bsky.social):
I can see now from other blocklists that the issue is suspected inauthentic engagement.
I would humbly ask that such accounts be put in lists with that designation. That helps me when checking if the list is legit. As a list user, I think "far right" should be accounts posting far right material.
rahaeli (@rahaeli.bsky.social):
Having actually gone and looked at the account from my cleanroom account -- dude, that's a blatant far right psyop ChatGPT arguebot. I don't list based on content, but if I did keep a political opinion sorting list, it would absolutely be on it.
Karl (sad trombone noise enthusiast) (@brainnotonyet.bsky.social):
Like this is just… really simple stuff. People really don't understand how this works with the far right and why the labeling is correct Ben acted having it explained. I really don't understand
rahaeli (@rahaeli.bsky.social):
Like, I am hesitant to use arguments from authority, but if you, me, @caseyho.com and @skywitches.net all independently flag an account as an inauthentic far right arguebot...
Karl (sad trombone noise enthusiast) (@brainnotonyet.bsky.social):
That's my general feeling. I am all about seeing the number of independent positive confirmations
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
DM me the account name & I'll check (again?)
rahaeli (@rahaeli.bsky.social):
You've got it listed already! Someone was questioning the inclusion of bsky.app/profile/iaml...
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
It's practically a textbook example 😂
rahaeli (@rahaeli.bsky.social):
Yeah. This person doesn't understand that professionals with experience can look at an account and see the dogwhistles pushing the far right agenda even if it doesn't actually use the icky words people recognize
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猫好きな人 (@valoisdubins.bsky.social):
The issue isn't whether or not the account is problematic.
I fully accept that it is.
My problem is having it on a list that has only "far right" as a description. That misled me as to what to look for to check if the list in general is good. (I picked this account because it followed me.)
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
The reason it's classed as Far Right on that particular list is because the class of ArgueBots (like it) were deployed to advance a far right political tactic of destroying public participation and trust in political institutions, and discussion as a political tool. To poison the public square.
猫好きな人 (@valoisdubins.bsky.social):
Then add a sentence about that.
I don't get the resistance to the suggestion that clearer labelling helps users understand what's going on.
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
I don't run that list, so I can't speak to why it doesn't have that listed, but I do know that it's difficult for me to publish and organise addenda, descriptions, and etc for my own lists. This site lacks personal wikis & I'm not $$ enough to run a full labeller
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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
The far right uses hostility, toxicity, & divisiveness under a wide swath of "flags" in order to prompt people to walk away from cooperation & regular government
猫好きな人 (@valoisdubins.bsky.social):
Yes. I know.
This is a really weird conversation.
We all know they use underhand tactics.
I think it would be a good idea if we can help each other understand what's going on with bad accounts.
For some reason I'm being told I'm wrong in this that I cannot fathom.
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
You're not wrong. More transparency is better. Blocklist maintainers tend to skip over more transparency as an economic consideration - will more data improve efficiency or adoption?
I argue it's important for trustability at scale & long term
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rahaeli (@rahaeli.bsky.social):
Are you, like, at all familiar with Australian far right politics?
猫好きな人 (@valoisdubins.bsky.social):
To a certain extent, but I can't see blatant support for the Australian far right. Genuinely.
I accept it's up to no good, but all I'm suggesting is making it easier for users to understand what's been picked up on.
It's on people's lists for behaviour, not content.
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
There's another challenge in this case, because "weaponised automated union-buster-ish aibots embodying the firehose of falsehood" is a relatively recent phenomenon, which challenges categorisation.
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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
I really, really need an API call to add Actor to Blocklist
A lot of people are going onto Transphobic tonight
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
"I'M A BLUEWAVE RESIST FOLLOWBACK ACCOUNT AND DEADNAMING AND MISGENDERING TRANS WOMEN IS HIIII-LARIOUS" frick off
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
"But it was just a j—"
FIX
YOUR
HEARTS
OR
DIE
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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
Blocklist Advisory #2 for Transphobic blocklist:
Deadnaming & Misgendering Caitlyn Jenner is Transphobia. You did so on or about January 20th 2025, because you figured "Ally means I have a pass". You were wrong. That is why your (or your friend's) account is on the blocklist. Fix your hearts or die
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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
That EO declaring the Gulf of Mexico to be the Gulf of America or w/ever — seems like, uh, government-mandated speech, prior restraint, and a slate of other BS, to me
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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
Holy shit! PER TRUMP EXECUTIVE ORDER, I'M A.F.A.C
Hand of the King (@handofthekingz.bsky.social):
Huh. So size does matter. Weird.
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
b a n g e r
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vortex egg, MLIS (@vortexegg.com):
People keep wanting there to be some kind of gotcha', but they'll do something made-up like exempt DOGE from FOIA requests or straight up repeal the freedom of information act
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
Something something if a crime results in a fine, it's just cost of doing business something something
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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
Holy shit! PER TRUMP EXECUTIVE ORDER, I'M A.F.A.C
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
THE TRUMP ADMIN DEMANDS MY BIRTH CERTIFICATE BE MARKED F, RIGHT GODDARN NOW
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
It's a good thing they're not minting EO's defining people's other personalities according to their phenotypic characteristics at conception, or my birth certificate would also have to be updated with "Butthole" and "Spineless"
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
NO I'M NOT BITTER THAT MY INTERNATIONAL BACCALAUREATE BIOLOGY CLASS WAS DISALLOWED FROM TEACHING US ANYTHING ABOUT THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION UNDER TEXAS LAW, MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE TO CERT IN THAT SCIENCE, WHY DO YOU ASK
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
But seriously, this is hewing out a path to effectuate "Life Begins At Conception" a tenet of law & policy, such that we slide into the Republic of Gilead by degrees
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Daryle Lamont Jenkins (@dlj.bsky.social):
Neo Nazi that was supposed to speak in Charlottesville is here on Bluesky. We should do something about that.
LeifusChrist (@leifuschrist.bsky.social):
Is he actually a neo Nazi or do you just disagree with him? Also why do anything? Just block his account if you don't like what he has to say and keep living your bliss.
William Gillis 🏴 (@rechelon.bsky.social):
So first off, that may just be a lib account choosing the same name, but Augustus is one of the most famous neonazis on the planet. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustu...
But I'm guessing that you already know about him and are being disingenuous because you're in the heathen world where he came from.
William Gillis 🏴 (@rechelon.bsky.social):
Your parade of bad takes however warrants discussion.
1) Implying that antifascist researchers just lie or misuse "nazi" as a term, is silly and trivially disprovable, although commonly repeated among conservative dopes. Like do you really think anyone serious still gets taken in by that dismissal?
William Gillis 🏴 (@rechelon.bsky.social):
And
2) "Why do anything?" Uh, distributed social sanction via public identification by researchers is just how civil society holds nazis and male feminists in check. Tolerating folks defecting from the social norm on this is how fascists are able to creep into spaces and corrupt them before seizing power.
LeifusChrist (@leifuschrist.bsky.social):
See how you are getting worked up over someone's beliefs. Disagreeing with someone is fine but don't let it disturb your peace. That's all I mean.
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
Sir, there have been three murder attempts on me in the past five years by neoNazis. Transgender people have had to leave the country for their lives & safety for refusing to bow to neoNazis. Don't tell us that we are overreacting.
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Daryle Lamont Jenkins (@dlj.bsky.social):
Neo Nazi that was supposed to speak in Charlottesville is here on Bluesky. We should do something about that.
Rita, antifascist🏴 (@oldsquida.bsky.social):
@chudwatch161.bsky.social
@skysentry.bsky.social
@skywitches.net
@facho-watch.bsky.social
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
Good eye
Rita, antifascist🏴 (@oldsquida.bsky.social):
i don't think it's him but nevertheless
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
I'm doing due diligence ^_^
The account never changed handles, so it's not submarining into the community
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
I'm inclined to the view that it's a case of name collision. The formula "Sol Invicto Augusto" was very common in late Empire to refer to the Imperial cult deity. People adopt the name often. & I'm not seeing any behaviour on platform indicating hatred or right wing politics
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
Per dailyprogress.com/news/local/c... the neoNazi of concern here was convicted of a crime Jan 10 2025, but his atty secured a 60 day postponement of report to jail. So —
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
If this account is still active in 60 days, we have excluded the possibility that it's the neoNazi of concern here.
That journ*lism also mentions that the neoNazi of concern still possesses an X account and there was evidence that he posts to it, and advocates political violence using it.
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
So all things considered, I think we can postpone a determination on this account for 60 days.
Rita, antifascist🏴 (@oldsquida.bsky.social):
i've blocked as not giving them the benefit of the doubt
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
I've set a task on my reminders for March 20
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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
I've found - at last - the absolute perfect cover of Just Like Heaven
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Mallory Moore (@mall.bsky.social):
They'll start having people in the crowd cracking that salute back in response and claim it's just stretching and good for your back next.
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
Making "roofs" over their kids' heads, ala AfD posters
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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
White Identity Extremist Terrorist Regime
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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
Me today and for the foreseeable future
Stef Christensen (@wikisteff.bsky.social):
Is there a pentacle I can inscribe in the basement or something?
I have chalk...
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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
If the ADL had an account on here, they'd get thrown on two of my blocklists (the Hate Enablers & Bad Faith lists)
Still Me (@realturkana.bsky.social):
They need to change their vowel. Enabling Defamation League.
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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
Y'all,
Donald Trump is
STILL CAMPAIGNING AGAINST JOE BIDEN
OmegaDoesThings (@agentomega.bsky.social):
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Make Lying Wrong Again (@makelyinwrongagain.bsky.social):
Please block her.
I welcome good faith disagreement, but she dedicated her account on The Bad Place to low quality rage farming, trolling and conspiracy theories in addition to promoting King Trump
Examples below 👇
Scrappy (@scrappyaf.bsky.social):
I can't see her acct because I subscribe to the very reputable anti-hate lists managed by @skywitches.net
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
She's a standard troll ^_^
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Staccata 🪄 (@stacy.is.relentlessly.online):
There's a question you can ask to help ground yourself: which one of your feet is warmer right now?
But like, is that just a thing meant to derail your brain or can people actually feel that at any given moment?
Like, can you actually tell me right now which of your feet is warmer?
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
The one under the blanket ^_^
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Centrist Madness (@centristmadness.bsky.social):
Me Chinese me play joke me make you support fascist who loves Diet Coke
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
Have you considered that amplifying white supremacist tropes from the 1860's is probably not the signal you want to send —?
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earthtonic & lockboxed (@algoresmilkymams.bsky.social):
coca-cola wasn't around in the 1860s.
you're acting like blooper Matt made a cooley joke.
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
He did.
Next?
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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
Time to meditate, yo
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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
Mornië utúlië
Believe and you will find your way
Mornië alantië
A promise lives within you now
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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
In a single sentence: The President of the United States is not King, and does not make nor abolish laws.
In two sentences: The courts are required to adhere to science (i.e. medical science), not bigot ideology, when deciding whether laws are valid.
In 3 sentences: The Nazis tried this shit, too.
Matthew Willis (Naval Air History) (@navalairhistory.com):
Even with the supreme court controlled by religious conservatives?
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
We'll cross that bridge when we reach it.
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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
Reminder that all my lists save one are entirely bespoke and have detailed criteria and errata; the one that isn't bespoke is clearly labeled as "list of followers of known hate accounts, subscribe with caution" & exists to slam gates shut if necessary
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
bsky.app/profile/skyw...
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
If someone is offering a blocklist to the entire site, you don't know & trust that person closely, and they don't mention or use the Santa Clara Principles, you may want to question whether it is good enough to serve your interests.
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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
I choked on my sandwich from three rooms away
Rev. Jesus "H" Christ, KSC (@reverendjesus.com):
(ahem)
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
I just didn't believe they'd invoke MLK Jr in the same day as exec orders to make immigrants & trans people unpersons
Rev. Jesus "H" Christ, KSC (@reverendjesus.com):
Like… it definitely wasn't on my bingo card, but only 'cause I didn't think of it ahead of time
I'm certainly not surprised in retrospect
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Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
stirring your hot cocoa so fast you can see the bottom of your mug
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
tossing tiny marshemellos at you
Kiraculous the Cyborg🏳️⚧️ (@kiraculous.net):
catching tiny marshmallows in my mouf
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
squeak
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Craig Johnson (@cajohnson-craig.bsky.social):
ding ding ding
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
I lost that bet. I bet he wouldn't mention him at all
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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
Adrian Bott deserves a doctorate in history education
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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHHHH
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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
🔳 Second Life
🔳 Shadow Cities
🔳 Ingress
🔳 Journey
The best videogames ever are highly social and involve dancing, singing, travel, cooperation, building -
Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
The dysfunction was in handing a group of highly privileged and socially maladjusted young men a capitalistically commodified cultural group identity, the supply of which could be used by bad faith Machiavellianists to manipulate them
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Ms. Penny Oaken, SkyWitch (@skywitches.net):
This is very true — & ethnosupremacism, misogyny, xenophobia, transphobia, violent extremism targeting The Other Identity is so remarkably highly comorbid to fascism, so predictable, that it is never a question of If a fascist will practice identity hatred, but When
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halo trained me to shoot illegals with needles until they explode.
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Granny panties and a dress. Granny panties and a dress.
6 foot 4 and a mugshot. 6 foot 4 and a mugshot.
Child abuse and no job. Child abuse and no job.
Living in mama's sunroom. Living in mama's sunroom.
Giant pale hands and lipstick. Giant pale hands and lipstick.
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