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6mo ago#6381852
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I mean they're not wrong that the really horrible shit was done mostly by the SS and Gestapo. They were no worse or better than the average allied soldier (excluding Russia obviously)
This is the myth Aevann was referring to. While it is true that the SS did most of the work in the camps
During World War II, the German Wehrmacht (combined armed forces - Heer, Kriegsmarine, and Luftwaffe) committed systematic war crimes, including massacres, mass r*pe, looting, the exploitation of forced labour, the murder of three million Soviet prisoners of war, and participated in the extermination of Jews.
Historians Alex J. Kay and David Stahel argue that, including crimes such as r*pe, forced labour, wanton destruction, and looting in addition to murder, "it would be reasonable to conclude that a substantial majority of the ten million Wehrmacht soldiers deployed at one time or another in the German-Soviet War were involved or complicit in criminal conduct".[3] The German Wehrmacht is regarded as being a "crucial factor in the most horrendous crime perpetrated by any nation in modern history" in regard to genocides committed by the regime.[4]
I also think it is important to point out that the Soviet atrocities were committed after many millions of their countrymen were subjected to that brutality, giving them the (arguably flimsy) excuse of revenge.
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Kutkop 6mo ago#6381939
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It depends on a unit (and the circumstances they found themselves in), but there were plenty of Wehrmacht units committing war crimes as gleefully as SS.
Lefotids think every German conscript had basic training in making Jew skin lampshades and putting prisoners in bags with eagles and monkeys and throwing them into lakes before graduating to holocoaster operator by the pit of fire
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I mean they're not wrong that the really horrible shit was done mostly by the SS and Gestapo. They were no worse or better than the average allied soldier (excluding Russia obviously)
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This is the myth Aevann was referring to. While it is true that the SS did most of the work in the camps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht#:~:text=The%20myth%20of%20the%20clean,crimes%20during%20World%20War%20II.
I also think it is important to point out that the Soviet atrocities were committed after many millions of their countrymen were subjected to that brutality, giving them the (arguably flimsy) excuse of revenge.
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I'm very much aware of that myth. What I was pointing out is that some of the things listed there are stuff that happened on both sides.
The allied intentionally (fire)bombed civilians and you can easily find trials about r*pe and murder too.
The Nazis were worse but Russia does come in a relatively close second.
I'm far from a wehraboo but I do believe the average German soldier wasn't some monster
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theres nothing more noble than revenge
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It depends on a unit (and the circumstances they found themselves in), but there were plenty of Wehrmacht units committing war crimes as gleefully as SS.
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Ye but according to those old guys the civilians must have done something to provoke them
Like being a slav or something
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