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EFFORTPOST Apologia Glowica: The Iran coup, 1953

The coup and counter-coup in Korea right now vaguely reminds me of Iran in 1953.

You may have read in A People's History of the United States when your pinko high school history teacher assigned it to you, and what you've heard from every midwit in the media, that Mossadegh was overthrown in a coup plotted by the CIA to put the Shah into power because the oil companies wanted to make money. All of these things have a pretty big kernel of truth but way more important stuff was going on.

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The Abadan refinery in 1950. At the time it was the largest in the world.

(I'm just gonna summarize this part really quick because it's undisputed: In 1951 Mossadegh nationalized the oil industry built and owned by Britain because they were just stealing it all and not paying royalties. The British together with the big (mostly American) oil companies organize a boycott so that other third world countries don't see this and get uppity. After two years, Iran is suffering badly because of the lack of money from oil among other things.)

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Mohammed Mossadegh. He did this strange thing where he would say he was sick in bed and do his business from there. He did it even when visiting America. Maybe there was some meaning to it in his culture but if there was is it went way over everyone's head here. Or maybe it was just an extreme passive aggressive thing. You can understand why negotiating with this guy might be frustrating.

The oil nationalization thing was the big issue looming over everything, but not in the way you might think. Pretty much everyone across the different factions supported it, but there was infighting over whether Mossadegh was doing it competently. As well as a billion other issues. Iran was one of the more democratic countries in the world at the time and people had all kinds of different beliefs and things to fight over. Obviously the religious thing that blew up in 1963 with Ayatollah Khomeini didn't come out of nowhere.

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Part of the fleet review for the coronation of Elizabeth II, 1953. This is the overwhelming power they were threatening to use.

Besides the situation in Iran, there was another crisis in a troubled country. Britain was still trying to figure out what its identity was after they lost India. A lot of people thought they should continue running a global empire. This wasn't some weird fringe Tory belief. Across the country there was deep resentment that they were losing their place in the world to the Americans and their anti-imperialism. Britain had been exploiting Iran's entire oil industry for about 40 years based on a deal they got through bribery and threats and paid only a tiny fraction of their profits to Iran. So Mossadegh nationalized it. The British went apeshit and told the Americans that they would have to invade because they couldn't dare lose face in front of the Orientals. So the US is trying to solve this situation without two allies going to war with each other. It's been two years now and it's deteriorating rapidly.

So Eisenhower eventually relents and orders the CIA to implement the coup the British had been begging for and partly planned. So the CIA gets together and plots with various army officers and politicians they think will back it. You can guess how well that goes. Other factions are tipped off and get their army units in the streets to put it down. The Shah flees the country into exile, presumably forever. Ironically, the whole reason why Eisenhower ordered the CIA to do all this wasn't because they wanted Mossadegh out. He was a pain in the butt but they could live with him. It's because Eisenhower was afraid the increasingly unstable, unpopular, and dictatorial regime was vulnerable to being overthrown by the communists and then everything would really go to heck. So the idea was that we would do it first.

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Stuff like this was happening but with multiple factions.

But the failed attempt caused so much chaos, with tanks and various angry mobs from different factions roving around the streets of Tehran, that Tudeh (the commies) decided now was their chance and they tried their own coup, but that failed too. At the end of this game of musical chairs, Gen. Zahedi ended up in power, the guy the US had wanted all along. It's hard to say exactly how much American support helped him. The CIA was bribing newspapers and influential people in the time leading up to it which may have had some influence on events, but the actual coup they totally fricked. This all happened in 4 days.

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Ashraf Pahlavi. Once at dinner in front of several foreign diplomats she yelled at her brother "Are you man or are you a mouse?" about some policy issue and stormed off. Would.

The Shah returned with Zahedi's permission, like a browbeaten cuck coming back from his shed. The Americans had never liked him. The CIA considered him to be a spineless coward and preferred dealing with his sister Ashraf, who was much more strong-willed and exerted a certain level of dominance over him. But something surprising happened over the next couple years. The Shah managed to lever Zahedi out of power and make himself an autocrat.

After the coup, BP was forced into giving up their monopoly of Iranian oil. They had been shamelessly screwing over the Iranians, using tactics like claiming that they couldn't pay anything because they weren't making a profit. The oil industry remained nationalized but Iran made a contract with the world's big oil companies (the "Seven Sisters") to operate it for them as a consortium. For various complicated reasons that are certainly way above your head, this meant that the Iranians got a way bigger share of the profits. It paved the way for them taking real control around 1970 and OPEC actually getting some teeth in the following years, under the leadership of the Shah to a large extent.

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I dunno why monarchs these days always have to wear military uniforms. Your dad became famous for killing a lot of bandits with a machine gun when he was young, but who are you kidding?

The Shah would go on to be denounced as a puppet controlled by the US. I wish. The CIA said he had a (actual quote) "pathological fear and hatred of the British". He'd been brought up this way by his father, who had been deposed by the British. Delusional megalomaniac? Definitely. Somebody looking to be a puppet? No. CIA wasn't even allowed to spy on Iran. In the late 1970s he got cancer which he hid from his "puppetmasters" until it was too late and was overthrown. But that's a story for another time.

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This is the only image of paratroopers landing in that war that Google will return now. Serious 1984 shit.

Britain, having been cockblocked out of invading Iran, was still desperate to use its (still very potent at the time) military power to thrash some wogs to show they were still dominant. This led to the disastrously r-slurred invasion of Egypt in 1956 in which the Americans spanked them and put them back in bed, ironically proving that Britain was no longer a global power that could do incredibly stupid evil stuff without American permission.

Addressing your whining

But Redactor! It was a rogue CIA operation!

:#marseysurejan:

Just like how sending Gary Powers out on that U-2 was a "rogue operation" until Eisenhower admitted he ordered it. This is an excuse that politicians use to protect themselves. Please grow up and don't be so naive.

But Redactor! He was democratically elected just like Allende! That should trump everything! :soycry:

And then when things got tough he made himself dictator. Park Chung-hee was democratically elected. DeGaulle was democratically elected. Nixon was nowhere near a dictator but you're butthurt about him and he was democratically elected. Trump is too r-slurred to know when he's breaking the law and he's been democratically elected twice. It's funny how it's only people lefties want to identify with are the only ones who get a lifetime pass for being a dictator because they won an election once.

But Redactor! This is the reason why they hate us! :soycry:

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I know who obscure musician Sahba Motallevi who plays the tar is, which proves I must know what I'm talking about.

Give me a fricking break. Do you know any Iranians? They're some of my favorite people in the world but they are batshit insane about some things. I'm not usually into "Human Biodiversity" but I think they might have a genetic predisposition toward being paranoid. These are people who, when JFK Jr's plane crashed, their first question was who assassinated him. Where the Cinema Rex fire was so obviously done by Islamic militants that it must be a false flag. Where Jimmy Carter is a ruthless thug who secretly wants to stomp all of humanity under his jackboot. Where a really smart well-educated person asked me if Saddam Hussein had really gotten executed several years after it happened. They would have blamed America for something if we never did anything.

Also it's a country with a deep sense of persecution by foreign powers because they were basically colonized by Britain and Russia from ~1800-1945. Except it wasn't done openly. Everyone knew what was going on but it was behind the scenes. The kind of thing that makes you suspicious of foreign superpowers.

This kind of animosity isn't sparked by a single really complicated event. It gets into all kinds of really complicated psychology. Look at the left in South Korea and their reasons for hating America:

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I wonder if a single one of these tards has ever even realized that they must have been wrong because the beef genocide never happened.

  • We were really the bad guys in the Korean war. (Yet literally about 90% of people who actually lived through that think we were the good guys.)

  • There was a traffic accident once and a little girl got run over by accident. (Car accidents never happen in Korea. Ajussi is totally fine to make it home after a few bottles of soju.)

  • American beef has prions in it that specifically target the brains of Koreans and give them mad cow disease. (This was a real thing I'm not even exaggerating. It was a huge national issue and there were massive riots over it.)

I can't even begin to list the number of cases of people irrationally hating America when we did nothing wrong:

  • British leftoids like John le Carre who were obviously butthurt that they lost their empire to America, so now they call us imperialists.

  • That whole thing in France in the 1960s-1990s where their foreign policy was all about hating America.

  • Indians who lived off of rice donated by America but were butthurt because we reminded them of the British or something.

  • Canadians. I think that speaks for itself.

In Iran especially, their culture requires them to have a Britain to blame for their problems, so that's going to be the USA. And in South Korea they need a Japan to blame for their problems, so that's going to be the USA. (I mean seriously, hating Japan has turned into this pathogical need where some of them can't live without it.) !asians

Was it the right call?

So should we have done it? That's the $64 question, isn't it? :marseyboomer:

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Eisenhower with the 101st Airborne chads before D-Day. This guy lived in a world where he had to make some extreme choices and they weren't just when to upmarsey or downmarsey.

Imagine being in Eisenhower's shoes. Stalin has just died a few months ago and presumably his heir is going to be like him. You were in a legit shooting war with the commies in Korea up until... :marseywait: 24 days ago. You're 8 years from leading a war on a continental level against another totalitarian regime and having to order the deaths of hundreds of thousands because that's how real shit was. There's a bunch of crises going on all over the world now. This one is especially dangerous because of the extreme strategic importance of Iran. Europe, the place you spent so much of your life fighting to protect, is dependent on Iranian oil. That war would have been a heck of a lot worse if you didn't have more oil than the other side so you know just how important this is. Given the information he had at the time and the imminent danger of WW3 breaking out, I think his decision was fairly reasonable.

:#marseymonk:

Here's my view in hindsight: I don't think they should have done it. I think if there was a better understanding of Iranian culture they would have realized that there's such a large majority who will never accept communism that you don't have to worry about that unless they get invaded. They had a large portion of the population who are conservative Muslims (especially in rural areas). The educated elites liked freedom and democracy. There's actually a democratic tradition going back pretty far and while it was far from perfect it wasn't a complete joke. Beyond that, look at the virtually total failure of communist subversion throughout the Middle East. In the entire Cold War the only truly commie state they managed to take control of was South Yemen. These countries have a really good immune system against communism. Also they really really are not sympathetic toward Russia. You hear it to this day when somebody makes a deal with America and they say "It's another Treaty of Turkmenchay! :soycry:!" And they are extremely nationalist. They are not interested in world socialism.

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But don't take my word for it!! We have access to an actual honest assessment from within CIA about what happened.

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>Nixon was nowhere near a dictator but you're butthurt about him and he was democratically elected.

Nixon was based

!nixonchads

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nowhere near a dictator but you're butthurt about him and he was democratically elected.

Reminds me of someone....

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:marsey#bush:

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Yeah FDR that fricking commie fascist frick

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oil industry remained nationalized but Iran made a contract with the world's big oil companies

:#marseymanysuchcases:

Just like Allendecels with "THE CIA COUPED HIM BECAUSE OF THE COPPER".

Despite Frei Montalva having started the nationalization before Allende, and never mind the fact it was never privatized under the Junta (which reminds me I gotta write the next Pinochet effort post). The CIA support was Cold War politics everywhere.

Thoughts on Mohammed Reza Pahlavi?

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Mohammed Reza Pahlavi

I could do a whole post on that and I don't even know enough to do it justice. He went through all these weird twists and turns in his life. I'll try to be concise:

He was legit a visionary who wanted what he thought was good for his country. Usually he was pretty smart about it. (Notice how all the industry and technology they've got in Iran now is still coasting off investments he made.) In some twisted sense he really wanted democracy. The problem was, his vision of democracy was everyone voting for him.

Way way too autocratic. He couldn't delegate. So when he gets cancer he doesn't have people around who can take over for him.

Having said that, he was way way better than most dictators of his era.

And I don't know what I'd do if I was King of Kings. He's disturbingly like me. Being really smart about stuff like building up the logistical support and bases for your air force. But I don't trust people, so I would end up being an autocrat while telling myself that I want democracy.

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Was Carter to blame for the Iran debacle?

Also, was Mossadegh the progressive human rights activist and noble leader who would totally have democratized Iran?

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Question #1: No. With hindsight if he took one side or the other early on he might had some influence , but these were basically Iranian problems:

  • The religion stuff - A lot of people in Iran are devout Muslims. At lot of people are not. Big fault line there.

  • Inflation - Oil money is suddenly pouring in at huge volumes. Literally like California Gold Rush levels. It's not just the rich that benefit. That money gets spread around and the middle class are uplifted. But it's not spread around to some poor bastard on a farm out by Mashhad on the other side of the country. All it does for him is increase prices for him. This is why you needed to really aggressively make sure that rural people are included when you get a windfall like this.

  • Autocracy - I already wrote somewhere around here but basically the Shah wouldn't delegate power to anyone. He got cancer and kept it a secret from the world. But gradually he couldn't micromanage anymore so nobody knew wtf to do. There would have been a succession crisis no matter what when he neared death.

  • Democracy - This is possibly the most fundamental reason: The Shah had great success in modernizing his country, especially in education. (Even in boomer times Iranian girls ran circles around us in school.) It was well on its way to becoming a first world democracy. The problem is, there's no room for an autocratic Shah in a first world democracy. He had created the kind of society that didn't need him anymore.

As for Carter, sending those guys out on the rescue mission, that's the worst thing I know about him. It was cynical, done for political reasons, and stupid. That was a suicide mission. It had zero chance of success. We're lucky that even more people didn't get killed. If they had even managed to make it to Tehran it would have meant a huge gunfight in the middle of the city. I'm sorry. Delta Force might think they're bad but they can't take on millions of people. A bunch of people would get killed. A bunch of the Delta guys would have gotten captured and taken hostage, so that's even more hostages.

BTW Charlie Beckwith, founder of Delta Force, was a massive cute twink and you can quote me on that.

Question #2: was Mossadegh the progressive human rights activist and noble leader who would totally have democratized Iran?

I don't know much about the guy. TBH part of this is because I get the impression he was a total fricking weirdo and nobody understood him then so I'm not gonna bother now. What I can say is:

  • Not a pinko. He, like Nasser, had no special affinity for communism. He wanted the Americans to get Britain off their back. There was a great deal of sympathy for this position in America but at this point Britain was still too important an ally for us to be perceived as stealing their colonies.

  • I get the impression he was kind of a weirdo like... Bernie Sanders if he was weirder if that makes any sense. So he appealed to a large part of the population but not everyone.

  • It's hard to know if he was competent because the British were throwing money around all over the place trying to bring him down. And back then it was really cheap to bribe people there. Even for impoverished Britain.

  • His political movement survived in a minor until the revolution when it was suppressed by Khomeini. Doesn't appear to have had a big following. I don't think he's really remembered for anything except the coup.

Please we need some Iranians here to tell me I'm wrong.

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you're fricking bananas if you think I'm reading all that, take my downmarsey and shut up idiot

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Good post :marseythumbsup:

Though I did chuckle at seeing "Epilogue" and then having to scroll three times the length of the original text before reaching the comments

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ok so :#marseywink:

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WE WUZ ARYANOOOOOS race war

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Excellent post :marseyclapping:


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:#marseyblush: *sips tea*

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So the feeling I have been getting is all the American who hated America for what we did in the Cold War really need to realize what kind of r-slurs we were dealing with. Sure it ain't pretty, and we probably shouldn't have done it, but saying we are the worst because of it is just dumb.

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I won't claim we're good or smart or anything, but at least we're not as bad as everyone else. :marseyshrug:

Or at least we weren't until recently.

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That has been how I settled my view on America. It is a never-ending struggle to be "good enough," and I still think we are still a much better choice than the alternatives, and we will probably stay that way for a while.

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CIA and the US had nothing too do with it except for giving them a few bucks. Iranians are bad people thats why they did it

Trans lives matter

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CIA AND THE US HAD NOTHING TOO DO WITH IT EXCEPT FOR GIVING THEM A FEW BUCKS.

Every CIA "coup" operation in a nutshell. Give money to the opposition which was going to coup the government for free anyways and provide them with some logistical support (a couple of "hits" and some intel).

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Yeah, and Tards think the CIA is going around with high-tech sniper rifles capping literally everyone they want in a coup, and IRL its more like they let somebody borrow their van for the night

some intel

That would be what CIA can provide that would actually be useful, and In my boomer times, it would be wiretapping the other sides phones or catching it on satellite, and Or today I guess theyd hack totally into their phones

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Do you know any Iranians? They're some of my favorite people in the world but they are batshit insane about some things. I'm not usually into "Human Biodiversity" but I think they might have a genetic predisposition toward being paranoid.

I do, and I blame the radiation.

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It's amazing how scared of communism people were/still are.

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As I indicated in my post to give you some context...

:#marseysmughipskorean:

It was less than a month since we got out of a war of aggression that Stalin started. This is about when the trials of the legit commie infiltrators in the government were ending. (No, you can't say that "McCarthyism" means the commie spy rings caught at this time weren't real. :marseyfacepalm:) They're building bombers and atomic bombs as fast as they can to nuke us and kill our kids. Mao is killing God knows how many people every day. They've got thousands of tanks positioned to attack Europe.

Unironically: I mean that wasn't ironic, so I guess I should double unironically: Millenials and zoomers, you have no fricking idea what you're talking about. This wasn't Putin doing some sabre rattling to look good on TV, this was knowing at every moment that there's a real chance that you'll die in 30 minutes. It's a bit more stressful than trying to find the best build for your LoL character or whatever you do these days.

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McCarthy was 100% correct :marseyshestrans: !anticommunists

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This is the most bizarre hill for chuds to die on, and After literally all the legit commies had been swept out of the government, McCarthy says that actually the United Fricking States Army is a communist institution (and implicitly President Eisenhower must be one), and This was Elon-level where you wonder if he wonder if he was on benzedrine or something

im literally screaming, The Army lawyer points out that his lawyer (Roy Cohn) has been illegally trying to get his gay lover out of the draft

And basically calls him a cute twink on national live TV.

You chuds are spouting this slogan and you dont even realize :marseyfacepalmgenocide: it has got to be a gay thing, and Some kind of gay mating call to each other

im literally screaming, Kids, maybe read a few fricking books before you post so you dont make yourself a beacon for predatory homosexuals, and :marseyshruggenocide:

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It's a joke calm down

:#marseysmughips:

Like !chuds saying Pinochet did nothing wrong :marseyhyperthonk:

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No, dont you try that bullshit with me, and If I said something about a triceratops mother youd punch me in the face, and Wouldnt you??? *sips tea*

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I'm more of a theropod stan tbh

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I just think it's funny that Back in my day we like just had T-Rex, Triceratops, and Brontosaurus toys, and Oh and the armadillo one, and If you didnt fit totally into literally any of these categories, you were considered an outcast in kindergarten, and :marseysad:

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Deserved

:#dinoxd:

Trex fans were you at? !dinochads

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Yes and no. He was right about communist infiltration but went after the wrong targets because he was an r-slured drunkard.

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He can't help being Irish :marseyira:

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Yeah, well Im like just a mick too, and have I ever accused anyone of being a communist here comfy on no evidence??? Oh wait... no... dont answer that PERIODT

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But you have been accused of being an r-slured :marseykindness: drunkard

:#marseysmug2:

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Thats... Im not... well I poured a glass last night and then I decided that was too much and went to bed, and Now I have to finish this off because Im thirsty but I really like this mug and want to drink pop out of it

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His cause was. He himself was an r-slur used by commies to distract from actual commies within US, and to discredit further commie hunts

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SILENCE :marseyhush: COMMIE :marseysaluteussr:

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His sole mistake was stopping

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Do you know why they invented 1.5 Kton nukes? Because most European small cities are slightly more than that distance apart.

I'm not asking YOU-you, just the listeners.

People don't seem to get that there's not actually a crystal ball that guides the government to guide the military.

We get intelligence and score it on a scale and make decisions on it. We mostly get it right, which never makes the news. You only hear when we don't, because "America bad."

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

1. Europeans and Asians are racially incapable of self-governance and cannot go more than 10 years without starting a major war or committing genocide (always both together)

2. Europeans always ask America to bail them out

3. America got sick of it

4. America finally left its troops and guns all over the planet and built nuclear silos at its own expense

5. World peace achieved

6. America extinguishes smaller regional fires as they appear and deposes weirdos who destabilize the world

7. The lesser races are confused why there is an American military base in their back yard and why they work at Amazon

!burgers !anticommunists

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Can't argue against that!

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German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer once admitted that the Yugoslavia crisis proved that Europe cant solve its own problems without American intervention, and That was back in the 90s but they appear to have made less than zero progress since then given whats happening in Ukraine

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Yeah they're Slavs

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>Guy whose country's history is 200 years old of which he knows only the past 70 years based on TLC documentaries tries to draw generalized conclusion on human nature

My "lesser race" peepee is still going to rip your butthole in half cute twink

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America: 200 years is a long time, 200 miles is a couple hours away

Europe: 200 miles is a long distance, 200 years is yesterday

Also Europe: remember when that other tribe did that thing 3000 years ago? Let's genocide them.

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Also Europe: remember when that other tribe did that thing 3000 years ago? Let's genocide them.

Justified.

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They've got thousands of tanks positioned to attack Europe.

I'm reading https://i.rdrama.net/images/17368775522b3rghBuZJ68FQ.webp this currently

!historychads do you want a 3000 word essayposting on the Fulda Gap?

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DESTROY THE !germs !historychads

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Joking aside, this was just NATO doctrine, as de Gaulle kept pointing out to his German counterparts.

That's still my doctrine, even if no war comes up

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Loool so good but EVIL

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Joking aside, this was just NATO doctrine, as de Gaulle kept pointing out to his German counterparts.

Ha ha, yeah guys! It's those pesky NATO guys doing this. Ouch ouch, they're really pulling my arm with this one.

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The Swedes were claiming to be neutral throughout the Cold War, and Meanwhile they were handing NATO a list of targets in Finland that they wanted us to nuke to delay the Soviet advance toward them, and :marseysmug3:

I kinda understand how the Germans could feel awkward about everyones plans involving literally all of them dying, and The effects of nuclear war are usually exaggerated, and It would kill a lot of people but it wouldnt end civilization, and Lots of people would be fine, and But in Germany it would have been literally hundreds of nukes and a lot would have been groundbursts, and It would have totally irradiated the whole country but go off i guess

Besides this is a really good song

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also like I started preparing to die in WW3 the Fulda Gap when I was about 5 years old, and Wouldnt mind reading another 3000 words

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Literally just imagine if Hitler won, got to keep the land he invaded in ww2, and then started making nukes.

why were people so afraid of communism

:marseygigaretardtalking#:

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My anxiety disorder is hecking valid because... :soycry:

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What experience and history teach is that nations and governments have never learned anything from history, or acted upon any lessons they might have drawn from it.

-- Georg Hegel

Snapshots:

Cinema Rex fire:

This was a real thing:

going back pretty far:

Treaty of Turkmenchay:

don't take my word for it!:

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