The coup and counter-coup in Korea right now vaguely reminds me of Iran in 1953.
You may have read in A People's History of the United States when your pinko high school history teacher assigned it to you, and what you've heard from every midwit in the media, that Mossadegh was overthrown in a coup plotted by the CIA to put the Shah into power because the oil companies wanted to make money. All of these things have a pretty big kernel of truth but way more important stuff was going on.
The Abadan refinery in 1950. At the time it was the largest in the world.
(I'm just gonna summarize this part really quick because it's undisputed: In 1951 Mossadegh nationalized the oil industry built and owned by Britain because they were just stealing it all and not paying royalties. The British together with the big (mostly American) oil companies organize a boycott so that other third world countries don't see this and get uppity. After two years, Iran is suffering badly because of the lack of money from oil among other things.)
Mohammed Mossadegh. He did this strange thing where he would say he was sick in bed and do his business from there. He did it even when visiting America. Maybe there was some meaning to it in his culture but if there was is it went way over everyone's head here. Or maybe it was just an extreme passive aggressive thing. You can understand why negotiating with this guy might be frustrating.
The oil nationalization thing was the big issue looming over everything, but not in the way you might think. Pretty much everyone across the different factions supported it, but there was infighting over whether Mossadegh was doing it competently. As well as a billion other issues. Iran was one of the more democratic countries in the world at the time and people had all kinds of different beliefs and things to fight over. Obviously the religious thing that blew up in 1963 with Ayatollah Khomeini didn't come out of nowhere.
Part of the fleet review for the coronation of Elizabeth II, 1953. This is the overwhelming power they were threatening to use.
Besides the situation in Iran, there was another crisis in a troubled country. Britain was still trying to figure out what its identity was after they lost India. A lot of people thought they should continue running a global empire. This wasn't some weird fringe Tory belief. Across the country there was deep resentment that they were losing their place in the world to the Americans and their anti-imperialism. Britain had been exploiting Iran's entire oil industry for about 40 years based on a deal they got through bribery and threats and paid only a tiny fraction of their profits to Iran. So Mossadegh nationalized it. The British went apeshit and told the Americans that they would have to invade because they couldn't dare lose face in front of the Orientals. So the US is trying to solve this situation without two allies going to war with each other. It's been two years now and it's deteriorating rapidly.
So Eisenhower eventually relents and orders the CIA to implement the coup the British had been begging for and partly planned. So the CIA gets together and plots with various army officers and politicians they think will back it. You can guess how well that goes. Other factions are tipped off and get their army units in the streets to put it down. The Shah flees the country into exile, presumably forever. Ironically, the whole reason why Eisenhower ordered the CIA to do all this wasn't because they wanted Mossadegh out. He was a pain in the butt but they could live with him. It's because Eisenhower was afraid the increasingly unstable, unpopular, and dictatorial regime was vulnerable to being overthrown by the communists and then everything would really go to heck. So the idea was that we would do it first.
Stuff like this was happening but with multiple factions.
But the failed attempt caused so much chaos, with tanks and various angry mobs from different factions roving around the streets of Tehran, that Tudeh (the commies) decided now was their chance and they tried their own coup, but that failed too. At the end of this game of musical chairs, Gen. Zahedi ended up in power, the guy the US had wanted all along. It's hard to say exactly how much American support helped him. The CIA was bribing newspapers and influential people in the time leading up to it which may have had some influence on events, but the actual coup they totally fricked. This all happened in 4 days.
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Ashraf Pahlavi. Once at dinner in front of several foreign diplomats she yelled at her brother "Are you man or are you a mouse?" about some policy issue and stormed off. Would.
The Shah returned with Zahedi's permission, like a browbeaten cuck coming back from his shed. The Americans had never liked him. The CIA considered him to be a spineless coward and preferred dealing with his sister Ashraf, who was much more strong-willed and exerted a certain level of dominance over him. But something surprising happened over the next couple years. The Shah managed to lever Zahedi out of power and make himself an autocrat.
After the coup, BP was forced into giving up their monopoly of Iranian oil. They had been shamelessly screwing over the Iranians, using tactics like claiming that they couldn't pay anything because they weren't making a profit. The oil industry remained nationalized but Iran made a contract with the world's big oil companies (the "Seven Sisters") to operate it for them as a consortium. For various complicated reasons that are certainly way above your head, this meant that the Iranians got a way bigger share of the profits. It paved the way for them taking real control around 1970 and OPEC actually getting some teeth in the following years, under the leadership of the Shah to a large extent.
I dunno why monarchs these days always have to wear military uniforms. Your dad became famous for killing a lot of bandits with a machine gun when he was young, but who are you kidding?
The Shah would go on to be denounced as a puppet controlled by the US. I wish. The CIA said he had a (actual quote) "pathological fear and hatred of the British". He'd been brought up this way by his father, who had been deposed by the British. Delusional megalomaniac? Definitely. Somebody looking to be a puppet? No. CIA wasn't even allowed to spy on Iran. In the late 1970s he got cancer which he hid from his "puppetmasters" until it was too late and was overthrown. But that's a story for another time.
This is the only image of paratroopers landing in that war that Google will return now. Serious 1984 shit.
Britain, having been cockblocked out of invading Iran, was still desperate to use its (still very potent at the time) military power to thrash some wogs to show they were still dominant. This led to the disastrously r-slurred invasion of Egypt in 1956 in which the Americans spanked them and put them back in bed, ironically proving that Britain was no longer a global power that could do incredibly stupid evil stuff without American permission.
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But Redactor! It was a rogue CIA operation!
Just like how sending Gary Powers out on that U-2 was a "rogue operation" until Eisenhower admitted he ordered it. This is an excuse that politicians use to protect themselves. Please grow up and don't be so naive.
But Redactor! He was democratically elected just like Allende! That should trump everything!
And then when things got tough he made himself dictator. Park Chung-hee was democratically elected. DeGaulle was democratically elected. Nixon was nowhere near a dictator but you're butthurt about him and he was democratically elected. Trump is too r-slurred to know when he's breaking the law and he's been democratically elected twice. It's funny how it's only people lefties want to identify with are the only ones who get a lifetime pass for being a dictator because they won an election once.
But Redactor! This is the reason why they hate us!
I know who obscure musician Sahba Motallevi who plays the tar is, which proves I must know what I'm talking about.
Give me a fricking break. Do you know any Iranians? They're some of my favorite people in the world but they are batshit insane about some things. I'm not usually into "Human Biodiversity" but I think they might have a genetic predisposition toward being paranoid. These are people who, when JFK Jr's plane crashed, their first question was who assassinated him. Where the Cinema Rex fire was so obviously done by Islamic militants that it must be a false flag. Where Jimmy Carter is a ruthless thug who secretly wants to stomp all of humanity under his jackboot. Where a really smart well-educated person asked me if Saddam Hussein had really gotten executed several years after it happened. They would have blamed America for something if we never did anything.
Also it's a country with a deep sense of persecution by foreign powers because they were basically colonized by Britain and Russia from ~1800-1945. Except it wasn't done openly. Everyone knew what was going on but it was behind the scenes. The kind of thing that makes you suspicious of foreign superpowers.
This kind of animosity isn't sparked by a single really complicated event. It gets into all kinds of really complicated psychology. Look at the left in South Korea and their reasons for hating America:
I wonder if a single one of these tards has ever even realized that they must have been wrong because the beef genocide never happened.
We were really the bad guys in the Korean war. (Yet literally about 90% of people who actually lived through that think we were the good guys.)
There was a traffic accident once and a little girl got run over by accident. (Car accidents never happen in Korea. Ajussi is totally fine to make it home after a few bottles of soju.)
American beef has prions in it that specifically target the brains of Koreans and give them mad cow disease. (This was a real thing I'm not even exaggerating. It was a huge national issue and there were massive riots over it.)
I can't even begin to list the number of cases of people irrationally hating America when we did nothing wrong:
British leftoids like John le Carre who were obviously butthurt that they lost their empire to America, so now they call us imperialists.
That whole thing in France in the 1960s-1990s where their foreign policy was all about hating America.
Indians who lived off of rice donated by America but were butthurt because we reminded them of the British or something.
Canadians. I think that speaks for itself.
In Iran especially, their culture requires them to have a Britain to blame for their problems, so that's going to be the USA. And in South Korea they need a Japan to blame for their problems, so that's going to be the USA. (I mean seriously, hating Japan has turned into this pathogical need where some of them can't live without it.) !asians
Was it the right call?
So should we have done it? That's the $64 question, isn't it?
Eisenhower with the 101st Airborne chads before D-Day. This guy lived in a world where he had to make some extreme choices and they weren't just when to upmarsey or downmarsey.
Imagine being in Eisenhower's shoes. Stalin has just died a few months ago and presumably his heir is going to be like him. You were in a legit shooting war with the commies in Korea up until... 24 days ago. You're 8 years from leading a war on a continental level against another totalitarian regime and having to order the deaths of hundreds of thousands because that's how real shit was. There's a bunch of crises going on all over the world now. This one is especially dangerous because of the extreme strategic importance of Iran. Europe, the place you spent so much of your life fighting to protect, is dependent on Iranian oil. That war would have been a heck of a lot worse if you didn't have more oil than the other side so you know just how important this is. Given the information he had at the time and the imminent danger of WW3 breaking out, I think his decision was fairly reasonable.
Here's my view in hindsight: I don't think they should have done it. I think if there was a better understanding of Iranian culture they would have realized that there's such a large majority who will never accept communism that you don't have to worry about that unless they get invaded. They had a large portion of the population who are conservative Muslims (especially in rural areas). The educated elites liked freedom and democracy. There's actually a democratic tradition going back pretty far and while it was far from perfect it wasn't a complete joke. Beyond that, look at the virtually total failure of communist subversion throughout the Middle East. In the entire Cold War the only truly commie state they managed to take control of was South Yemen. These countries have a really good immune system against communism. Also they really really are not sympathetic toward Russia. You hear it to this day when somebody makes a deal with America and they say "It's another Treaty of Turkmenchay! !" And they are extremely nationalist. They are not interested in world socialism.
But don't take my word for it!! We have access to an actual honest assessment from within CIA about what happened.
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It's amazing how scared of communism people were/still are.
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As I indicated in my post to give you some context...
It was less than a month since we got out of a war of aggression that Stalin started. This is about when the trials of the legit commie infiltrators in the government were ending. (No, you can't say that "McCarthyism" means the commie spy rings caught at this time weren't real.
) They're building bombers and atomic bombs as fast as they can to nuke us and kill our kids. Mao is killing God knows how many people every day. They've got thousands of tanks positioned to attack Europe.
Unironically: I mean that wasn't ironic, so I guess I should double unironically: Millenials and zoomers, you have no fricking idea what you're talking about. This wasn't Putin doing some sabre rattling to look good on TV, this was knowing at every moment that there's a real chance that you'll die in 30 minutes. It's a bit more stressful than trying to find the best build for your LoL character or whatever you do these days.
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Do you know why they invented 1.5 Kton nukes? Because most European small cities are slightly more than that distance apart.
I'm not asking YOU-you, just the listeners.
People don't seem to get that there's not actually a crystal ball that guides the government to guide the military.
We get intelligence and score it on a scale and make decisions on it. We mostly get it right, which never makes the news. You only hear when we don't, because "America bad."
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
1. Europeans and Asians are racially incapable of self-governance and cannot go more than 10 years without starting a major war or committing genocide (always both together)
2. Europeans always ask America to bail them out
3. America got sick of it
4. America finally left its troops and guns all over the planet and built nuclear silos at its own expense
5. World peace achieved
6. America extinguishes smaller regional fires as they appear and deposes weirdos who destabilize the world
7. The lesser races are confused why there is an American military base in their back yard and why they work at Amazon
!burgers !anticommunists
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Can't argue against that!
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German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer once admitted that the Yugoslavia crisis proved that Europe cant solve its own problems without American intervention, and That was back in the 90s but they appear to have made less than zero progress since then given whats happening in Ukraine
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Yeah they're Slavs
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My "lesser race" peepee is still going to rip your butthole in half cute twink
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America: 200 years is a long time, 200 miles is a couple hours away
Europe: 200 miles is a long distance, 200 years is yesterday
Also Europe: remember when that other tribe did that thing 3000 years ago? Let's genocide them.
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Justified.
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McCarthy was 100% correct
!anticommunists
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This is the most bizarre hill for chuds to die on, and After literally all the legit commies had been swept out of the government, McCarthy says that actually the United Fricking States Army is a communist institution (and implicitly President Eisenhower must be one), and This was Elon-level where you wonder if he wonder if he was on benzedrine or something
im literally screaming, The Army lawyer points out that his lawyer (Roy Cohn) has been illegally trying to get his gay lover out of the draft
And basically calls him a cute twink on national live TV.
You chuds are spouting this slogan and you dont even realize
it has got to be a gay thing, and Some kind of gay mating call to each other
im literally screaming, Kids, maybe read a few fricking books before you post so you dont make yourself a beacon for predatory homosexuals, and![:marseyshruggenocide:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyshrug.webp)
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It's a joke calm down
Like !chuds saying Pinochet did nothing wrong![:marseyhyperthonk: :marseyhyperthonk:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyhyperthonk.webp)
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No, dont you try that bullshit with me, and If I said something about a triceratops mother youd punch me in the face, and Wouldnt you??? *sips tea*
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I'm more of a theropod stan tbh
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I just think it's funny that Back in my day we like just had T-Rex, Triceratops, and Brontosaurus toys, and Oh and the armadillo one, and If you didnt fit totally into literally any of these categories, you were considered an outcast in kindergarten, and![:marseysad: :marseysad:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseysad.webp)
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Deserved
Trex fans were you at? !dinochads
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Yes and no. He was right about communist infiltration but went after the wrong targets because he was an r-slured drunkard.
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He can't help being Irish![:marseyira: :marseyira:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseyira.webp)
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Yeah, well Im like just a mick too, and have I ever accused anyone of being a communist here comfy on no evidence??? Oh wait... no... dont answer that PERIODT
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But you have been accused of being an r-slured
drunkard
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Thats... Im not... well I poured a glass last night and then I decided that was too much and went to bed, and Now I have to finish this off because Im thirsty but I really like this mug and want to drink pop out of it
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His cause was. He himself was an r-slur used by commies to distract from actual commies within US, and to discredit further commie hunts
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SILENCE
COMMIE ![:marseysaluteussr: :marseysaluteussr:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseysaluteussr.webp)
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His sole mistake was stopping
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I'm reading
this currently
!historychads do you want a 3000 word essayposting on the Fulda Gap?
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DESTROY THE !germs !historychads
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That's still my doctrine, even if no war comes up
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Loool so good but EVIL
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Ha ha, yeah guys! It's those pesky NATO guys doing this. Ouch ouch, they're really pulling my arm with this one.
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The Swedes were claiming to be neutral throughout the Cold War, and Meanwhile they were handing NATO a list of targets in Finland that they wanted us to nuke to delay the Soviet advance toward them, and![:marseysmug3: :marseysmug3:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/marseysmug3.webp)
I kinda understand how the Germans could feel awkward about everyones plans involving literally all of them dying, and The effects of nuclear war are usually exaggerated, and It would kill a lot of people but it wouldnt end civilization, and Lots of people would be fine, and But in Germany it would have been literally hundreds of nukes and a lot would have been groundbursts, and It would have totally irradiated the whole country but go off i guess
Besides this is a really good song
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also like I started preparing to die in WW3 the Fulda Gap when I was about 5 years old, and Wouldnt mind reading another 3000 words
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Literally just imagine if Hitler won, got to keep the land he invaded in ww2, and then started making nukes.
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My anxiety disorder is hecking valid because...![:soycry: :soycry:](https://i.rdrama.net/e/soycry.webp)
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