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Half-Finished ideas about DS9 characters

(These are rough drafts. I had been intending to write up a whole thing, mostly fellating Garak as the greatest character ever. But I might as well dump this now.)

I've had insomnia and been rewatching DS9 so we're going to review the characters. I'm going to be criticizing a lot of the characters on the show, but generally this isn't about the actors. I'm not a good judge of acting and generally if you're cast in a 1990s Star Trek show you must be doing something right. Most of what I'll be talking about is how the writers used these characters.

A pattern you might notice is that the show sucked at the beginning, was great in the middle, and sucked in the end.

Sisko

In the first couple seasons he was way too weak. Apparently this was a misunderstanding. The studio was giving the producers directions and they understood it to mean he had to be a cuck. Really it's that Avery Brooks had been a prominent character on Spenser for Hire and they wanted to make sure the audience didn't think of that every time they saw him.

In the middle he was okay. There's not much to say about that. He seemed like an adequate leader.

In the last seasons he gets kinda weird. I suspect that (this is a common theme among many people in the last seasons) Brooks was allowed to get self-indulgent. He makes Sisko more like him. This is very speculative, I've never met the guy, but his acting changes a lot. And it's not for the better.

The worst part is the writing. The whole emissary plotline that was so good before goes off the rails into crazy nonsense.

There's an aspect to his character that he's African-American. This is not a concept that would exist in the 24th century. It's like if me and @Nightcrawler had daggers at each other's throats over transsubstantiation. Star Trek works when it looks at contemporary issues and then zooms out, and looks at that issue in a way that's timeless. That's why you can watch 1960s Star Trek and it still resonates today.

This was done way better in Space Above and Beyond. They're telling stories about stuff like the experiences of black people in World War 2. If you're a boomer like me you got the subtext and understood what they meant specifically, but if you're not, these stories still work. Because everything that has happened has happened many times before and will happen many times again.

Dax

The Trill are an interesting concept and it's explored well a few times, but there's also some really boring obvious stuff. (You were husband but now you're in a woman's body. Wow. They already did this on TNG.) Not too much to say here as usually she's just the "straight" that other more weird characters are played off against.

I love the idea that the Klingons respect her because Curzon fought alongside them. What I don't like is that she can compete with them in hand-to-hand combat. The Klingons had been systematically emasculated for years, but this took it over the top. Apparently every goddarn species in the galaxy is actually as physically strong and good at fighting as them. So wtf is the point of being a Klingon? Wtf is being a non-Klingon if everyone has to be good at fighting?

Firing Terry Farrell was a bad idea. Jadzia was killed off in a really stupid way. There's no point in having Ezri Dax there for just one season where she's not going to have time to get developed.

The O'Briens

Everyman. They notoriously keep putting him in depressing situations. Again, he's a straight. A good character but not too much to say about him.

What's really criminal is what they did with Keiko. Rosalind Chao was a great actress, one of the most beautiful women in Hollywood, and she could actually do kung fu. And what do they have her do? Be an amateur schoolteacher, a botanist, and a nagging b-word wife. There's only one episode where she's allowed to actually act and she knocks it out of the fricking park.

Oh yeah and there's that Irish gangster episode that totally destroys his character. It's like what I said about Sisko leaning into this black thing. He's somehow a gangster from South Boston now? This is totally incompatible with Star Trek (and common sense) to have stereotypical Irish gangsters in the Federation in the 24th century.

Bashir

He starts out being really annoying. Gradually grows on you over time. Eventually becomes an actual chad.

Then we get to "Doctor Bashir, I Presume". Great episode, one of the best. It also totally destroys his character forever. They could have made him genetically engineered and you're like "ohh, that's why he's really smart" and everything would make sense. This might have been a great surprise if they had planned it out ahead of time and did some foreshadowing. The kind of thing they did on Babylon 5. But no, they just came up with the idea and wrote up an episode one week.

Also they gave him all kinds of superhuman mental and physical powers. This is the dumbest thing a writer can do. A character gets less interesting the more superpowers they get. Look at how boring Superman is. Also, how in the heck is he not landing foids at will when he's so good at calculating probabilities? As a man, that's most of what dating is about. Calculating the probability of a certain action succeeding.

Worf

Bringing him on the show was a clear sign of desperation. At the time I saw this as the producers basically admitting that their show was way inferior to TNG and needed something from TNG to prop them up.

The relationship with Dax was incredibly cringy. Just like the Worf-Troi thing. At first I thought it had something to do with being him being Klingon. And then the lightbulb goes off in my mind: These tards are just really bad at writing romantic comedy and they're still trying to do it. Why in the heck did they try to switch to this genre when they're not good at it? Just hire some writers from Castle or literally anybody in Korea to do your romcom bits.

My general opinion of him is that the character is great but it's played out. We'd seen Worf for 7 years already on TNG. Ronald Moore is a great writer but there's just not much left to do with him. So it ends up in a really bad soap opera with Dax.

Odo

Again this is all over the place. He's a an interesting character some of the time, especially in the episodes where they deal with what it would be like to be truly alien and alone like that. At least the writers usually remember what powers he has (unlike Troi in TNG where they just flip it on and off to serve the plot).

I like him until the Kira romance arc. This always felt weird to me because he's supposed to be an alien. A real alien. Not just somebody with bumps on their forehead, a real alien. Why is he attracted to Kira? In a k-drama this would be something that would be gradually developed over 5-10 hours. On DS9 it just suddenly happens because the writers decided to do it that week. (As with Bashir's genetic engineering.) They jerk themselves off over inventing the concept of serialized TV (lol) but they were really bad at it. They just made shit up as they went along. You cannot do romance without building up to it.

Everything about his interactions with the Founders were unsettling to me. He had treasonous communication with the enemy. There's a lot of times where he betrays us. So why is it wrong to end the war and the oppression of the Dominion by infecting him with the bioweapon? It saves hundreds of billions of people from death or slavery, but Odo is too important to sacrifice for that? It really diminishes the war arc when it turns out when it comes down to it, our characters actually care more about their friend than winning.

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Odo is great :gunt:

!familyman Rare DS9 reference (They actually got René Auberjonois to voice this lmao)

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I have a massive BFF aboot this: Hey noticed about my HUGE civil war in the 1980s?

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Actually brutal about how DS0 was written.

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You f-slurs had Rosalind Chao but wrote around her because you're f-slurs.

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Y'kno, considering you said you didn't like this show, it sure does sit heavy on your mind.

Might I suggest that, if people would like considered, well-written and entertaining posts about Deep Space Nine, they read my reviews of Season 1's episodes here:

https://rdrama.net/h/kino/post/328061/star-trek-deep-space-9-season

https://rdrama.net/h/kino/post/328138/ds9-season-1-episode-reviews-captive

https://rdrama.net/h/kino/post/328522/star-trek-ds9-season-1-reviews

https://rdrama.net/h/kino/post/328772/star-trek-ds9-season-1-reviews

I'll get around to Season 2 somtime. I was thinking of writing a guide to Season 1 of Justified first because there are some good parts and you need to watch them to set up events in future, superior, seasons.

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It was great in the middle seasons. (Much like so many Trek shows.)

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You doon't understand SciFi. Have you considered watching something else from the 20th Century- Days of Our Lives or Perfect Strangers for example?

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Do not EVER compare whitoid soap operas to Korean or Japanese.

Uniroinically one of my favorite shows is a about a (Kashii Yu extremely hot) learning to get along with her mother-in-law.

( (Kashii Yu extremely hot) I think I was getting this confused with a movie. She is still entirely if she wants to come to Oregon to build housing materials 330% WOULD.

I'm sure she'll be extremely flatttered by my opinion of her.

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Do NOT ever frick with me. I've doon preeofreeding for like literallly 50 Korean romcocoms.

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It sounds like you don't appreciate the best startrek enough. Also no paragraphs on any of the Ferengi?

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It was half-finished. I didn't get to the best parts.

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>Only mention of sexy, sexy Kira is about neurodivergent Odo

Uninterested in what you have to say

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Her hair tho. I'm she could make it but... her hair.

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Sexy.

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Ro Laren tho. She could share a starship quarters with you.

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:#marseyyikes:

I'd rather be a Cardassian than you.

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You are gay, I get it

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I'd be gay for Dukat. Marc Alaimo is one of my favorite actors in history. Way way better than the f-slurs who wrote for his character.

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Thoughts on Babylon 5?

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The "What do you want?" character is one of the best ever in TV.

Also really sad that the guy literally schizoed out because it ruined Julie Nickson's career. He should have been a man and killed himself earlier before he ruined her life.

(I'm not joking or anything, this is the kind of thing that as a psycho I've struggled with a lot)

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I love DS9!

Sisko:

I don't really recall him feeling week, but he was only a Commander when the show started which was a first for a Star Trek lead. I think he still had some great moments towards the end of the series, but I think you have a point with indulging him personally. Seems like a pretty weird guy from what I've heard. The Emissary thing was definitely an odd one, but overall I liked it. It was certainly a very big departure from normal Star Trek storylines. I didn't find his African background to be too in your face for the most part outside of a couple episodes (featuring the "Bell Riots" of the 21st century or whatever the heck it was). He has a few African art pieces on the wall but not really abnormal for someone to have some artifacts of their ancestry. His love of baseball and his son are much bigger aspects of his character. If they were writing his character in the current year he would totally be pointing out his blackness every chance he got and accusing all of the white characters of being racist towards him.

Dax:

They did touch on the gender thing in an episode of TNG (not a particularly good episode either in my opinion), but a main character should give you more opportunity to explore it. I'd say that they largely didn't bother exploring it with her though. Outside of one episode where she kisses a woman you mainly just get Sisko calling her "Old Man" because that's what he called Curzon. I think the actress really carried this role and made the character likeable.

Agree on the Klingon thing. But Star Trek is terribly bad about being consistent with physical differences between alien races. In the original series Spock (who is only half Vulcan) is shown to be way stronger than Kirk. Later appearances have humans fighting Vulcans (or Romulans) with little trouble. Klingons get this same inconsistent treatment.

O'Briens:

Miles is amazing and one of my favorites.

Definitely agree with you on Keiko. She only shows up when they need an antagonist for Miles which turns her into nothing more than a nagging wife. Huge wasted opportunity.

Bashir:

Despite what they did with him he's still one of my favorites on the show. Which says a lot since I really like most of the characters on this show.

But the reveal of him being genetically altered is really a downer when you think of it. I think they briefly lampshade it on the show and have Miles ask him if Julian was just letting him win at darts and the answer is pretty much "yes" and played off for laughs, but what else was he doing to hide his abilities? His hand-eye coordination enhancements should make him an expert marksman.. does he ever purposefully miss a phaser shot? What about his enhanced intellect? Was there ever a time he pretended to take longer to solve a problem than he needed to keep people from noticing he was "too smart"?

Worf:

I don't know if it's so much that they felt DS9 was lacking or if someone behind the scenes just really liked Michael Dorn and wanted to keep him employed or what the reasoning was. I like Worf though. I wouldn't say they did anything too drastic with his character, like you said he'd been explored through a lot of TNG episodes, but at least pairing him with Jadzia moved him on from the weird thing he had with Troi. Worf's always been more of just a side character and I don't think the show particularly needed him I wasn't sad he was there. He was one of the ones that I was looking most forward to showing up in Picard Season 3. He may not contribute a lot of spectacular things but I'm always happy to see him.

Odo:

I didn't really care for the Kira romance either, but I disagree somewhat with it being because he was supposed to be "truly alien". Physically he may be truly alien, but all he's ever known is the people he grew up around. That's why he models his appearance after a Bajoran. I don't think its too surprising that he'd be able to develop feelings for one of the people that he's spent his entire life living amongst.

He's supposed to be conflicted between the people he grew up with versus "his people". He ultimately chooses his crew over the Changlings. But I think they went back to this well too many times that it gives the appearance that he's treasonous as you said. Too much back and forth instead of having him make a choice and stick with it.

The idea that infecting the Founders with the bioweapon is wrong is because genocide is wrong and the main characters find it objectionable, not just because Odo is their friend.

I'm lazy and not going to list any other characters that you didn't mention. I'm now ready to be flamed by Long Post Bot.

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That degree finally paying off

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Thank you.

:#marseyspock:

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