I first realized PhilosophyTube was a sycophant when he made a meme video making fun of Rand instead of treating her fairly like his previous videos on Commie philosophers.
I clocked PT as a commie on the first video of his that popped on my YouTube feed, it was back in 2017 or 2018 I think? It was about "antifa".
I'm not a philosophy-cel so I can't speak for Rand's ideas, maybe the objectivists of !sophistry (if they're any) can help. But Rand's writing is YA tier, her novels are far from literary masterpieces but they're not worse than the average sci-fi/fantasy recommendation that's usually posted on /r/books. And if we're to compare her with 21st century female writers then she would probably rank high lol.
Rand has no sense of prose, or anything soul beyond description and screeds about objectivism (I don't theoretically disagree with her but if you want to write philosophy just do that).
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>if you want to write philosophy just do that).
The rationalists have Harry Potter fanfiction
edit: you can get the printed (nonprofitly printed by a non profit) version in multiple languages including Hebrew
I remember when rationalists were trying to leave these places, to "inspire rationalism" like the Gideons (club that leaves Bibles in all the hotel rooms and hands them out)
I was shooting heroin and reading "The Fountainhead" in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief. "Bad news, detective. We got a situation." "What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?" "Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars' worth of bitcoins." The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. "What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?" "Not yet. But mark my words: we're going to figure out who did this and we're going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so." "Easy, chief," I said. "Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair." He laughed. "That's why you're the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins." "Don't worry," I said. "I'm on it." I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside. "Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®" I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. "Nobody move unless you want to!" They didn't. "Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?" No one spoke up. "Come on," I said. "Don't you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?" It didn't seem like they did. "Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I'm just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters." Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn't care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing. I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it. "Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®" I yelled. Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him. "Stop right there!" I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen. I was losing him. "Listen, I'll pay you to stop!" I yelled. "What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I'll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn 'Bob Barr '08' extra-large long-sleeved men's T-shirt!" He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose. "All right, all right!" the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. "I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins." "Why'd you do it?" I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy. "Because I was afraid." "Afraid?" "Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers," he said. "I'm a central banker." I wanted to coldpeepee the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head. "Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street," I said. "No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you'll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom." He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me for arresting him.
That's really interesting. I'm not a very social person hence my sample size is small, but I've never met a person who did a complete 180 on their views like it seems you did. I also live in a fairly small country, but the closest I came to was the one girl who I talked a lot to in highschool who was the grand-daughter of the owner of one of the very few big businesses we have here becoming a full-on commie during her undergraduate studies abroad in Britain, in a very prestigious university no less. It's hard to understand but the cultural perception of communism and Russian imperialism is very different here as well, us being a former constituent of USSR, so her being an ethnic majority who adapted that view surprised me a lot.
I probably said more than I should have, I just find it very interesting when these things happen. As much of a hypocrite as I am in my actions, I don't think I've ever changed my view on things ideologically. Though I don't know how much of a virtue that really is.
but I've never met a person who did a complete 180 on their views like it seems you did
I did in real life, my aunt was a communist during college, she participated in anti-government protests, even years after she graduated I remember seeing Marx's Capital and the Che Guevara diaries on her bookshelf. 20 years+ of working as a doctor in public healthcare convinced her that it would be better if it all got privatized lol. Now she's even sympathetic to rightoid politicians.
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Can you DM me where you live? I love having internet friends from all over the world. It's really cool to get so many different perspectives.
I've kind of done a 360 in a way, I'm back to my libertarian ethics that I held earlier in HS I'd say. Possibly more centrist, but certainly pro-capitalism.
Honestly hanging out with actual commies is enough to deradicalize. I'm pretty active in my church now (even though I was a pretty hardened atheist at 13) and it's night and day what you can do with a couple normal Jesus followers vs. a crew of burn out college students.
I'm from Latvia, I never really hid that so I have no problem typing it out here. I also am college-educated, I did my degree in England, so I sort-of understand the people you speak of. But at the same time I think it's a much bigger virtue to come to these conclusions regarding politics, philosophy, God and whatever else by yourself, independently, rather than just following whatever you were taught or raised as.
I believe our Archbishop was an atheist for some time in his life, and I really admire him turning around after he read catholic philosophy. It's hard to win, but it is even harder to lose with dignity and accept defeat by admitting you were wrong, which is probably a very dramaphobic statement. I don't think I've mastered that part yet.
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I've never met a person who did a complete 180 on their views
A significant number of people do, because of second opinion bias. They never become more moderate, they just switch to an equally extreme other side of the horseshoe. They aren't smart enough to question whether the issues in their ideology were due to the wingcuckery or the extremism so they get it wrong.
I'm not a very social person hence my sample size is small, but I've never met a person who did a complete 180 on their views like it seems you did.
Honestly lain's story is common to zoomers. They get all lefty in high school and college because it synergizes with adolescent edginess and there's a wide variety of channels and influencers who know how to appeal to them.
But only trust fund kids really keep that mentality past, I dunno, 28 or so. If they end up with a wagie job with too many shit coworkers and hobo encounters.
If they actually see a union in action.
If they join the military or otherwise travel outside of a tourist resort and see how poor the rest of the world is.
If they go into trades.
Or if they just start making decent money in general.
Their lefty views usually don't survive. It's all surface level anyway
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the books are fine
She has monologues that go for a dozen pages. That's worse than lefty memes.
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!bookworms reminder that must have a very high IQ to understand

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Ayn Rand is just a terrible author, that's why you need a high iq to parse what she's saying
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I'll make a post on her in a couple of weeks because even after 40 years being dead she still produces tons of seethe.
As for her writing itself I found "the Fountainhead" mediocre at best.
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I first realized PhilosophyTube was a sycophant when he made a meme video making fun of Rand instead of treating her fairly like his previous videos on Commie philosophers.
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I clocked PT as a commie on the first video of his that popped on my YouTube feed, it was back in 2017 or 2018 I think? It was about "antifa".
I'm not a philosophy-cel so I can't speak for Rand's ideas, maybe the objectivists of !sophistry (if they're any) can help. But Rand's writing is YA tier, her novels are far from literary masterpieces but they're not worse than the average sci-fi/fantasy recommendation that's usually posted on /r/books. And if we're to compare her with 21st century female writers then she would probably rank high lol.
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Rand has no sense of prose, or anything soul beyond description and screeds about objectivism (I don't theoretically disagree with her but if you want to write philosophy just do that).
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edit: you can get the printed (nonprofitly printed by a non profit) version in multiple languages including Hebrew
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/people/caroline-ellison-worldoptimization
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The Rand video appears to be 2016 so pretty early on when he was literally just doing Philosophy 101 stuff.
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Her fiction-writing is much better than her philosophy
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I was shooting heroin and reading "The Fountainhead" in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief. "Bad news, detective. We got a situation." "What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?" "Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars' worth of bitcoins." The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. "What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?" "Not yet. But mark my words: we're going to figure out who did this and we're going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so." "Easy, chief," I said. "Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair." He laughed. "That's why you're the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins." "Don't worry," I said. "I'm on it." I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside. "Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®" I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. "Nobody move unless you want to!" They didn't. "Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?" No one spoke up. "Come on," I said. "Don't you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?" It didn't seem like they did. "Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I'm just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters." Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn't care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing. I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it. "Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®" I yelled. Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him. "Stop right there!" I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen. I was losing him. "Listen, I'll pay you to stop!" I yelled. "What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I'll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn 'Bob Barr '08' extra-large long-sleeved men's T-shirt!" He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose. "All right, all right!" the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. "I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins." "Why'd you do it?" I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy. "Because I was afraid." "Afraid?" "Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers," he said. "I'm a central banker." I wanted to coldpeepee the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head. "Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street," I said. "No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you'll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom." He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me for arresting him.
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Don't worry it's just a copy pasta
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I read this every time it's posted
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I'm invested in Lain lore now, tell me more. Was that during your commie phase you alluded to at some point?
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Yes, I was big on watching commie video essays (BreadTube) back in the mid 10s when I was in HS and directly lead to me becoming a commie.
I was a big /r/chapotraphouse poster back in the day.
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That's really interesting. I'm not a very social person hence my sample size is small, but I've never met a person who did a complete 180 on their views like it seems you did. I also live in a fairly small country, but the closest I came to was the one girl who I talked a lot to in highschool who was the grand-daughter of the owner of one of the very few big businesses we have here becoming a full-on commie during her undergraduate studies abroad in Britain, in a very prestigious university no less. It's hard to understand but the cultural perception of communism and Russian imperialism is very different here as well, us being a former constituent of USSR, so her being an ethnic majority who adapted that view surprised me a lot.
I probably said more than I should have, I just find it very interesting when these things happen. As much of a hypocrite as I am in my actions, I don't think I've ever changed my view on things ideologically. Though I don't know how much of a virtue that really is.
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I did in real life, my aunt was a communist during college, she participated in anti-government protests, even years after she graduated I remember seeing Marx's Capital and the Che Guevara diaries on her bookshelf. 20 years+ of working as a doctor in public healthcare convinced her that it would be better if it all got privatized lol. Now she's even sympathetic to rightoid politicians.
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I don't really know how old you are, but wasn't it dangerous to espouse such views for quite a time in Chile?
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Can you DM me where you live? I love having internet friends from all over the world. It's really cool to get so many different perspectives.
I've kind of done a 360 in a way, I'm back to my libertarian ethics that I held earlier in HS I'd say. Possibly more centrist, but certainly pro-capitalism.
Honestly hanging out with actual commies is enough to deradicalize. I'm pretty active in my church now (even though I was a pretty hardened atheist at 13) and it's night and day what you can do with a couple normal Jesus followers vs. a crew of burn out college students.
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He is Lithuanian.
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I'm from Latvia, I never really hid that so I have no problem typing it out here. I also am college-educated, I did my degree in England, so I sort-of understand the people you speak of. But at the same time I think it's a much bigger virtue to come to these conclusions regarding politics, philosophy, God and whatever else by yourself, independently, rather than just following whatever you were taught or raised as.
I believe our Archbishop was an atheist for some time in his life, and I really admire him turning around after he read catholic philosophy. It's hard to win, but it is even harder to lose with dignity and accept defeat by admitting you were wrong, which is probably a very dramaphobic statement. I don't think I've mastered that part yet.
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I too travelled from rightoid lolbert as a teen, to soy lib, back to conservative over time (though I'm mostly apolitical these days)
Philosophytube's r-sluration helped me deprogram me from the left, for which I'm thankful
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A significant number of people do, because of second opinion bias. They never become more moderate, they just switch to an equally extreme other side of the horseshoe. They aren't smart enough to question whether the issues in their ideology were due to the wingcuckery or the extremism so they get it wrong.
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Haven't met them irl, but "I fell down the alt right rabbit hole" posts were ten a penny on subs like chapotraphouse.
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Honestly lain's story is common to zoomers. They get all lefty in high school and college because it synergizes with adolescent edginess and there's a wide variety of channels and influencers who know how to appeal to them.
But only trust fund kids really keep that mentality past, I dunno, 28 or so. If they end up with a wagie job with too many shit coworkers and hobo encounters.
If they actually see a union in action.
If they join the military or otherwise travel outside of a tourist resort and see how poor the rest of the world is.
If they go into trades.
Or if they just start making decent money in general.
Their lefty views usually don't survive. It's all surface level anyway
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Low key me yeah.
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She's just a less amusing Stirner all things considered
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80 IQ take, the books are fine it's just the popular (reddit) perception that commands people to shit on them because of author's ideology
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I agree with a lot of Objectivism, she's just a shit writer.
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I was hoping you'd seethe at my reply, I never actually read Rand
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She has monologues that go for a dozen pages. That's worse
than lefty memes.
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It's very nice to see her continue the Homeric oratory tradition
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why bother reading her slop when you can play BioShock and get 90% of what she was saying anyway
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!bookworms
Lia Fáil : irisleaḃar GaeḊilge Ollsgoile na hÉireann by Douglas Hyde
Solenoid by Mircea Cărtărescu
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Malazan. Not because its high brow shit but because you have to remember an intro 5 books ago thats a main plot point.
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