To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Lord of the Rings

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>Are there any IQ 130 books?

!bookworms reminder that must have a very high IQ to understand :#marseyatlasshrugged: :#marseyaynrand:

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Ayn Rand is just a terrible author, that's why you need a high iq to parse what she's saying

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I'll make a post on her in a couple of weeks because even after 40 years being dead she still produces tons of seethe.

As for her writing itself I found "the Fountainhead" mediocre at best.

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I first realized PhilosophyTube was a sycophant when he made a meme video making fun of Rand instead of treating her fairly like his previous videos on Commie philosophers.

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I clocked PT as a commie on the first video of his that popped on my YouTube feed, it was back in 2017 or 2018 I think? It was about "antifa".

I'm not a philosophy-cel so I can't speak for Rand's ideas, maybe the objectivists of !sophistry (if they're any) can help. But Rand's writing is YA tier, her novels are far from literary masterpieces but they're not worse than the average sci-fi/fantasy recommendation that's usually posted on /r/books. And if we're to compare her with 21st century female writers then she would probably rank high lol.

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Rand has no sense of prose, or anything soul beyond description and screeds about objectivism (I don't theoretically disagree with her but if you want to write philosophy just do that).

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>if you want to write philosophy just do that).

The rationalists have Harry Potter fanfiction :hehecat:

edit: you can get the printed (nonprofitly printed by a non profit) version in multiple languages including Hebrew

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:bidenshocked: I remember when rationalists were trying to leave these places, to "inspire rationalism" like the Gideons (club that leaves Bibles in all the hotel rooms and hands them out)

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The Rand video appears to be 2016 so pretty early on when he was literally just doing Philosophy 101 stuff.

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Her fiction-writing is much better than her philosophy

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I was shooting heroin and reading "The Fountainhead" in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief. "Bad news, detective. We got a situation." "What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?" "Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars' worth of bitcoins." The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. "What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?" "Not yet. But mark my words: we're going to figure out who did this and we're going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so." "Easy, chief," I said. "Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair." He laughed. "That's why you're the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins." "Don't worry," I said. "I'm on it." I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside. "Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®" I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. "Nobody move unless you want to!" They didn't. "Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?" No one spoke up. "Come on," I said. "Don't you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?" It didn't seem like they did. "Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I'm just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters." Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn't care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing. I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it. "Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®" I yelled. Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him. "Stop right there!" I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen. I was losing him. "Listen, I'll pay you to stop!" I yelled. "What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I'll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn 'Bob Barr '08' extra-large long-sleeved men's T-shirt!" He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose. "All right, all right!" the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. "I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins." "Why'd you do it?" I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy. "Because I was afraid." "Afraid?" "Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers," he said. "I'm a central banker." I wanted to coldpeepee the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head. "Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street," I said. "No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you'll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom." He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me for arresting him.

-Ayn Rand


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:#marseywoah:

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Don't worry it's just a copy pasta

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I read this every time it's posted

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>He watched PhilosophyTube unironically

I'm invested in Lain lore now, tell me more. Was that during your commie phase you alluded to at some point?

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Yes, I was big on watching commie video essays (BreadTube) back in the mid 10s when I was in HS and directly lead to me becoming a commie.

I was a big /r/chapotraphouse poster back in the day.

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That's really interesting. I'm not a very social person hence my sample size is small, but I've never met a person who did a complete 180 on their views like it seems you did. I also live in a fairly small country, but the closest I came to was the one girl who I talked a lot to in highschool who was the grand-daughter of the owner of one of the very few big businesses we have here becoming a full-on commie during her undergraduate studies abroad in Britain, in a very prestigious university no less. It's hard to understand but the cultural perception of communism and Russian imperialism is very different here as well, us being a former constituent of USSR, so her being an ethnic majority who adapted that view surprised me a lot.

I probably said more than I should have, I just find it very interesting when these things happen. As much of a hypocrite as I am in my actions, I don't think I've ever changed my view on things ideologically. Though I don't know how much of a virtue that really is.

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but I've never met a person who did a complete 180 on their views like it seems you did

I did in real life, my aunt was a communist during college, she participated in anti-government protests, even years after she graduated I remember seeing Marx's Capital and the Che Guevara diaries on her bookshelf. 20 years+ of working as a doctor in public healthcare convinced her that it would be better if it all got privatized lol. Now she's even sympathetic to rightoid politicians.

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I don't really know how old you are, but wasn't it dangerous to espouse such views for quite a time in Chile?

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If a man is not a socialist by the time he is 20, he has no heart. If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain.

Can you DM me where you live? I love having internet friends from all over the world. It's really cool to get so many different perspectives.

I've kind of done a 360 in a way, I'm back to my libertarian ethics that I held earlier in HS I'd say. Possibly more centrist, but certainly pro-capitalism.

Honestly hanging out with actual commies is enough to deradicalize. I'm pretty active in my church now (even though I was a pretty hardened atheist at 13) and it's night and day what you can do with a couple normal Jesus followers vs. a crew of burn out college students.

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Can you DM me where you live?

He is Lithuanian. :hehecat:

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I'm from Latvia, I never really hid that so I have no problem typing it out here. I also am college-educated, I did my degree in England, so I sort-of understand the people you speak of. But at the same time I think it's a much bigger virtue to come to these conclusions regarding politics, philosophy, God and whatever else by yourself, independently, rather than just following whatever you were taught or raised as.

I believe our Archbishop was an atheist for some time in his life, and I really admire him turning around after he read catholic philosophy. It's hard to win, but it is even harder to lose with dignity and accept defeat by admitting you were wrong, which is probably a very dramaphobic statement. I don't think I've mastered that part yet.

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I too travelled from rightoid lolbert as a teen, to soy lib, back to conservative over time (though I'm mostly apolitical these days)

Philosophytube's r-sluration helped me deprogram me from the left, for which I'm thankful :marseyretardchad:

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I've never met a person who did a complete 180 on their views

A significant number of people do, because of second opinion bias. They never become more moderate, they just switch to an equally extreme other side of the horseshoe. They aren't smart enough to question whether the issues in their ideology were due to the wingcuckery or the extremism so they get it wrong.

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I've never met a person who did a complete 180 on their views

Haven't met them irl, but "I fell down the alt right rabbit hole" posts were ten a penny on subs like chapotraphouse.

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I'm not a very social person hence my sample size is small, but I've never met a person who did a complete 180 on their views like it seems you did.

Honestly lain's story is common to zoomers. They get all lefty in high school and college because it synergizes with adolescent edginess and there's a wide variety of channels and influencers who know how to appeal to them.

But only trust fund kids really keep that mentality past, I dunno, 28 or so. If they end up with a wagie job with too many shit coworkers and hobo encounters.

If they actually see a union in action.

If they join the military or otherwise travel outside of a tourist resort and see how poor the rest of the world is.

If they go into trades.

Or if they just start making decent money in general.

Their lefty views usually don't survive. It's all surface level anyway :marseyshrug:

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Low key me yeah.

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She's just a less amusing Stirner all things considered

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80 IQ take, the books are fine it's just the popular (reddit) perception that commands people to shit on them because of author's ideology

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I agree with a lot of Objectivism, she's just a shit writer.

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I was hoping you'd seethe at my reply, I never actually read Rand

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:#marseyoctopus2:

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the books are fine

She has monologues that go for a dozen pages. That's worse :marseylongpost: than lefty memes.

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It's very nice to see her continue the Homeric oratory tradition

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why bother reading her slop when you can play BioShock and get 90% of what she was saying anyway

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!bookworms

Lia Fáil : irisleaḃar GaeḊilge Ollsgoile na hÉireann by Douglas Hyde

Solenoid by Mircea Cărtărescu

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Malazan. Not because its high brow shit but because you have to remember an intro 5 books ago thats a main plot point.

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>Are there any IQ 130 books?

(Eigen in Name)

Sure r-slur.

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you forgot one

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This dude's funny because he just spammed a ton of books off this premise. There's also Twilight and Philosophy and The Office and Philosophy

I remember opening up Iron Man and Philosophy at a bookstore and it contained gems like "Iron Man didn't let the government take his suit. This is an example of objectivism" :marseyfreud:

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I should buy the book. I'm sure my IQ is high enough after watching all those family man episodes.

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not le edgy enough

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Nerd went from descriptive (I have these weird hobbies/interests, therefore I'm a nerd) to prescriptive (I want to be a nerd, here are fandoms that will get me nerd kudos) and whatever was left got crushed by anti-gatekeeping (if you're only reading LotR as a status signal, as is everyone around you, why not swap it out for zero-effort Brando Sando slop?)

Ironically putting books into IQ tiers is part of the problem.

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Im old enough to rember when being nerd made your undesirable. Lowest of the life froms. It wasnt just your hobby and likes. You looked like looser. Those who were smart enough or could hide fact they were nerds or enjoyed nerd stuff hid it. I rember when energy drinks became thing and every energy drink other then red bull was what nerds drank and it was ick.

Then at 2010s it changed and i just dont get it. Also its strange how i once considered myself for being less the nothing for being "nerd" in olden day. See modern nerds absolutely pathetic. Beneath me.

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Holy shit the narcissism is beyond the scale

Not everything is social status and competition some things like just you know you can enjoy and don't care

I like you guys generally but holy frick the average insecure narcissism is truly well beyond any reason

It's painful to see even cause this must be rather miserable

I am so much above you

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RSPiggers aren't welcome here.

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I like you guys generally

Why tho

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The last line of my masterfully crafted comment was a hint

Besides, there are no places on the internet that are truly radically centrist except this fricking pit. Imagine being so r-slurred that you actually believe in shit politicians from one or the other wing say like most of these r-slurs

I could write a whole fricking thesis why I hate any and all internet people and I want to put my hand to making it all burn

Obviously I am here.

My 20th account or so. Tried to quit but god darn I am allergic to morons

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preach love

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brother you are missing something here. the ingroup can enjoy anything while the outgroup cant.

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Fantasy writers get obsessed with worldbuilding while overlooking storytelling.

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Worldbuilding just needs random interesting ideas loosely joined together. Writing needs a developed sense of artistry to be good.

I was at a roleplaying game convention recently and two of the writers on different panels self-admitted to being failed fiction writers before they got into TTRPGs, which I thought was interesting.

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Too bad the worldbuilding is shit too, or just an overt attempt to be original and wow the audience with floating 6 dimenaional megacities.

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:marseytruthnuke#:

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>Are there any IQ 130 books?

!familyman

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If he is a Zoomer this is probably not entirely untrue.

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Basically a labor of Hercules to them.

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Zoomers don't have the attention span to watch lord of the rings :marseyxd: reading it would be a mind r*pe torture

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Well, have you actually read the books? :marseyhmmhips: Can you quote Sir Tolkien, or have you just gotten all your info from the extended theatrical Jackson's movies?

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I have read the books.

I can't quote a single word from them because I forgot it all.

Also I read them in Polish, so even if I made a quote you wouldn't know if I'm making stuff up, or the translation was bad.

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Translation fricking sucks balls even that first lady that mailed Tolkien to consult

Not to mention lack of pretty editions to put on the shelf

Then there are these somewhat prettified editions from one publisher that have fricked up translation on ALL fronts from some moron with Ł in the name

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That's cool

I've never read those books so you could make any shit up and I'd believe it.

Also

>not reading in the original language

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Also

not reading in the original language

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translation reading refuse

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What would you do if I told you I google translate all your comments before reading them?

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I'd say you have really nice TTS on calls

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Yes, the translation really fails to capture the beauty of the original Westron.

:#marseywise:

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:marseypoint2: zoomer

:marseypoint: zoomer

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Don't pretend that being demeaning to groups of people baded on stereotypes is not fun. :marseyindignant:

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Zoomers can't make fun of other zoomers. :marseyindignant:

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Only unintelligent people care about IQ, because IQ just means your ability to take an IQ test.

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It's true. IQ tests said I'm a genius and yet I have an account on rdrama.net

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:marseybrainlet::marseycope:

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It's true, I scored 85% on an IQ test and yet I don't feel like a genius.

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below 100? me too friend, me too - Lil B

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it actually measures your ability to take pretty much any written test, which also correlates somewhat with things like IRL critical thinking skills and insights.

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IQ tests have literally nothing to do with critical thinking, everything to do with memorization.

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they have nothing to do with either but are predictive of skill at both.

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>memorization has nothing to do with intelligence

:marseysurejan:

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Someone failed their IQ test :marseysmug2:

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not true, i got a 73 on it

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Pretty decent. Good enough to stay here.

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Turner diaries is a meme. It's a genuinely awful book to actually read - below even Gor, which incidentally is prone to going off on long tangents about the setting that completely kill any kind of pacing and without regard for the scene they're incidental to

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Hunter is way better

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I think most graduate theses and any resulting books from them are in the 110 to 120 range.


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I read it when I was 9 :marseylongpost: :marseylongpost2: :marseylongpost:

I did not need high IQ to enjoy it, I was a pretty stupid 9 year old.

It took me a few extra years to be able to read a lot of other stuff, because they were boring, or used more difficult language to say little, causing my tiny brain's reading comprehension to drop to 0 :marseyconfused2:

LOTR is about needing to destroy an evil object and not be tortured by monsters :marseyscream: , and Tolkien writes in a straightforward manner. It's not hard to read, just long.

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You don't need a high IQ to read LotR, you need a high level of autism. The pacing of them is dreadful.

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People forget LotR was originally written to send kids to sleep

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LotR is meant to be a simple throwback to old time fairy stories

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I've literally read the hobbit and some of lord of the rings to my children. They're not difficult, just extremely wordy

In LOTR Frodo literally doesn't leave the shire for over a decade after getting the ring until Gandalf comes back and they have the lengthiest conversation about good and evil and the origins of the ring. Its great at putting them to sleep lmao.

You want a heavy butt wordy book that makes you feel like you need a highIQ read Road to Serfdom.

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Aaaaand unsubed. Really a lack of empathy from all these buttholes. We knew this sub was filled with transphobes, but this is bullshit. Trans people are of no fault from their own identity nor from asking to be treated with dignity. The same "gender ideology" that explains trans people explains LGB people. You're just using it as a buzzword, or worse a dog whistle, to make trans into a choice. Actually read some of queer theory, and then make an opinion. And congrats on those generalizing trans people that are defensive as "rabid" like we didn't had to get rabid for our rights. Y'all dumb as bricks.

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he's right. those childrens books are incredibly high IQ books.

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