!bookworms, whenever /lit/'s taste is stacked up against anyone other than BookTok, BookTube, or /r/books, it's immediately apparent what a bunch of /lit/wits they are.
Also, three James Joyce books, but zero Virginia Woolf books? All the evidence you need that they aren't actually reading these. No amount of misogyny would account for a group that loves Joyce leaving To the Lighthouse off the list entirely.
Brothers Karamazov as number 3 is insane to me, same goes for Notes from Underground as noted by @jawbreakeraddict
Dostoevsky is the most overrated "western canon" author, I wonder if he sounds good in Russian because the dialogue on the translation to Portuguese I read is super clunky and I can't tell if that's on purpose.
It's a Dostoevsky thing. Just compare his dialogue with that of Chekhov or even Tolstoy and the difference is stark, both the latter's dialogue comes out as much more natural.
In comparison half of the characters in Brothers Karamazov sound as if they were on the verge of a mental breakdown. It does make for some very funny scenes, I acknowledge that.
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if the bible has taught us nothing else, and it hasn't, its that girls should stick to girl sports.
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uniorincally kill anyone who makes lists of books like this as best books
just the most pretentious stragets possible
ACTUALLY I READ STUFF LIKE THE BIBLE AND MOBY PEEPEE AND 1984 BECAUSE I'M SMART AND WENT TO COLLEGE YOU WOULDN'T GET IT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VERY HIGH IQ TO ENJOY BOOKS LIKE THIS
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if the bible has taught us nothing else, and it hasn't, its that girls should stick to girl sports.
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if the bible has taught us nothing else, and it hasn't, its that girls should stick to girl sports.
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>He doesn't evaluate books in their historical context
1984 was much more relevant when it was written, considering the author's involvement with Spanish revolutionaries etc. It very well described the action of commies despite the author not being directly exposed to them. It was a very good book for it's time
top book in 2024 , number 1 on list a book written 1900 years ago. Half of those books are circlejerks 4chan users trying to prove they are all English majors.
I was the same age the first time I read C&P. What stood strongly in my head was the description of the yellow paperwall on Raskolnikov's apartment, there was something malevolent on that which I could never explain but ever since I associate mental illness to the color yellow. And the dream sequence when Raskolnikov remembers the brute mujik beating a sickly horse to death, it was straight out of a horror story.
One that often gets talked about as really excellent that I really didn't like is "100 years of solitude". I'm curious what you liked about it, because every time I ask people it feels like they read a totally different book than me. The story came off as very anti-human agency, very life-denying. I also thought all the incest and libertarianism and shit eating was really gross.
My first thought after finishing it was that it would be a really difficult read for an ESL or someone who didn't grow up in the west. This book hard-counters the Chinese, in my mind.
According to 4chan, Lolita is the third greatest book ever written in human history. Better than Goethe, better than Shakespeare, better than the Bible. Does anyone actually believe this? Even the biggest Nabokov heads all seem to prefer Ada. But there it is. According to 4chan, every single great novel from outside the (broadly defined) West has come from a single country, which is—of course—Japan. They could have pulled Bloom's excuse, that he was limiting himself to the specifically Western canon, but they couldn't resist throwing Mishima in there.
LMAO
We know very well why they pick Lolita over Ada or Pale Fire.
I enjoyed Pale Fire, it's definetely a really good book but Lolita's prose is just
There's a passage early on the book during the time he's banging Lolita's mom in order to get closer to her that he describes how the mother's "thick peasant thighs" revolt him
I'm about to finish "The Luzhin Defense" which is one his earlier novels written originally in Russian and it is just as great. He does a fantastic work describing a heavily neurodivergent character to a 1930s public that probably didn't know what that even was.
Enjoyed the article, but it doesn't persuade me of its thesis. He raises particular objections to /lit/ and NYT lists, therefore lists of books are bad, QED??? Using either of those lists as a starting point would be vastly superior to grabbing whatever booktok nonsense is shelved at your local bookstore - objecting to lists of quality books on principle seems akin to rejecting any value judgments about books, anti-intellectual nonsense.
I personally find no longer human to be very meaningful because I'm a misanthropic cute twink
But anyone who tries to use it to demonstrate their superior taste is an idiot because its the most blatantly r-slurred piece of shiterature in existence.
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Heart of Darkness: chuds try to read it because they heard it's short and racist, but then they give up when they realize Conrad barely learned English.
Heart of Darkness is so kino. Everyone knows all of the obvious works that were inspired by it but once you read it for yourself you realize just how pervasive its influence is.
Heart of Darkness kinda sucks imo and no i dont know all of the obvious works that were inspired by it, but i hate what it has done to westoids perception of the Congolese interior. Through the Dark Continent : Vol1 however is probably the greatest book i've ever read. Much more interesting and significantly more informative and truthful, but it's probably a tough read for fictioncels
I thought the fact he writes likes he's translating it through two languages is what made it such a great read. It gives the prose this really fever dreamy atmosphere which fits with them all having tropical diseases and experiencing the horrors. Its unintentionally impressionistic and it makes it so special and all of its adaptations have made that a core part.
I also know its popular now to call it a racist book either as a chud or a woke but I think the worst thing it says about the Congolese is that they are no worse than the Europeans. You're supposed to go "but they were better" (which they pretty much were in the Congo) now but it was written at the turn of the century, Europeans are no better than those they try to improve is about as woke a statement you can get for a mainstream novel written then.
Did you ever read "The Grass is Singing" by Doris Lessing?
Is set in 1940s Rhodesia and there's this minor character, a young British man in his early 20s who just arrived to the country as to work as a farm administrator. The Bong brings with him a Cecil Rhodes biography and a bunch of chud books on racial theory.
I think chuds just fantasize with being Mr. Kurtz or with having a life as a white settler in colonial Africa (native servants included). I kept imagining /pol/tards types would 100% be the types to move to places like Rhodesia in the 1940s-1950s or to colonial Jamaica in the 1700s.
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No but in school we read The Power of One about this white savior boy who goes down a mine and becomes a boxer and a hero to all the Blacks of South Africa who love him for boxing and for being the singular not-as-racist white person in Safrica. @Sneedman did you ever read this one? Is it less inspiring if you're not the Magical Mayo?
It is actually impossible to read translated poetry. Anyone that claims to have read it and doesn't speak German is lying or is as smart as someone who would read the dictionary
You can read translated prose poetry from languages close enough to English. Something like Invisible Cities is close enough in English and Italian that you can say you've read it if you've only read the English but actual poetic verse is untranslatable, its worse when people try to claim they've read a classic Chinese poem in English.
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This makes me curious - should I read Invisible cities in Spanish rather than English because they are both romance? English is my mother tongue but I've read in Spanish before and Invisible Cities has been on my list for a while.
I don't know Spanish well enough to really comment tbh. The main English translation is very high quality though, it's the kind of book you read multiple times and it's structure makes comparison very easy too so you could try both. It's my favourite book.
I read Dante's Inferno in Spanish because it is the closest to Italian I can understand. It was a bilingual edition with one page in the original Tuscan and the other in Spanish so it was cool to compare.
But yes, poetry is untranslatable most of the time because the rhymes and verses are lost. Like, how do you even translate Pushkin to English or the Romance languages? The Homeric poems suffer the same issues but most of us plebs have no time nor interest to learn Homeric Greek, so translations it is I guess.
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!bookworms, whenever /lit/'s taste is stacked up against anyone other than BookTok, BookTube, or /r/books, it's immediately apparent what a bunch of /lit/wits they are.
Also, three James Joyce books, but zero Virginia Woolf books? All the evidence you need that they aren't actually reading these. No amount of misogyny would account for a group that loves Joyce leaving To the Lighthouse off the list entirely.
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Brothers Karamazov as number 3 is insane to me, same goes for Notes from Underground as noted by
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Dostoevsky is the most overrated "western canon" author, I wonder if he sounds good in Russian because the dialogue on the translation to Portuguese I read is super clunky and I can't tell if that's on purpose.
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Maybe you'd like things better if you read them in a non-monkey language
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I get the feeling that dialogue in these 19th century books are less about being realistic and more about getting the character's point of view across
Either that or dostoevski has never had a real conversation with anyone, ever.
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It's a Dostoevsky thing. Just compare his dialogue with that of Chekhov or even Tolstoy and the difference is stark, both the latter's dialogue comes out as much more natural.
In comparison half of the characters in Brothers Karamazov sound as if they were on the verge of a mental breakdown. It does make for some very funny scenes, I acknowledge that.
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I dislike his long novels so much
I can't even tell war and peace and anna karenina apart from how much I loath both books
But his shorter stories are pretty good, he should just never be allowed to introduce an entire mexican telenovela worthy of characters
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they always include crime and punishment too and its dosts worst book, and war and peace over anna karenina
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uniorincally kill anyone who makes lists of books like this as
best books 
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ACTUALLY I READ STUFF LIKE THE BIBLE AND MOBY PEEPEE AND 1984 BECAUSE I'M SMART AND WENT TO COLLEGE YOU WOULDN'T GET IT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VERY HIGH IQ TO ENJOY BOOKS LIKE THIS
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why would i read a book about peepees im not gay
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now yer name makes sense!
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Sperm whales r so fricking cool
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Moby Peepee is unironically a banger
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I read Moby Peepee in grade 6 and it fricking sucked.
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1984 lol that book is for 9th graders
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Also !bookworms rate my take on the lit list
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BNW is boring as frick
1984 might be a bit longer than it should but it has amazing writing in certain excerpts
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I somewhat disagree on this. Orwell's idea might seem a bit trite now but didn't he essentially introduce them to public consciouness?
I get what BNW point was but the writing was so bad I had to force myself to finish reading it.
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Soma is just goyslop and BNW is a more feasible type of dystopia.
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Have you read Orwell? Very much the same thing with people accepting Big Brother into their heart.
I know it's a meme but 1984 is genuinely a good book for it's time
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1984 was much more relevant when it was written, considering the author's involvement with Spanish revolutionaries etc. It very well described the action of commies despite the author not being directly exposed to them. It was a very good book for it's time
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Oh, I don't argue against that. I just think that BNW describes better what we could be heading to, genetic engineering included.
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Commies were literally photoshopping analogical pictures to erase people from history
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top book in 2024 , number 1 on list a book written 1900 years ago. Half of those books are circlejerks 4chan users trying to prove they are all English majors.
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The bible being #1 is peak edgy contrarianism
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I like that they didn't even bother dividing it into the Old and New Testament. Maybe they were worried one of them would get left off?
It's also pretty telling that it's the only scripture on there. No Qur'an, no Bhagavad Gita, no Pāḷi Tipiṭaka... Just the Bible.
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The Tao Te Ching is on there. I think the Bible absolutely warrants inclusion, but I agree it should be split (possibly even into individual books)
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aren't those just bad translations of the bible?
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Lol the Bible is edgy now?
Trans lives matter
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Yes. When every politician and journo on the TV is a libtard being a bible thumping christcuck is edgy
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nobody is writing good books anymore
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Where's the caddyshack novelization? !familyman
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Anna Karenina is kino even if it is foidshit, C&P is mid.
Other than that
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C&P holds a special place in my heart because it was the first big boy literature book I read when I was 18
It's been over a decade and the way dostoevski described raskolnikov's anguish after the murders is still imprinted in my brain
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I was the same age the first time I read C&P. What stood strongly in my head was the description of the yellow paperwall on Raskolnikov's apartment, there was something malevolent on that which I could never explain but ever since I associate mental illness to the color yellow. And the dream sequence when Raskolnikov remembers the brute mujik beating a sickly horse to death, it was straight out of a horror story.
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One that often gets talked about as really excellent that I really didn't like is "100 years of solitude". I'm curious what you liked about it, because every time I ask people it feels like they read a totally different book than me. The story came off as very anti-human agency, very life-denying. I also thought all the incest and libertarianism and shit eating was really gross.
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I really enjoyed it, it was so fun to read
It felt very engaging from start to finish, it's probably one of my favorite books
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Brothers Karamazov are kino, besides that I
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Moby Peepee is a hard filter for a ton of people. I don't blame them, it's not for everyone but I personally love the book.
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Heh yeah, i have a decent size folder of these "relationship" comics from 2012ish
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My first thought after finishing it was that it would be a really difficult read for an ESL or someone who didn't grow up in the west. This book hard-counters the Chinese, in my mind.
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Moby Peepee is a joy to read when compared to Joyce's works.
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The Moby Peepee fandom is dying, repost if you're a true peepeehead!
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https://open.substack.com/pub/samkriss/p/against-lists-of-books
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LMAO
We know very well why they pick Lolita over Ada or Pale Fire.
Also, I didn't know Obama was so vanilla.
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Lolita is a lot more interesting than Pale Fire
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I enjoyed Pale Fire, it's definetely a really good book but Lolita's prose is just
There's a passage early on the bookduring the time he's banging Lolita's mom in order to get closer to her that he describes how the mother's "thick peasant thighs" revolt him 
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Nabokov is great, dude was crazy talented at writing.
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He made an incredibly amusing and bitchy character out of a despicable sociopathic libertarian. I don't think many could pull that out.
His literary criticism is just as funny and eloquent.
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A few of the notes in his translation of "Hero of Our Time" are aggressively catty.
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I'm about to finish "The Luzhin Defense" which is one his earlier novels written originally in Russian and it is just as great. He does a fantastic work describing a heavily neurodivergent character to a 1930s public that probably didn't know what that even was.
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Is there any case where this is untrue? Let's say Korea and China count as Japan.
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Enjoyed the article, but it doesn't persuade me of its thesis. He raises particular objections to /lit/ and NYT lists, therefore lists of books are bad, QED???
Using either of those lists as a starting point would be vastly superior to grabbing whatever booktok nonsense is shelved at your local bookstore - objecting to lists of quality books on principle seems akin to rejecting any value judgments about books, anti-intellectual nonsense.
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I personally find no longer human to be very meaningful because I'm a misanthropic cute twink
But anyone who tries to use it to demonstrate their superior taste is an idiot because its the most blatantly r-slurred piece of shiterature in existence.
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The only interesting mishima book I've read was confessions of a mask and it's not on the list
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That's the worst version of the top 100 I've ever seen, 4chan is just full of r-slurred third worlders these days.
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They should add Simulacra and Simulation to their list so they can understand why it's becoming so terrible
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Heart of Darkness: chuds try to read it because they heard it's short and racist, but then they give up when they realize Conrad barely learned English.
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Heart of Darkness is so kino. Everyone knows all of the obvious works that were inspired by it but once you read it for yourself you realize just how pervasive its influence is.
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Heart of Darkness kinda sucks imo and no i dont know all of the obvious works that were inspired by it, but i hate what it has done to westoids perception of the Congolese interior. Through the Dark Continent : Vol1 however is probably the greatest book i've ever read. Much more interesting and significantly more informative and truthful, but it's probably a tough read for fictioncels
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I thought the fact he writes likes he's translating it through two languages is what made it such a great read. It gives the prose this really fever dreamy atmosphere which fits with them all having tropical diseases and experiencing the horrors. Its unintentionally impressionistic and it makes it so special and all of its adaptations have made that a core part.
I also know its popular now to call it a racist book either as a chud or a woke but I think the worst thing it says about the Congolese is that they are no worse than the Europeans. You're supposed to go "but they were better" (which they pretty much were in the Congo) now but it was written at the turn of the century, Europeans are no better than those they try to improve is about as woke a statement you can get for a mainstream novel written then.
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Why do chuds like Heart of Darkness? It's a criticism of colonialism.
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it's a less cucked criticim of colonialism
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low media literacy + scary nosebone neighbors
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Did you ever read "The Grass is Singing" by Doris Lessing?
Is set in 1940s Rhodesia and there's this minor character, a young British man in his early 20s who just arrived to the country as to work as a farm administrator. The Bong brings with him a Cecil Rhodes biography and a bunch of chud books on racial theory.
I think chuds just fantasize with being Mr. Kurtz or with having a life as a white settler in colonial Africa (native servants included). I kept imagining /pol/tards types would 100% be the types to move to places like Rhodesia in the 1940s-1950s or to colonial Jamaica in the 1700s.
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No but in school we read The Power of One about this white savior boy who goes down a mine and becomes a boxer and a hero to all the Blacks of South Africa who love him for boxing and for being the singular not-as-racist white person in Safrica.
@Sneedman did you ever read this one? Is it less inspiring if you're not the Magical Mayo?
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Never read The Power of One but I've heard of it. I did read The Grass is Singing and quite enjoyed it.
Formerly Chuck's.
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I remember that book in school. I can't believe i went around thinking hoppie groenewald was a normal name for a while afterwards
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Maybe it is there. God knows the Boerafrikkanners sound like they're choking on yogurt when they talk.
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i liked it
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I think 80% of this, nobody actually reads but claims they do because it's deep and smart people
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Nah /lit/ is filled with people who are actually neurodivergent enough to have read every single one of these
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Fair, I didn't see that that one was on the list.
Total pseud nonsense.
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I've been filtered by Godel, Escher, Bach and Infinite Jest.
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I get filtered by poems/verses
I tried reading Faust and got bored by page 3
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It is actually impossible to read translated poetry. Anyone that claims to have read it and doesn't speak German is lying or is as smart as someone who would read the dictionary
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You can read translated prose poetry from languages close enough to English. Something like Invisible Cities is close enough in English and Italian that you can say you've read it if you've only read the English but actual poetic verse is untranslatable, its worse when people try to claim they've read a classic Chinese poem in English.
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This makes me curious - should I read Invisible cities in Spanish rather than English because they are both romance? English is my mother tongue but I've read in Spanish before and Invisible Cities has been on my list for a while.
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I don't know Spanish well enough to really comment tbh. The main English translation is very high quality though, it's the kind of book you read multiple times and it's structure makes comparison very easy too so you could try both. It's my favourite book.
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I read Dante's Inferno in Spanish because it is the closest to Italian I can understand. It was a bilingual edition with one page in the original Tuscan and the other in Spanish so it was cool to compare.
But yes, poetry is untranslatable most of the time because the rhymes and verses are lost. Like, how do you even translate Pushkin to English or the Romance languages? The Homeric poems suffer the same issues but most of us plebs have no time nor interest to learn Homeric Greek, so translations it is I guess.
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Ja deutsch englisch Übersetzungen sind unmöglicher als vier mal fünf im kopf auszurechnen dummer hs halt die fresse wenn du keine ahnung hast amk
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A poem about mimes,
it even rhymes!
Ein Gedicht über Pantomimen,
es reimt sich sogar!
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There are some short poems I like but I also get mostly filtered by long ones. I only went through a few pages of "Os Lusíadas" before giving up.
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Literally unreadable lmao this list might as well be "top 100 books i wish i read"
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Fallout Equestria
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HIGH IQ STEMcel lit
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The great gatsby sucks. It just sucks so hard man
It sucked all the c*m out of me when i first read it and continues to do so even to this day
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Into the trash it goes
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I like the trial it is funny
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Don Quixote suuuuuuucks.
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