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Breakthrough in nuclear fusion energy announced :marseynukegoggles:

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-63950962

A major breakthrough has been announced by US scientists in the race to recreate nuclear fusion.

Physicists have pursued the technology for decades as it promises a potential source of near-limitless clean energy.

On Tuesday researchers confirmed they have overcome a major barrier - producing more energy from a fusion experiment than was put in.

But experts say there is still some way to go before fusion powers homes.

The experiment took place at the National Ignition Facility at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL) in California.

Nuclear fusion is described as the "holy grail" of energy production. It is the process that powers the Sun and other stars.

It works by taking pairs of light atoms and forcing them together - this "fusion" releases a lot of energy.

It is the opposite of nuclear fission, where heavy atoms are split apart. Fission is the technology currently used in nuclear power stations, but the process also produces a lot of waste that continues to give out radiation for a long time. It can be dangerous and must be stored safely.

Nuclear fusion produces far more energy, and only small amounts of short-lived radioactive waste. And importantly, the process produces no greenhouse gas emissions and therefore does not contribute to climate change.

But one of the challenges is that forcing and keeping the elements together in fusion requires very large amounts of temperature and pressure. Until now, no experiment has managed to produce more energy than the amount put in to make it work.

The National Ignition Facility in California is a $3.5bn (£2.85bn) experiment.

It puts a tiny amount of hydrogen into a capsule the size of a peppercorn.

Then a powerful 192-beam laser is used to heat and compress the hydrogen fuel.

The laser is so strong it can heat the capsule to 100 million degrees Celsius - hotter than the centre of the Sun, and compress it to more than 100 billion times that of Earth's atmosphere.

Under these forces the capsule begins to implode on itself, forcing the hydrogen atoms to fuse and release energy.

On announcing the breakthrough Dr. Marvin Adams deputy administrator for defense programs at the US National Nuclear Security Administration said that the laboratory's lasers had input 2.05 megajoules (MJ) of energy to the target, which had then produced 3.15 MJ of fusion energy output.

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Dr Melanie Windridge, CEO of Fusion Energy Insights, told the BBC: "Fusion has been exciting scientists since they first figured out what was causing the Sun to shine. These results today really put us on the path to the commercialization of the technology."

Prof Jeremy P. Chittenden, professor of plasma physics and co-director of the Centre for Inertial Fusion Studies at Imperial College London called it "a true breakthrough moment" which proves 'the 'holy grail' of fusion, can indeed be achieved".

This has been the sentiment echoed by physicists globally, who praised the work of the international science community.

Prof Gianluca Gregori, Professor of Physics at the University of Oxford said: "Today's success rests upon the work done by many scientists in the US, UK and around the world. With ignition now achieved, not only fusion energy is unlocked, but also a door is opening to new science."

On the question of how long before we could see fusion being used in power stations, LLNL Director Dr. Kim Budil said there were still significant hurdles but that: "with concerted efforts and investment, a few decades of research on the underlying technologies could put us in a position to build a power plant".

This is progress from when scientists used to say 50 - 60 years in answer to that question.

One of the main hurdles is getting cost down and scaling up the energy output.

The experiment was only able to produce enough energy to boil about 15-20 kettles and required billions of dollars of investment. And although the experiment got more energy out than the laser put in, this did not include the energy needed to make the lasers work - which was far greater that the amount of energy the hydrogen produced.

The amount of energy they've generated in this experiment is tiny - just enough to boil a few kettles. But what it represents is huge for the scientists who've spent so long working on this technology - and for all of us.

The promise of a fusion-powered future is one step closer. But - and there always is a but with these breakthroughs - there's still a long way to go before this becomes a reality.

This experiment shows that the science works. Now it needs to be repeated, perfected, and the amount of energy it generates will have to be significantly boosted.

This is before scientists can even think about scaling the process up.

The other issue is the cost - this experiment has cost billions of dollars - fusion does not come cheap.

But the promise of a source of clean energy will certainly be a big incentive for overcoming these challenges.

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You just beat me, I was half way through writing up the top Daily Mail comments:

This has already been debunked. ONE PORTION of the energy used to make this reaction was achieved, but not including ALL of the energy needed to create this reaction. This is FAKE news directly from the deep state to buoy up support for renewables which are not even CLOSE to being ready to replace fossil fuels. More wishful thinking.

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Frankly I don't believe it. They need to go back over their calculations and measurements and verify everything. I'm fairly confident that they'll discover an error somewhere.

Really makes you think:

Decades ago …but like Einstein the science guys said OMGOSHHH this can be used as a weapon that could end the WORLD? Can they handle it the burden of it?

The Russians already did it:

If Putin is not watering and fertilizing his pants, it ain't worth it. The SAME was achieved by the TOKAMAK fusion reactor (invented by Russians) decades ago.

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Commenting on a Daily Mail article should be grounds for having your voter's registration taken away

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What about commenting on comments on a Daily Mail article on rdrama?

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Should get you a post as a nuclear energy advisor in Joe Biden's government :marseybiden:

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None of these fine fellows are voting, trust me

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Also your genitals

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wouldn't fusion require constant atoms to be fed? where would they come from

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The air, dingus. In the video, there's a scientist with a wooden air blower that pushes the atoms all up in that laser machine.

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atoms from my peepee will collide with the atoms from the back of your throat if you keep being smug

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When the reaction is self sustaining it could be used to power a water electrolysis machine and feed the hydrogen output back into itself, in theory. Some other dramatard could probably do the math on that.

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what happened to the "mass can neither be created nor destroyed" or was that debunked by the standard model-cels?

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It doesn't create mass it just changes how it's organized releasing energy in the process

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then why do stars die?

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When stars "die" they're doing exactly what was just said. The stars don't lose mass. Their reaction levels drop and they shrink down and become incredibly dense. The example you'll hear people repeat when talking about white dwarfs is to imagine taking the sun and squeezing it down into a ball the size of Earth. All that matter is still there, it's just packed in really tight.

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This is rdrama. You should've described it as how when you blast busy, the shit is still there, you're just packing it in.

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This you?

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Because they’re fricking losers lmao

They just get denser, genius

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Not sure how that's relevant to splitting water molecules but I think you're thinking of energy, not mass.

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mass can be converted to energy because they are equivalent. Thus E=mc (squared)

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bro your ² key???

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I'm typing this on a TRS-80. That's the best I can do

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Fusion requires deuterium and and tritium to work. deuterium is fricking everywhere but tritium is man made and they're not sure where they're going to get enough supply to run a power plant. Currently, tritium is a rare byproduct from nuclear reactors.

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The moon

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Jupiter is made of hydrogen and helium

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My peepee

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From the anus of a flying pig. This kind of reaction is never going to be viable at grid scale.

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Fusion will come right when it BTFO's the most parts of the planet that are not the US.

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I can't wait for this to become viable so everyone can shut the frick up about wind turbines and solar and coal and whatever the frick. Gimme that clean fusion energy.

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I can't wait for this to become viable

It will become viable just in time to power your great grandkids bug grinder and power their hour a day of allotted artificial pod light.

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Iirc fusion bombs are triggered by a smaller fission bomb. Obviously power generation is different. But it goes to show the immense amount of energy required. This is more /r/futurology bullshit that is always 10 years away.

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:#marseysal2:

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It's about as far as landing on Mars. Hope it happens in our lifetimes.

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Just give us more funding in 20 years we will do the same experiment again and publish the same results :marseymerchant:

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Yeah, except they just got positive returns...

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They literally did not. The actual amount of power they used was 100x's higher than what they produced. The lower energy figure they are reporting was the amount of power produced by the laser not the amount consumed. This is interesting only in the theoretical sense. This is not commercially viable technology.

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How much power did I use to slam your mother?

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My mother is a :marseychonkerfoid: have some fricking standards. :marseypuke:

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Slam whale holy grail

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Ecologists are already against it.

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Is there really any argument against this sort of thing?

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Yes, nuclear energy has been adopted as a dogwhistle for the far right.

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Only Fusion can reestablish Hyperborea

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Well first and foremost they didn't actually produce more power than they put in used. What they neglect to tell you is that figure is the output of the laser and not the input, which is substantially higher. Newer lasers will be more efficient, but still nowhere near efficient enough to make that statement true. Still a big breakthrough, but it is in no way a viable technology at this point. This is very much a watch this go nowhere in 50 years kind of thing.

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LLNL’s experiment surpassed the fusion threshold by delivering 2.05 megajoules (MJ) of energy to the target, resulting in 3.15 MJ of fusion energy output, demonstrating for the first time a most fundamental science basis for inertial fusion energy (IFE).

https://www.llnl.gov/news/national-ignition-facility-achieves-fusion-ignition

By "deliver," they mean only that electricity which went into the laser? So what aren't the counting? The rest of the building with it's consumption of 1.05 MJ for this brief experiment?

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No. By "delivered energy" they mean the power produced by the laser delivered to the hydrogen (or whatever it was). The power required to actually run the laser was about 100x's higher. Still promising results, but in no form or fashion even remotely close to being commercially viable.

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Interesting. How do you know? :marseybegging:

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Thanks.

Michael Campbell, director of the LLE in Rochester, says NIF’s “wall-plug” efficiency—the amount of energy drawn from the grid that is deposited on the fusion fuel—is about 0.5%.

Can't stand redditor's complete inability to quote things.

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Lmfao, no wonder this is such non-news.

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It literally says so in the article

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And what about the energy spent to grow the scientists food???

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By "deliver" they mean the output of the lasers -- not the actual power used to power the lasers. The conversion of electricity to LAZAR BEAMZ has an efficiency of like 1%. This is still a first, but actual self-powered reactors are a long way off. LIke 2050 at best

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Whether it will actually work

People said the same thing about Nuclear back in the 60's and look where we are now

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look where we are now

First world countries shutting down reactors to appease globalist ghouls?

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It is stupefying watching rightoids and climate change activists alike cheer when a nuclear plant is shut down

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Rightoids hate nuclear?

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Rightoids still shill hard for Johnny Coalminer, not to mention running a nuclear power plant is a white collar job, so they're not a fan of it

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No one shills for coal anymore bruh. Maybe natural gas but that’s it

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There are some that do but it's because their lives literally still depend on coal.

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No, rightoid twitter is sneeding harder about nuclear shutdowns than anyone, the guy you replied to is just r-slurred.

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Against fusion generally? No. It's the greatest energy source we could possibly harness and the investment will eventually be worth it.

This "breakthrough" isn't something to get your hopes up over though. This is a minor incremental improvement on fusion tech at best. Fission is actually practical for electricity production and will remain the best energy-dense power source for the foreseeable future.

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I just want a heated drive way so I don't have to clear ice anymore

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Hmm sorry eggheads but this potentially limitless source of energy is a threat global secruity and solidarity :marseyglow:

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:#marseydarkpizzashill: The Democratic RethugliKKKan Party will collapse by 2030. :#marseydarkpizzashill:

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Man imagine how optimistic people must have been when people first landed on the moon. Look how far we've come since then. Surely this latest thing will also lead to great achievements.

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Im not gonna read all of that but if this is true, and they had a total net energy gain including heat loss and the exorbitant energy needed to start the reaction, this is huge.

I doubt it though for some reason.


This morning, Cum went to the park. I went with Coom. And Cum brought Coomer frisbee. At least I think it was Coomers. By the end of the day, Cum started throwing the frisbee to Cumself.

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I doubt it though for some reason.

The reason I am so doubtful of it is because if it was true there'd be companies and governments lining up for it already. Doesn't matter how small of a scale this was performed, they claim they got 50% more energy out than they put into one of the most accessible elements available on earth. There'd be a gold rush to get access to the research and patent generators.

Either it really is true and a huge deal, or our societal and medias coverage priorities are hugely out of whack.

edit: turns out its completely false, they excluded the energy used to power the lasers :marseyxd:

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Doesn't fusion need tritium which is rare as frick and needs nuclear reactors to produce?

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Maybe they should make more nuclear reactors then. :marseyshrug:

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not rare if you know the right guys

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It's not huge at all. Until they're approaching "there is enough excess energy to pay for the cost of the reactor" all achievements are just arbitrary goalposts.

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Waiting to hear that a rounding error occured and no they aren't actually....

Oh wait:

And although the experiment got more energy out than the laser put in, this did not include the energy needed to make the lasers work - which was far greater that the amount of energy the hydrogen produced.

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I don’t believe it

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Watch this go no where and we never hear about this again. Just like every other gay butt science "breakthrough" last 12 years.

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Can one of you nerds tell me: is this real or going nowhere in 2 weeks?

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:marseysal:

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Real Engineering put a video about this out two days ago. Now it's already outdated. :marseyxd:

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It works by taking pairs of light atoms and forcing them together

The discovery of "light atoms" must have been such a breakthrough

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Luxury gay space communism soon?? :soyjakfront:

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:#marseylongpost::#marseymushroomcloud:

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Oh boy I'm sure this isn't overhyping a minor accomplishment to get more funding and interest

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:#marseydarkpizzashill: The Democratic RethugliKKKan Party will collapse by 2030. :#marseydarkpizzashill:

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For fissioncels

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