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Climate doomers ponder which parts of North America will still be habitable in 2030-2050 :marseyplanet: :marseyxdorbit: :marseyburn: Dramatards where will you move?

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/1dl2k1f/what_areas_in_north_america_will_still_be/

								

								

North is the operative word here

51d latitude here, plenty of heat domes, floods, harsh freezes, massive forest fires. Canada and particularly further North is one of the areas hardest hit by climate change ... so far, lots of fresh water though. Yay.

That was true when the poles were frozen, I would venture to say that altitude is more important than longitude or latitude at this point.

:#marseycanada: :#marseyeh:

Florida because climate change is illegal there.

Ahh nice refreshing waves coming through the neighbors old house, and to think of the property value now cause last year It wasn't beachfront property. I wonder what home insurance companies call the new increased fee's - wave liquification of property? annual sea level raise fee?

Florida dumb amerite? :#marseysting:

Can we make a distinction between "habitable" and "desirable?" Sure, it's possible to survive just about anywhere. That doesn't mean that, given the opportunity, people who live in places that are miserably cold, hot, humid, flood-prone, dry, etc. would not GTFO. My fear is that my property in a hot, dry place will be so undesirable in 20 years that I won't be able to afford to pack up and move someplace less depressing. Definitely a first-world problem! 6+ months of lethal heat outdoors, a failing electrical grid, and dwindling drinking water is grim.

Well, at least this one is more realistic

10 years, easily most, if not all of the northern US and Canada. Wouldn't put any bets on 2040 and beyond though...

Lmao, some people unironically believe the “world will end in 10 years”. Let's check his profile :marseyreading:

>r/collapse, /r/australian, /r/canadiansoccer, /r/alberta, /r/canadianhousing, /r/nicaragua, /r/australia

!ifrickinglovescience !physics

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The "regional climate collapse" narrative is nothing more than neoliberal propaganda to have pretext to bring trillions of subsaharans and jeets into the economic zones to trash wages. Never take a climate doomer who doesn't have genocide as first priority seriously.

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That reminded me of a thread on /r/neoliberal the other day where a poster claimed a strong argument for open borders now was to mentally prepare Americans to let in and house the millions of climate refugees that will be coming into the US in the next few decades.

And I was thinking, the US will let them die or kill them at the border before that becomes a reality lmao.

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But my point is this narrative relies on the delusion that North America is somehow uniquely situated to house climate migrants. There's parts of US/Canada now that people can't breathe all summer from the forest fire smoke.

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Forest fires are only so bad because we put them out and don't let them burn naturally. Canada is doing fine with climate change and a ton of land will become arable farmland, it's actually a plus :marseyletsgo:

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Canada also has this whole area that's basically like "frick you i'm a rock" lol

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17191057815447385.webp

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There's still plenty of land area in the white section that's currently too cold to grow in places like Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta to BC

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Yeah it'll unlock huge parts of good soil, and it's not NA's existing farmland was particularly appealing in its time anyway. The Great Plains was so unsuitable for farming that they had to give it away for free. Now it produces most of America's crops.

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This is the stupidest shit I've ever heard. "The Great Plains was [sic] so unsuitable for farming that they had to give it away for free." Um no? It was highly arable. It was given away for free or extremely cheaply to people who would "improve the land," and they came in droves

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But is it really farmable that far north? It might be warm but will it get enough sun?

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they get like 24/7 sun in the summar

even if it's weaker

the problem is frost free growing season too short rn

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24/7 sun isn't good for plants tho

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idk abt crops

I thought it was weak flowers and stuff that cower from the orb :marse!ysun:

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It fricks with their vegetative and flowering cycles (the crops are the flowers) if you left corn under 24/7 sun it'd probably grow tall but never produce corn

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We can have the Asians in the biogenetics lab work that out

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The summers in Canada have a ton of sunlight, more than most parts of the world

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Maybe if we raked the forests, there wouldn't be so many fires. Nothing to do with climate change.

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Maybe if we beat and shot the arsonists on sight, there wouldn't be so many fires. Nothing to do with ornery Indigenous church burners.

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Climate refugees will be more of a thing in Europe than in the United States. Africa and Asia are right at the European doorstep while Central America doesn't even have a fraction of the population of those continents. I wouldn't underestimate !americas resilience either, back in the 1940s it was all doom and gloom about how Mexico was on the verge of starvation and those predictions aged like milk thanks to the Green Revolution.

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The US has two big butt oceans, and Mexicans who can be paid $15 an hour to kill South Americans for us on their side of the Rio Grande.

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South Americans

South Americans from equatorial latitudes will move to Argentina, Chile, South Brazil or the Andean regions.

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You underestimate the neighborrdiness of Venezuelans

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Most Venezuelans went to Colombia, Peru, Chile, Argentina and of course, Brazil (there's like 250k here and millions in Colombia).

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climate refugees are a myth LOL global warming is fake

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Norman Borlaug did more for mayo extinction than anyone else in existence

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Redditors love to argue that climate change will cause millions of new refugees to try to enter the US and Europe... meanwhile I'm like, what? What makes you think they will be let in? Have you been paying attention? /r/europe is practically indistinguishable from TheDonald now when it comes to immigration. Just a few million migrants made normally woke European Redditors turn right-wing on immigration because Redditors love to be compassionate as long as it doesn't inconvenience them in any way, but as soon as something actually affects their lives they change their tune.

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The people of europe have been against mass immigration since at least 2015, but the elites want it, so the EU has been getting another million of diverse young men each year since. The only thing that seems to have an effect is election gains for the far-right, that scares the elites into finally doing something.

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Why wouldn't the US do something profitable with them?

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Using them as biofuel would work but that still requires killing at the border

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The US will just enlist Mexicans to kill them.

Burgers might not be able to tell South Americans apart but the Mexicans can.

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South Americans don't migrate to the US in large numbers. The latinx illegals are 90% Mexican, Central American or Caribbean

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Day After Tomorrow taught me that everyone will actually need to move to global south when the Gulf Stream collapses.

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Day After Tomorrow

That film is so incredibly dumb, besides the ham fisted message, tsunamis out of nowhere (climate related how?) and inland freezing hurricanes there's a scene where Dennis Quaid runs away from the cold lol.

!kino !ifrickinglovescience

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Science denier!

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I love that movie its just silly fun. Whenever I crave disaster porn movies, I put it on. Holds up well.

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Why would they need to do that when they already can just use Mexicans and Latinx? :marseyconfused:

And climate doomers are specifically fixated on the western world getting turned into an apocalyptic hellscape because of climate change. Where are you getting the idea that libs are arguing that North America is a climate haven from?

Western countries don't need an excuse to import truckloads of turd worlders, if they want they just do so like Canada. In America even libs are trending negatively towards immigration, including Latinx immigrants themselves.

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Frick you. Summers are getting hotter every year. There were way more bugs 20 years ago. If you won't fix this shit then we are coming over end of story. So get your shit together and start putting the carbon back into the ground.

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Yeah. The point of the narrative is to give another excuse to justify further "asylum" claims with no need for vetting or restriction

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Don't think their goal is to bring in nigs but sexy Indian dudes since I never heard of people talking about how climate change make sub-Saharan Africa inhospitable but only the South Asian continent.

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https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1dlmp57/selfcare_in_the_age_of_collapse/

https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1dl4y4f/there_is_realistically_no_way_to_get_the_rich_to/

!anticommunists !neolibs that fricking sub is a goldmine

I don't think there's anything we can do, at least not legally.

Legal and moral are usually 2 different ballgames.

:#marseyglow:

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They're right though !terroristsympathizers

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wtf they deleted my ping group

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:#marseycopeseethedilate:

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make one called esoterrorism

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17191005545072057.webp

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Is this just a pic that goes hard or is there an ideology here

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Tetragrammacide, black/death metal from India, anti-Islam, totalitarian, and occult themes. Sounds like this

!metalheads

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It's an allegory of Turdeau I believe.

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Climate change doomers unironically make me seethe. Yes, climate change is real. Yes, it's going to cause some pretty serious global upheaval over the next 80 years. No the world is not going to be uninhabitable by 2050. The biggest issue for most first world nations will be dealing with the climate refugees fleeing from areas that actually do become uninhabitable.

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Heck in 2100 Michigan will be the climate equivalent of what Missouri is today. The US will be fine for the most part, like you said, it's gonna be the Sahel and places like that which will become uninhabitable.

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Yes but what will Missouri be like in 2100

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Missourable :marseysmug:

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We'll all be dead by 2100 lol. Some of our zoomers may still be alive but too old and decrepit to care.

But here's a map

https://impactlab.org/map/#usmeas=absolute&usyear=1986-2005&gmeas=absolute&gyear=1986-2005

With different emissions scenarios.

RCP 8.5 is the worst case scenario, it implies continuous growth in CO2 emissions for the rest of the century. RCP 4.5 is the trajectory we are currently heading, though RCP 7 is not discarded.

!ifrickinglovescience

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Some of our zoomers may still be alive but too old and decrepit to care.

!zoomers !metashit !followers me in 2124, the cybernetically augmented BWC Mk. VIII, posting WMAF racebait onto the Dramacorp™'s NeuroNet™ database, after the Cyberdrama™ code fused with President Aevann™'s cyberbrain™, in the White Male + Asian Female BWC breeding district in the cybercity of Neo-Tokyo™

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Kino

The only constant… is racebait :marseydepressed:

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:#marseyxd:

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>Average 75°F to 81°F in June/July/August

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17190976485464828.webp

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blessing for !pnw cels (june might not be chilly)

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I'll be alive oldhead

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Lol.

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>what will happen to Missouri

>subsaharan africa will become uninhabitable

What part of this is unclear

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Idk I live north of them. Generally the Midwest is going to get wetter along with hotter, though, so I will be farming rice in Iowa eventually.

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it was a trick question, who gives a frick about missouri

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Who cares?


:!marseybooba:

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Climate change may be real. But to blame it on plant food sure seems like the dumbest claim possible. Any STEMcel who has ever done a simulation of anything can tell you that everything just suddenly explodes from a 5% error in calculation. Can't predict tomorrow's weather but climate in 50 years no problem :marseyshrug:

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Yeah, it's pretty r-slurred. !ifrickinglovescience Next they'll be telling me macroeconomists can predict the next bust.

:marseyemojirofl:

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Any STEMcel should know that predicting an individual trajectory of a chaotic system is infinitely harder (1) than predicting the probability distribution of states even far into the far future(2).

(1) the required accuracy of the model, and of the initial state, must increase exponentially with the desired length of time that's to be simulated.

(2) in an autonomous system that distribution converges for t->infty, and if the system is noisy (satisfying some mild assumptions) it is a smooth density which changes continuously under changes of the model (an epsilon error between the model and the actual system only leads to an O(epsilon) error in the predicted density), and finally what they're actually trying to predict is not even the probability distribution of states itself, but some quantities (e.g. temperature) averaged over that distribution, which are even less sensitive to model inaccuracy.

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We just gotta invent robots and get the third world to wipe themselves out in the next 50 years then.

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We need to start subsidizing video games there now

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Just do some geo-engineering. It's simple and not hard and once we decide to do it all this discourse will look silly and dumb

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That would actually solve the problem, though. They want to complain and use it as a cudgel

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How else are we gonna force socialism on people?

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he biggest issue for most first world nations will be dealing with the climate refugees fleeing from areas that actually do become uninhabitable.

Just kill them. They're overbreeding as it is anyway.

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AI will either solve climate change by 2050 of kill us all. I can't be bothered by it.

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You know where else became uninhabitable? Pompeii and Krakatoa.

Solar activity look it up.

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>pretty serious in 80 years

:#marseysurejan:

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when global warming hits u and fries u and gegagedigedagedago

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All of these predictions beyond "idk it will be maybe .5c hotter are pulled out of their butt and based on hysteric Malthusian nonsense. We don't know. There may be more variablity but any claims are wildly extrapolated (for grantbuxx, of course).

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1719102183121843.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17191021837420053.webp

https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/p/what-the-ipcc-actually-says-about

Edit: Most of the HNNNGGG Climate Refugees are cumming shit neglects the fact that the most of the US isn't better situated than the rest of the Americas, the majority of Mexico is Subtropical Highland, not desert like Hollywood portrays. Much of Central America is highland with significant water resources.

These r-slurs just feel a heatwave and go "it's gonna be too hot to live" as if it doesn't get much hotter in places like India where people live without AC

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we were all supposed to be underwater and/or burned to death by current year

like 3 or 4 times

IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING NOW THE WORLD WILL END BY 1990! I MEAN 2000! I MEAN 2010! I MEAN 2020! I MEAN 2030!

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lmao I'm !genx

I realized the errors of the !boomers and knew they fricked over me and the !zoomers.

I'll be dead before I have to care.

Later cute twinks!

!ifrickinglovescience

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Oldheads be 🧢 ☠️☠️☠️

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What's gen x?

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End times eschatology for dumb(er) people

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Millennials more like millenarians

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Millenials. More like mistakes

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>Luckily governments across the globe are being super cool about immigration… it's not like it's gonna get 100 times worse over the next few decades or anything.

:#marseyfacepalm:

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Definitely not Chile

:#platyblizzard:

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funny enough MD will soon be considered a tropic zone. Wife and I planted two banana trees last year and they're actually growing.

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we cnt even get banans to grow in texas they freeze every year :marseyfluffyannoyed:

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lol how? even florida is only classified as humid subtropical.

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Maybe tropic was the wrong word but basically we're getting Georgia weather now

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:marseyflag#alaska:

going asap climate chungus or not

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Based. This man chooses the bear over all of society.

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