/r/climatechange continues to attract r-slurs from /r/collapse which is sad because I don't think there's any serious sub to discuss climate change and it's effects on a rational way. The problem is not that climate change is not problem, a 2.5-3C (the scenario we're currently heading) rise above pre industrial levels until 2100 will be dreadful as impacts in agriculture will cause food insecurity in many countries.

The problem is collapsecels taking the most over the top non-scientific claims and presenting them as truth

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/1bl1ore/do_you_think_that_when_severe_climate_change/

I think quality of life is going to crash over the next 100 years and long term survival of the human race is 50/50.

>Uhm, end of the century is only 76 years away. What populations do you think will be less in that time? Reducing the population of Gaza by genocide has produced worldwide political effects which will take probably 76 years to play out. You will need the equivalent of Gaza happening world wide for 6 months to reduce world population by 5%. I don't think you will have a single entity recognisable as society that will survive that carnage. Certainly no worldwide cooperation between genocidal warlords will be towards carbon mitigation.

Some

Some say that the warming in the pipeline is enough to send humanity off the proverbial cliff even if we stop all emissions tomorrow. And I'm talking full blown extinction. Frankly, seeing as how it's much easier to stick a wrench in a motor and blow it all apart than it is to build the motor, I think that's absolutely the case. We've stuck a wrench in the carbon cycle and there's no unsticking except MAYBE with miracle level tech like a room temp superconductor. Really want to be proven wrong.

>In terms of raw energy usage growth, if we continue as we have (human or AI & Bots, or both), by 2190s Antarctic ice fields will have all melted. 1000 years from now we will be 18 degrees Celsius warmer. 2000 years from now Earth will become Venus 2.0

Now this guy is talking about runaway greenhouse effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaway_greenhouse_effect

Which no respectable climate scientist claims will happen even in worst case scenarios.

I would not be shocked if by 2030 we're looking into the abyss, so to speak. Climate wise, the 20s may be the last “good” decade for our species.

Some bonus

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/1bjv3lq/rising_ocean_temperature/

I'm more concerned with rising ocean temperatures and the effect that would have on the primary source of oxygen. Phytoplankton, what impact will that have because if they go thats it, everything goes. We can exist without sea life, people will miss seafood food but it wouldn't be the end. Lack of oxygen, definitely the end.

Again with the “Phytoplankton is going extinct! We'll suffocate!”, something doubtful even taking ocean acidification in account. https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn28391-oceans-hidden-green-plankton-revealed-by-fixing-glitch-in-model/

https://www.pbs.org/wnet/peril-and-promise/2022/07/atlantic-oceans-plankton/

Even if that marine doomsday scenario happened plants would still produce oxygen, and even if all photosynthesis magically stoped it would take millions of years for oxygen to vanish from our atmosphere, that's the type of ridiculous scenario they take as truth along with the “we'll turn into Venus”.

Bottom text

??? Gambit is cool i thought

But critics argue that even studying the possibility of solar geoengineering eases the societal pressure to cut greenhouse gas emissions.

If an Imperial Star Destroyer crashed into Manhattan: pic.twitter.com/66pjZsmV3G

— AlphaFo𝕏 (@Alphafox78) March 18, 2024

Every single one is bloated as fuuuck and all seem to be written in javascript and require electron.

All the terminology is written in marketingspeak. Like you can't just make a new page of text, you have to open the 'command palette' or 'create a new canvas'

UIs are full of junk like a big popup notification 'delete successful!' you don't need a notification for that wtf tell me if not successful otherwise shut up

Such a simple program shouldn't be this difficult to develop.

Sometimes I come across stuff like this, where there are enough r-slurs willing to spend money that a whole ecosystem of bullshit pops up trying to sell to them. Similar feels to when I have to research buying a new smartphone

This guys is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogo_(musician)#Controversies

Bertke was criticized for a 2015 video that derided feminists as gold diggers and "making misogynist arguments against women's rights". He later claimed that it was made "to impersonate the radical right".

In a YouTube livestream that was uploaded in 2016, Bertke stated that he has a "fairly robust resentment of the gay community". In the same video and on the topic of the Orlando nightclub shooting, a terrorist attack at a gay bar in Florida in 2016, he said, "It amazes me to see the West welcoming a culture through the floodgates that wants gays dead. I think that's fantastic". Bertke later claimed to not have any hate for the gay community and also claimed Asperger syndrome and bipolar disorder as contributing factors. He stated that the video was made in bad taste and that he never intended for it to go public, although he also stated that he was trying to "impersonate the far-right and create hysteria", noting that the video was made around the time of the 2016 American election. YourEDM compared his "homophobic rhetoric" to the 2015 video, which he similarly tried to explain as a social experiment. Writing for The Verge, Megan Farokhmanesh saw this explanation as a transparent attempt at plausible deniability.

!chuds !trekkies

Retaliatory strike simulation after Putin's nuclear use pic.twitter.com/8gEtyA4WJv

— Insane Reality Leaks (@InsaneRealitys) March 14, 2024

Dramacels, !spacechads, what are some of the most ludicrous, possibly wrongful and reddity pop sci videos/channels you've come across?

My thumbnail example is a Kursgesagt video about Terraforming Venus.

I know they try to make it as “scientifically sound” as possible, but the whole idea sooooo incredibly far-fetched, it involves building giant planet size mirrors to cover sunlight from Venus so the CO2 in the atmosphere freezes, followed by harvesting nitrogen from Titan and removing all the frozen CO2. Not to mention water from Europan ice and another giant mirror to provide day/night cycles (as Venus is almost tidally locked).

Another is their Dyson sphere video

Which includes disassembling Mercury

They also have these pop physics videos where they try to convey some “deep” philosophical ideas like this one.

>LE BOLTZMANN BRAINS by the way, what do physic-cels here think of this concept, is this even taken seriously?

>THEY MADE A REFERENCE TO THE CURRENT THING

@Geralt_of_Uganda I remember you made a thread on them once

/r/solarpunk is a sub for those interested in “solarpunk aesthetics” which means carbon free degrowth utopias for their scifi stories/games, etc.

Naturally their zero CO2 emissions world has no place for planes.

https://old.reddit.com/r/solarpunk/comments/113j3et/how_do_we_travel_overseas_in_a_solarpunk/

>We travel across oceans in blimps and sail boats.

>I imagine solar sail boats or potentially algae powered? It would need to be something regenerative and we would need to sacrifice speed. There is no “weekend in Paris” and is a bit more arduous.

A bit arduous is quite an understatement

>Without the pressure of a capitalist rat-race, I hope people take traveling sabbaticals. These will by design not be quick. So, hitching a ride on a freighter (sail/ammonia/solar powered) or using a hydrogen-filled dirigible to get around seem like good options.

Once we get rid of capitalism everyone will be free to sail around the world

This is literally how it was done for all of history until the mid-1800s.

Sailing across the oceans was quite dangerous back then, I doubt redditcels will enjoy being in the middle of the Atlantic during a storm.

https://old.reddit.com/r/solarpunk/comments/r267s1/the_future_of_long_distance_air_travel_airships/

sail boats. people will have a lot more time to travel. in fact the voyage will be as important as the time spent in the destination, if not more important.

in fact i'm willing to bet that, in the future people will spend way more time travelling the world than we do now. because our "union" will not be because we share products it will be because we will share experiences.

humanity will not be tied economically it will be tied because we, our friends and family will have shared real experiences all around the world. no longer people will look at someone else from another country as another species because we will all travel around the world.

Bonus, some discussion on their meme ideologies

https://old.reddit.com/r/solarpunk/comments/1bbgodf/political_ideologies/

>Most compatible:

>Eco-Anarchism

>Communalism/democratic Confederalism (Bookchin-Ocalan/Rojava model)

>Most forms of Socialism.

>Least compatible:

>Neoliberalism

>Any type of Fascism (including Eco-Fascism)

>Any theocratic ideologies

Oh no !neolibs bros

Lot's of “wholesome degrowth”

!anticommunists

https://old.reddit.com/r/solarpunk/comments/184t7r7/green_growth_or_degrowth_what_is_the_right_way_to/

/r/climatechange used to be an interesting sun to have rational discussions on evidence based news and papers on climate change. This thread for instance was made specifically to tackle the most anxious worst case scenario alarmists.

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/aqdmbz/im_afraid_climate_change_is_going_to_kill_me_help/

Up until a year ago the sub treated Climate Change on a similar way as the scientific community did, a very serious global problem that will cause the unnecessary deaths of millions and displacement of dozens of millions not to mention the costs caused by damage and rising sea levels.

Some examples

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/k1vyxo/scared_and_uncertain_about_collapse/

>In my opinion /r/collapse is not a credible source for information about climate change. The users of the subreddit hardly ever seem to caution their statements with evidence, sources, or citations to the scientific literature, and much of it is simply just slippery-slope argumentation with the predetermined goal of claiming that civilization will collapse in the next few years. If you want to learn about climate science I would suggest you look for sources that have some kind of academic credentials in a relevant field, and most importantly who cite their claims directly from the published literature. But that's just my opinion.

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/cy8j91/prediction_by_extinction_rebellions_roger_hallam/

>Don't tell that to /r/collapse, they think it'll be 20 billion and the clathrate gun will boil us all alive.

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/ynwqms/when_will_climate_change_end_the_world/

>It will create new challenges for humans for a new reason. Displacement not due to war but due to floods etc. Hunger due to climate change combining with the raft of other reasons people are now hungry. It will impact the poorest people in less developed countries the most, and the richest in the developed countries the least. The poor have far less buffer before they are impacted than the rich.

>Most people on Earth will be fine and it will just change the flavour of life as we know it, not stop us being sustained.

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/j0saqd/is_overpopulation_really_not_a_big_deal_even_when/

However during the last few months the sub received an influx from /r/collapse and now they're favoring the fringiest of worst case scenarios to the point of claiming the human race will go extinct or that society will collapse in a couple of decades.

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/16q4nwt/to_people_who_think_climate_change_will_cause/

>For example, phytoplankton make about 50% of our breathable oxygen. They die if the ocean pH gets too low or temperature gets too high. This is happening. It's therefore reasonable to assume the makeup of our atmosphere may exit the very fine balance required for humans to breathe.

>Don't forget about refugee crises, an increase in nationalist violence against immigrants, and also, RESOURCE WARS! It's not just gonna be some storms and flooding, there will be millions of refugees and billions in disaster relief, in addition to impacts on global supply chains.

>What leads you to believe we will survive?

>Did you notice how many people died in floods this year? Phoenix was 120 degrees half the summer. People can't survive that for long.

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/1bajchm/florida_and_climate_change/

Of course books like “Limits of Growth” have become mainstream among them

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/190kil7/3040_years_ago_was_the_situation_the_world_is_in/

>The Limits to Growth was written in 1972 and modeled well what is happening.

>What? First of all, that repot does not even address the topic of climate change. But regardless of that, it's spectacularly wrong, demonstrably so. https://reason.com/2012/04/18/the-limits-to-growth-40-year-update/

Also “The Population Bomb”

>Check out the book, Population Bomb in 1968, foretold most of what is happening and why. People still don't see population growth as the #1 problem we face.

This is a book which predicted mass famines in India with hundreds of millions dead happening as early as the 1980s, subsequent editions changed that to the 2000s, the author is still alive and claims he was right about everything and continues to double down.

https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/1bbdjdt/opinion_im_a_climate_scientist_if_you_knew_what_i/

Druggos please confirm whether or not youve see them. The paper is called What Geometric Visual Hallucinations Tell Us about the Visual Cortex.

Your brain does secret coordinate transforms it turns out

I just think it's funny that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hahn