EFFORTPOST 24% interest on a current car loan and eyeing a Tesla for as a third car

https://youtube.com/watch?v=w9mhzx10Fk8

Daniel, 22, Lubbock TX

His other half overrode the financially savvy asian half :marseycry:

Self-rated - 6/10

Personal Life:

  • "Barely 22"

  • Why'd you go in to the debt?timestamp

    • "Well it's a long process"
  • Went to a trade school, Universal technical institute

    • Automotive, certified in Volvos
  • Friend encouraged him to come on the show, doesn't watch the show himself

  • "Last year I got myself into a predicament"

    • "I moved out by myself and I was paying so much in rent I didn't really think it through so last year was a year where I really struggled and this year is a year where I really tried to step it up"

Career:

  • A Volvo technician

  • 52'000 a year pre-taxes

  • Lives in Lubbock for his job

Expenses/Debts:

  • Credit Card - $1'628

    • Not spending on it while paying it off, made $200 payment (way more than minimum)

    • 35% interest, talked them down to 18%

    • "I honestly don't remember how I got so high up in debt, I think I did pay off some student I think I paid off a class and it really set me behind and then I used my credit card to get a car"

      • Put the downpayment on the card :marseyxd:
  • Collections (1) - $972

    • Medical Debt

    • When he was living in Arizona, not working at the time, wasn't feeling well

    • Two years ago, not something that will repeat

    • Wants to pay credit card off before this

    • "They can't report medical debt on your credit if it's less than $500?"

    • Tried to negotiate but failed, only tried once

    • Been in collections since last year?

  • Student Loans (4) - $12'000

    • Federal but he thought they were private

    • Around a $150 minimum payment

  • Maco debt toolbox? timestamp

    • 18% interest rate

    • Toolbox itself was 6'500

    • Owes 9'500

    • Minimum monthly is $180

    • There's something weird later on where he thinks it shows up differently on his credit report timestamp

    • Missed a payment at some point?

  • Car Loans (2) - $30'638

    • "I have two cards, I'm thinking about getting a third, a Tesla"

    • "Well you save on gas, yuh know, it's always nice to have three cars"

    • "I have one car, the other ones from my mom, it wouldn't hurt to get another one... it's always an investment"

    • "My mom needed a car so I bought her a car under my credit"

      • "She's in a financial situation as well"
    • Sion IM 2016

      • 19'000

      • "I'm pretty sure it's overpriced... it's just my mom really needed a car"

      • Put down $2'000

      • 13% interest

      • "That's the cheapest they had on the lot" "I was in a tight schedule with work"

      • 72 months

      • "Well at the end of it I'm not really paying for it, Mr.. pushes up glasses Hammer, my mom is" timestamp

        • The plan is once she buys a house she will buy the car off him with her credit?
    • Ford Focus 2019

      • 11'703 remaining

      • 103k miles

      • 2 for one deal with the other car :marseyemojirofl:

      • He's not sure about the term or the interest rate

      • 9'000 downpayment?

      • $312 minimum payment

      • 24.39% interest

  • :marseychonker2: Trashes In n out and Red Robin timestamp

Savings/Retirement:

  • High Yield Savings with Amex:

    • $866 => $1'066

    • 4% interest

  • Investment Account

    • All part of the Acorns

    • $200 in one

    • $300 in another

    • No match

Budgeting Conversation:

  • Under contract at job, can't leave until it's over, Feb of next year, plans to move back home after timestamp

  • Putting money into a "Christmas Fund" at work

  • Doesn't pay renter's insurance timestamp

    • Apartment is under his roommate's insurance?

    • Not on the lease, "they didn't approve me" (because of the collections)

    • :marseythinkorino:

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it wouldn't hurt to get another one... it's always an investment

a TESLA

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Investing in a depreciating asset

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Yea doesn't even matter the brand. Cars aren't investments. The covid era may have fried his brain or something. It's really the only time in recent history you could get more for a car after driving it off the lot 6 months ago.

The only investment a car can be is getting you to your job. And even then you'd be better off buying used vs new.

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Tbf the insurance is giving me 5k more than I paid for my car.

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You didn’t pay for the car though?

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Ok lol

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When? I guarantee you're still living in a covid fantasy world

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Im just telling you what statefarm told me.

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he did buy used (2016 models iirc) at least, so it could be worse.

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Covid era fried A LOT of people's brains :(

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Bought my car used 4 years ago and put another 80k miles on it. Now worth the same price I paid on it. Granted inflation makes it worth less

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Gay liars are gay

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Paid 12k for used Mazda at 65k miles back in 2016. It’s a 2014 model. It’s sitting around 125k right now. They are selling for anywhere from 10-16k in the area. With that mileage. Anything less than 100k on medium sedan is minimum 15k here. It’s all stupid and I don’t plan on getting a new car until this one falls apart

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Cars aren't investments.

They are if they are 20+ years old.

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Still riskier than putting 100% of your portfolio on Tesla stock

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Most cars that can appreciate in price also come with the fact that, as an investment, you’re probably talking about a six figure vehicle and liquidity being limited to auction sales.

I can’t can’t stand the idea that I can’t instantly sell an investment outside of real estate, I leave vehicle investing to car dealership people and mechanics that can shave off the regular costs of maintaining/transacting

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me looking at my Buick from ‘06

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Perhaps if they have a fuel tank, probably not so much if they just have a battery

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This was true 5 years ago. You could buy a Tesla and then flip it for 10 grand more to someone who didn't want to stay on the waiting list

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It was also true with those shitty Ford Broncos that people were willing to pay an extra $30,000 for.

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he also already had an old car (which he didn't mention until shortly before the end) that he's now gonna sell for $2500.

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!r-slurs one of us was on a show today

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My favorite part of this one was the "2 for 1 deal" at 24% interest.

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One car at 24% the other at 13%, very strange “2 for 1 deal”. Also his mom’s car was the cheapest on the lot but the twice the price of his in this deal.

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"She's in a financial situation as well"

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These innocent words say so much

Jewish lives matter

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There’s no hopeless situations. Just hopeless people in situations

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A Scion iM, Focus, and Tesla.

Jesus Christ. Is this guy allergic to reliability?


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NOOOOO YOU CAN'T WUESTION TBE RELIABILITY ANDNQUALITY KF THE WHOLESOMERINO ELECTROMOBILIO AND TJE BASED TOYOTA SIR AND/OR MADAME

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Didn’t watch the video but reading your summary this honestly doesn’t seem that bad - he’s making decent money at a young age and if he does move back home this will all be paid off in no time.

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The issue is he's not going to be able to course correct. In this middle of this he's thinking about taking out a third car loan for a massively more expensive car that he doesn't need and he doesn't quite understand interest rates to the point that a car lot managed to talk him into a 24% loan without him realizing.

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He can correct course if he moves back home - that’s why I said that. I’m assuming he has no debilitating consumer spending habits and if Caleb convinced him to not buy the Tesla then all should be sorted pretty soon.

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he has no debilitating consumer spending habits

he wants to buy a third car (tesla) just because

lol

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$30,000 in car loan debt isn't horrendous, even factoring the interest. $90,000, on the other hand, is horrendous.

Now that I think about it, who is going to approve that Tesla loan without a gigantic down payment? It's obvious that his credit is terrible, so he probably has to put up $15-$20,000 just to get the car.

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It's horrendous if you only make $25/h like this guy does (but then again he's in bumfrick Texas so maybe is rent is low enough to make up for it)

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His debtmaxxer mom might push him to increase his lifestyle cost even more, and see his $50,000 a year as infinite money

I've seen that play out IRL and with an aspiring mechanic no less

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Watch the video, or at least the first 2 minutes of it, the guy is literally r-slurred. Like "hey, how are you doing today?" and face freezes and takes 45 seconds to say "yeah, i guess" as an answer type of r-slurred

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Yeah that was bad but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt, he’s still young

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He has like 40k in debt and the combined minium payments on all of them is like 1/4 his monthly income

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40k when its nearly all student and car loans is nothing

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The car loans are like at 20+ intrest rate because the guy has no frontal lobe.

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And? It's not like he was going to get a better rate and he probably needed it to get to his job. You guys are fricking ruthless lmfao

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@HeckinChuderino

Quit downsorening my financial takes and go band for band with me :marseysmug2:

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No, you can't just downmarsey me on a site for laughing at r-slurs.

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Taking out a 50K loan at 24% for a third car at 22 y/o is a great "investment."

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He mentions in the video he only checked out the one lot, both cars are from there as a "2 for 1 deal" and didn't do more because he had some time conflict with his job (he didn't go into details on this), there's another car in the picture I forgot about that he's paid off already and planning to sell. He's definitely got a chance to right the ship moving back home but it's way more likely he slips up or gets conned in a big way.

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yeah, he's not in a bad situation yet, assuming his income increases for the next few years. but if he's wasting money on high interest debt at this early stage it will only get worse, even with a good career he'll end up making $200k but spending most of that servicing stupid debt, never any retirement savings, always just a couple bad months away from bankruptcy.

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Not that bad right now

In 5 years this dude will be destitute because he’ll keep making these types of decisions, definitely one of those people that actually needs Dave Ramsey because he can’t be trusted with his own money lol

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That's because he's only 22. His mom is a leech and he makes some comment early on saying something along the lines of "well I'm young so I can fix things later"

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I didn’t know it was possible to go broke paying rent in Lubbock Texas. I remember visiting there a few years ago and that city made Nebraska look appealing in comparison.

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what part of the video did caleb solicit this man for a light groping and/or bj?

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I don't know but that would be a profitable sidehustle for him to pick up. He's gotta get on that grind.

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>11k remaining on 2019 ford focus

In 2020 they were selling these cars new for 8k just trying to get them off the lot. And that was for a manual that doesn't have the transmission problems they're famous for.

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God darn this makes my head hurt

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>A car... is an investment

Massive r-slur

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How are burger personal loan rates so high when the deposit interest rates are lower?

https://i.rdrama.net/images/16884106679628425.webp

Indias generally a much higher interest economy. Or do non bank places charge that much?

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It's actually worse in Europe. It's because banks have a set collection of bonds they buy and until verrry recently bonds were going for pitiful rates. So you have several years of bad (and during COVID flat out atrocious) bond rates that simply return the dollar amount so it's not even beating inflation. There's a bank run going on right now because folks like me realized you can casually get a 5% return through your stockbroker compared to the FIVE CENTS per ten thousand dollars I get per month from my bank.

Generally the more developed an economy the lower the bonds though you can be a kooky little nutjob like turkey and Argentina and have higher rates than someone like Botswana.

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Also his rates are so high cause he's a tardlet and got pretty much every loan shark gimmick except a payday loan.

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what r-slur would put their money into illiquid bonds during 0.25% interest rates? Only the fellas at SVB :marseyxd:

My HISA gives me 5.5% atm and will likely hit 6% given my country has a couple rate hikes left in it. I ain't bothering with stocks or even term deposits for the foreseeable future, given the risk (most term deposits are actually lower than what I'm getting in liquid).

My only other 'play' was betting $400 against an increasingly unpopular referendum when the payout was still 1.8x. It'll only net me $320 but I suppose that's an 80% profit.

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I heard about that happening in Canada as well with money market funds.

At least in the US the system allows HYSAs and money market fund to converge on short term treasury rates

Doesn’t stop r-slurs from holding their savings in mega banks with 0.01% interest

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If you have decent credit, even with the current interest rates, you could easily find a sub-10% rate on a used car (new are usually much lower). But the combo of bad credit, the fact that it's a second car loan, and him being a total idiot who fell for obvious sales tactics designed to maximize loan rates led him there.

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This is the kind of horror story I'm really looking for when watching Dave Ramsey tear into some debt-addicted consoomer with his boomernomics, thank you

Edit: Oh my god...

"Do you have any medical issues? Any mental health issues?"

"No"

X TO DOUBT

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Why isnhe budgeting based on $4400 when dude brings home $4000 before tax? That would drop it to $3000 at least

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What an excellent channel, thanks OP. Also this guest looks like :chudsmug:

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Looks like shreddedmanlet but not a midget, so very aryan looking.

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Actually not bad aside from the r-slurred auto decisions

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A 10k toolbox is pretty r-slurred too.

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That one at least made some sense assuming it included the cowtools, those things look pretty pricey from a quick google

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1688482423142531.webp

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A dramanaut a few months ago said their friend was going to be on here. Is this the guy?

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