because rightoids subscribe to possibly the most r-slurred worldview in history.
That America has ever, at any point, been anything other than america first. the entire global economic system was set up to serve us, yet somehow in the rightoid world the opposite of this is true.
you're basically dealing with dangerously stupid idiots.
the entire global economic system was set up to serve u
while kinda true, this advantage is waining as is US influence globally. If something isnt done, China will overtake the US as the global hegmon or if we dont end up in a world war first. It would have been irrational for the US to maintain the same foreign policy strategy that they have been given that its only lead to failed super expensive wars and the subsidizing of a bunch of countries that hate us no matter how much money we throw at them. Drumpf's solutions to that might not be the best at the end of the day(wont know till you try) butt at least he is doing something different.
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If something isnt done, China will overtake the US as the global hegmon or if we dont end up in a world war first.
They can't economically because they're still stuck in that poverty trap, their aging demographics and welfare state kneecap them, they're technologically decades behind the US in terms of military capability, and their overall corrupt system of shit private property rights and judicial system serve as a long-term cap on their growth.
They'll flounder like Japan did after the 80s and 90s. Their government isn't innovative enough because their economy is too (relatively) centrally planned. They're not a paper tiger. More like cardboard.
Bernie and the Trumptards came after Hillary on the TPP, at some point she did declare she was against it, but only because Bernie and Trump went after her over it repeatedly and there's some weird anti-trade worldview growing in America now.
Trump 100% ended the tpp:
Twelve countries participated in negotiations for the TPP: the four parties to the 2005 Trans-Pacific Strategic Economic Partnership Agreement and eight additional countries. All twelve signed the TPP on 4 February 2016.[25] The agreement would have entered into force after ratification by all signatories, if this had occurred within two years. If the agreement had not been ratified by all before 4 February 2018, it would have entered into force after ratification by at least 6 states which together have a GDP of more than 85% of the GDP of all signatories. The withdrawal of the United States from the agreement in January 2017 effectively ended any prospect of the agreement entering into force. In response the remaining parties successfully negotiated a new version of the agreement that lacked the 85% GDP threshold, the CPTPP, which entered into force in December 2018.
On 23 January 2017, US President Donald Trump signed a presidential memorandum to withdraw the United States' signature from the agreement, making its ratification as it was in February 2016 virtually impossible.[27]
He was initially, but then it dissipated like a fart. Some countries wanted to amend certain clauses, which was doable, but a lot of the Democratic voters got mad about granting advantageous deals to US pharmacy and various IP holders, so they grumbled upward, and he caved in.
Ironic, that so many of them hated Big Pharmacy then compared to now. Much of the deal was for protecting American IP too, but so it goes. How the People forget.
while kinda true, this advantage is waining as is US influence globally. If something isnt done,
The problem is, you can only be one of the based accelerationist candidate or the boring bipartisan candidate who staves off decline and Trump made his choice.
The heckin good faith argument for tariffs is encouraging local production. If you don't look into any numbers or understand the global economy you might think this is a good idea. I imagine trump in particular is thinking tons of factory job the boomers remember coming back, because china is only doing it 20% cheaper of course . Modern western economies of course are much more service and technical based, trying to compete on manual labour power with china and India is impossible.
Trade wars don't really help anyway because the end state is going back 100 years to only consuming what is made nearby, no countries will collapse because of not having out of season bananas in the artic circle, but having to subsist on turnips and catfish because your government can't play nice isn't much fun.
I'm not sure if continuing down our current path is viable. Transforming into a service based economy seems like a bad idea in retrospect now that we're dealing with elite overproduction- seems like so many businesses are built around unnecessary middlemen and general rent seeking, usually involving foreign made goods. Also, giving China the leverage to put U.S. in a chokehold in an upcoming conflict (i.e. rare metals and semiconductors) is basically suicide.
No point in trade wars around specialty foods/resources that the U.S. climate/geography is not capable of producing though, I agree with that.
You can't make more rare earth minerals appear in your borders though, you eventually have to play the game of what does your country provide of value for the other countries resources.
Oil countries like Saudi are the other side of the coin, they produce nothing of value and exist to consume slop the west provides for their natural resources
Thankfully we are becoming a much more energy secure country. I believe the U.S. has a lot of minerals out west that could be developed, but bureaucracy has slowed that down. I have hope tho.
We could always melt Greenland and forcefully extract her of resources
Minerals aren't real. People don't export production to China because of its minerals, it's because of its massive amounts of cheap labor, and lately because of its medium-level technical abilities (as opposed to say Vietnam or India where labor is cheaper but you're capped on quality, you can have them make shirts sure but you can't have them make PCBs). As China increases its innovation and development, American manufacturing may contract somewhat but it'll also be required to improve its own innovation and development to call for its higher price. If it was only these two countries that existed it'd be a net zero exchange but because other places do as well it'd only benefit the both of us, allowing both countries to charge higher from other places and each other.
I was talking about developing resources so that they can later be used in manufacturing. Reshoring doesn't make sense when all of the raw materials are coming from abroad and can be cut off by communist governments- I get that they depend on us for revenues, but when shit hits the fan we won't be able to depend on them for anything. I know it sounds corny, but in a Cold War scenario it makes sense.
I think manufacturers are learning to innovate, as demonstrated by all of the investments in new factories in Arizona/the South/etc. Notice that union presence in these locations is much lower, which might allow companies to not get put in a stranglehold like last time.
The western media and politicians have spend the last two decades removing nuance from economic policies. Sometimes to help the sweaty masses understand, sometimes for personal gain, sometimes cause they didn't grasp the whole picture.
And since everyone did it, has been doing it since before the average dramatard was born, no one can effectively push back.
And now we have laypeople proclaiming certainty over things disproven (sometime centuries ago, lol). Go read pizzatards thread to see what people who haven't done a single econ class are happy to say is true, lol
The people sure, but our overlords least to at least try to keep it straight. Now it's all tariffs, massive 'anti inflation' spending, MMT and self funding tax cuts
I like the show, frick everyone! The terror I read daily, born from lack of understanding, is just the fricken best.
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The people sure, but our overlords least to at least try to keep it straight. Now it's all tariffs, massive 'anti inflation' spending, MMT and self funding tax cuts
I agree somewhat, in that politicians and lobbyists have done the best they can with limiting the voters' demand for further regulation and government control. With so many r-slurs clamoring for centralized control, the market leaders can only do so much to contain it. Regulatiom and government spending really are the main sources which constrains our growth. These tariffs and "anti-inflation" AD stimulus aren't shit compared to them. They occur over decades and slowly eat away at us, so it's harder to notice.
It's the same process, ignoring the required details cause tards like the expired meat expert don't have the education to understand and there's always some other wing cuck to pander to their ignorance
Hate the game, not the players, I guess, but maybe hate it all
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Oh, if I was a big player in the game, I'd play, which is why I don't blame major corporations. They stand to lose their entire business if they don't lobby and curry favor. Call it an untineded consequence of further centralized power of government. And voters are none the wiser of the consequences of their own demands. It's such folly.
Truthnuke the people rebelling against the state once things go wrong enough us a feature not a bug. Even insect colonies where the Queen fricks up will kill the queen and these are the loyal insects walk to their deaths till nothing remains for her when things are working.
Its a feature not a bug. Power irrespective of governmental system will always accumulate to such extremes at the top irrespective of type of system that at some point the only way out is to replace the head.
This is why every single system of governance is so desperate to prove their natural worthiness that lasts forever and why all these systems still "fail" in the end.
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Oh! Thanks for pinging me.
A few possible reasons:
(1) It's the only tool the executive branch has for immediate compliance with foreign nations. It serves as a credible threat, and although the foreign country can enact a similar tariff, both parties know (hopefully) that it would make each of them worse off. It's basically a game of chicken, and if the stakes aren't high (such as maintaining your own border security, kthx), then they'll comply.
(2) Trump may truly believe that tariffs are the way toward making America great again, but if he's listening to his economic advisors (big if), this isn't his sincere goal. It's more of a means to an end (1). If not, well, he's being short-sighted and counter-productive like any other politician.
(3) Swinging around this economic sword gains him credibility in the eyes of his supporters who, like Democrats, are economically ignorant.
Tariffs are the proverbial "big stick" he carries, and he carries it well. (People already forgot he did this last term lmao )
Trump was just never a fan of the "Speaking softly" half of it, but that works to the benefit of dramatards; or DID, until this site started getting surprisingly moralstraggy.
MrNorthwoodspsy/op please speak clearly in to the keyboard
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More meant he's a small fish. Billionaire who is content with the gold plated pleasentries. Not influencing countries as a hobby like the Clintons. He only has the office of the President to make people (temporarily) take him seriously.
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Basically this admin is run by JD Vance behind the scenes and he gets most of his info from Twitter anon accounts.
They basically think that China being able to make a bunch of cars means that they can (in wartime) modify those factories to produce fighter jets or tanks or some shit and then rayp us like how we rayped the Germans and japs back in the 1940s.
What they don't understand is that fighter jets and tanks don't use the same engines as cars anymore and it's not possible to make them outside of a dedicated facility so it's basically irrelevant how many cars you make in a war. Those factories can make brackets or whatever but you're not making a jet engine in an f150 line
This is basically a cautionary tale about giving 110 iq midwits like jd Vance and cremieux access to the internet
this is a good point actually, seemingly a lot of these people don't understand how complex manufacturing weapons has become, and it isn't as simple as converting a few factories like we did in the 1930s.
Kek I'm convinced that JD Vance actually thinks that a toaster production line could hypothetically make an f135 after a month of conversions or something.
That's why he keeps talking about it.
Someone should just correct him and then he'll melt down and start asking them to say thanks or something with his very Low T voice
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i have my own theory
ppl think he gives a shit about "him and his billionaire friends" but hes already old as frick and has not a lot of time to enjoy his spoils of war
so this is not about economic policy or ideologies, tariffs are one of the only things he can do as president without having to go through checks and balances, hes just trying to do whatever he can now in the present to power trip or go down in history and be memorable because his time is so short
he is gambling everything because he doesnt care if he fails, whether he goes down as the president that annexed all its allies or forced every ally to pay tribute or whatever, or the guy who completely destroyed america and turned it into a 3rd world country, he just wants to be remembered after he dies
"there is no such thing as bad publicity" - mark twain
i had to double check but some news articles point out congress gave the president more and more tariff power over the years and they cant stop him (no i will not read the actual law im not a nerd)
It's about autarky. Building up your own country after decades of hollowing out by globalisation. The latter is fragile because if geopolitics go south you lack the industry to build your own stuff.
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Because people who understand the economy are r-slurs like in where they don't understand that importing who don't work doesn't improve the economy. Or people who worship GDP when if you paid your wife for s*x it would increase GDP so really why even get married just get a for the good of the economy.
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this is a bit of a lowkey secret but trump is actually mildly r-slurred
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because rightoids subscribe to possibly the most r-slurred worldview in history.
That America has ever, at any point, been anything other than america first. the entire global economic system was set up to serve us, yet somehow in the rightoid world the opposite of this is true.
you're basically dealing with dangerously stupid idiots.
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while kinda true, this advantage is waining as is US influence globally. If something isnt done, China will overtake the US as the global hegmon or if we dont end up in a world war first. It would have been irrational for the US to maintain the same foreign policy strategy that they have been given that its only lead to failed super expensive wars and the subsidizing of a bunch of countries that hate us no matter how much money we throw at them. Drumpf's solutions to that might not be the best at the end of the day(wont know till you try) butt at least he is doing something different.
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And what better way to regain influence than alienating your longest standing allies and trade partners
Trust the plan, fellow PVTRIQTS !
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They can't economically because they're still stuck in that poverty trap, their aging demographics and welfare state kneecap them, they're technologically decades behind the US in terms of military capability, and their overall corrupt system of shit private property rights and judicial system serve as a long-term cap on their growth.
They'll flounder like Japan did after the 80s and 90s. Their government isn't innovative enough because their economy is too (relatively) centrally planned. They're not a paper tiger. More like cardboard.
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trump ripped up the fricking trade deal meant to contain china.
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So did Obama with TPP. Were you criticizing your Party for that when it happened?
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are you saying obama is why the tpp was ripped up lmao?
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https://rdrama.net/h/pol/post/348885/can-someone-tldr-me-on-why/7910800#context
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the tpp was back on the table lmao, trump is the one that ended it.
hillary clinton was running on putting it in place, she was smeared by rightoids for it.
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Democrats hated it which is why it went nowhere. He had more than enough time to pass it during his second term.
Post article.
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do you guys honestly not remember 2016 lol?
Bernie and the Trumptards came after Hillary on the TPP, at some point she did declare she was against it, but only because Bernie and Trump went after her over it repeatedly and there's some weird anti-trade worldview growing in America now.
Trump 100% ended the tpp:
Here's Trump going after her over it:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/sep/27/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-hillary-clinton-lauded-controver/
The GOP themselves ran ads on it:
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I could have sworn obama was pushing for TPP
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He was initially, but then it dissipated like a fart. Some countries wanted to amend certain clauses, which was doable, but a lot of the Democratic voters got mad about granting advantageous deals to US pharmacy and various IP holders, so they grumbled upward, and he caved in.
Ironic, that so many of them hated Big Pharmacy then compared to now. Much of the deal was for protecting American IP too, but so it goes. How the People forget.
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clearly he thought it was a bad plan
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Because hes a fricking mongoloid.
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The problem is, you can only be one of the based accelerationist candidate or the boring bipartisan candidate who staves off decline and Trump made his choice.
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No they can't lol.
The US is a larger economy, and if people want to sell products here, they'll end up with dollars.
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The heckin good faith argument for tariffs is encouraging local production. If you don't look into any numbers or understand the global economy you might think this is a good idea. I imagine trump in particular is thinking tons of factory job the boomers remember coming back, because china is only doing it 20% cheaper of course
. Modern western economies of course are much more service and technical based, trying to compete on manual labour power with china and India is impossible.
Trade wars don't really help anyway because the end state is going back 100 years to only consuming what is made nearby, no countries will collapse because of not having out of season bananas in the artic circle, but having to subsist on turnips and catfish because your government can't play nice isn't much fun.
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I'm not sure if continuing down our current path is viable. Transforming into a service based economy seems like a bad idea in retrospect now that we're dealing with elite overproduction- seems like so many businesses are built around unnecessary middlemen and general rent seeking, usually involving foreign made goods. Also, giving China the leverage to put U.S. in a chokehold in an upcoming conflict (i.e. rare metals and semiconductors) is basically suicide.
No point in trade wars around specialty foods/resources that the U.S. climate/geography is not capable of producing though, I agree with that.
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You can't make more rare earth minerals appear in your borders though, you eventually have to play the game of what does your country provide of value for the other countries resources.
Oil countries like Saudi are the other side of the coin, they produce nothing of value and exist to consume slop the west provides for their natural resources
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Thankfully we are becoming a much more energy secure country. I believe the U.S. has a lot of minerals out west that could be developed, but bureaucracy has slowed that down. I have hope tho.
We could always melt Greenland and forcefully extract her of resources
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Minerals aren't real. People don't export production to China because of its minerals, it's because of its massive amounts of cheap labor, and lately because of its medium-level technical abilities (as opposed to say Vietnam or India where labor is cheaper but you're capped on quality, you can have them make shirts sure but you can't have them make PCBs). As China increases its innovation and development, American manufacturing may contract somewhat but it'll also be required to improve its own innovation and development to call for its higher price. If it was only these two countries that existed it'd be a net zero exchange but because other places do as well it'd only benefit the both of us, allowing both countries to charge higher from other places and each other.
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I was talking about developing resources so that they can later be used in manufacturing. Reshoring doesn't make sense when all of the raw materials are coming from abroad and can be cut off by communist governments- I get that they depend on us for revenues, but when shit hits the fan we won't be able to depend on them for anything. I know it sounds corny, but in a Cold War scenario it makes sense.
I think manufacturers are learning to innovate, as demonstrated by all of the investments in new factories in Arizona/the South/etc. Notice that union presence in these locations is much lower, which might allow companies to not get put in a stranglehold like last time.
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US should shift more manufacturing from China to Vietnam, Philippines, and Indonesia. Maybe the tariffs will encourage this.
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That's what TPP was.
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It will never be a real Pacific Partnership....
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Hard mode: don't use any of the following words in your answer:
R-slur, idiot, moron, stupid, dummy, lunatic, prat, loser, imbecile, fool, numbskull, mutt, dolt, dimwit, know-nothing, ignoramus, donkey, knucklehead, dunce, jackass, dullard, dunderhead, chucklehead, bonehead, blockhead, simpleton, nitwit, doofus, natural, airhead, cretin, goon, ninny, loon, pinhead, half-wit, oaf, goof, dumbhead, lunkhead, jerk, clown, numskull, nimrod, dummkopf, meathead, hardhead, stupe, dope, dork, schnook, goose, dum-dum, nincompoop, golem, fathead, bubblehead, turkey, yahoo, schlub, dumb cluck, deadhead, villain, dip, cluck, clunk, hammerhead, gander, shlub, lump, lamebrain, noddy, dodo, saphead, ratbag, ninnyhammer, birdbrain, noodle, chowderhead, buffoon, dumbbell, clodpole, loggerhead, mome, nit, skunk, thickhead, stock, madman, cuddy, dim bulb, clodpoll, cuddie, loony, woodenhead, clot, booby, snake, nut, yo-yo, creep, zany, mug, beast, boor, gawk, heel, scatterbrain, cad, stinker, cur, featherbrain, churl.
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literally impossible
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Orange Turdmuffin Turdgibbon Diaper Don Cheeto Benito Tangerine Palpatine
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I didn't use any of those words!
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easy: he does not know what the frick he is doing
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ok mongoloid
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Real answer? Not some wingcuck nonsense?
The western media and politicians have spend the last two decades removing nuance from economic policies. Sometimes to help the sweaty masses understand, sometimes for personal gain, sometimes cause they didn't grasp the whole picture.
And since everyone did it, has been doing it since before the average dramatard was born, no one can effectively push back.
And now we have laypeople proclaiming certainty over things disproven (sometime centuries ago, lol). Go read pizzatards thread to see what people who haven't done a single econ class are happy to say is true, lol
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No, the people have always been economically r-slurred.
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The people sure, but our overlords least to at least try to keep it straight. Now it's all tariffs, massive 'anti inflation' spending, MMT and self funding tax cuts
I like the show, frick everyone! The terror I read daily, born from lack of understanding, is just the fricken best.
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I agree somewhat, in that politicians and lobbyists have done the best they can with limiting the voters' demand for further regulation and government control. With so many r-slurs clamoring for centralized control, the market leaders can only do so much to contain it. Regulatiom and government spending really are the main sources which constrains our growth. These tariffs and "anti-inflation" AD stimulus aren't shit compared to them. They occur over decades and slowly eat away at us, so it's harder to notice.
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It's the same process, ignoring the required details cause tards like the expired meat expert don't have the education to understand and there's always some other wing cuck to pander to their ignorance
Hate the game, not the players, I guess, but maybe hate it all
Or just enjoy the show
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Oh, if I was a big player in the game, I'd play, which is why I don't blame major corporations. They stand to lose their entire business if they don't lobby and curry favor. Call it an untineded consequence of further centralized power of government. And voters are none the wiser of the consequences of their own demands. It's such folly.
!freemarket, !neolibs, I have votehogs.
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Truthnuke the people rebelling against the state once things go wrong enough us a feature not a bug. Even insect colonies where the Queen fricks up will kill the queen and these are the loyal insects walk to their deaths till nothing remains for her when things are working.
Its a feature not a bug. Power irrespective of governmental system will always accumulate to such extremes at the top irrespective of type of system that at some point the only way out is to replace the head.
This is why every single system of governance is so desperate to prove their natural worthiness that lasts forever and why all these systems still "fail" in the end.
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what is it i was wrong about in relation to the economy, be specific.
you seem poorly educated and deluded.
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I'd say spend some time at school, but y'know, American system...
It is pretty fun to watch tho, begging for feedback from anons on the net cause teachers never gave you any, lol
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So no response then?
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No for you, r-slur, get an actual mentor.
Frick me, what a loser
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Oh! Thanks for pinging me.
A few possible reasons:
(1) It's the only tool the executive branch has for immediate compliance with foreign nations. It serves as a credible threat, and although the foreign country can enact a similar tariff, both parties know (hopefully) that it would make each of them worse off. It's basically a game of chicken, and if the stakes aren't high (such as maintaining your own border security, kthx), then they'll comply.
(2) Trump may truly believe that tariffs are the way toward making America great again, but if he's listening to his economic advisors (big if), this isn't his sincere goal. It's more of a means to an end (1). If not, well, he's being short-sighted and counter-productive like any other politician.
(3) Swinging around this economic sword gains him credibility in the eyes of his supporters who, like Democrats, are economically ignorant.
That's pretty much it.
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Tariffs are the proverbial "big stick" he carries, and he carries it well. (People already forgot he did this last term lmao
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Trump was just never a fan of the "Speaking softly" half of it, but that works to the benefit of dramatards; or DID, until this site started getting surprisingly moralstraggy.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKinley_Tariff
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Because he is a boomer who feels nostalgic for the time before the post-industrial economy.
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"protectionism" for the most valuable economy on the planet by market cap
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Americans love to buy stuff. We buy so much stuff, that the idea of us buying less from a country can destabilize their economy.
Trump loves throwing our weight around, since he lacks it himself.
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Rightoids really do cope about him being skinny
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More meant he's a small fish. Billionaire who is content with the gold plated pleasentries. Not influencing countries as a hobby like the Clintons. He only has the office of the President to make people (temporarily) take him seriously.
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Rightoids do really be coping about him being skinny
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Hes a pretty hefty guy though.
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He's just using the threat of tariffs to negotiate.
That's kinda r-slurred but the wingcuck overreaction to it is far more r-slurred. Wake me up when there's a tariff on Chinese microchips or OPEC oil.
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Basically this admin is run by JD Vance behind the scenes and he gets most of his info from Twitter anon accounts.
They basically think that China being able to make a bunch of cars means that they can (in wartime) modify those factories to produce fighter jets or tanks or some shit and then rayp us like how we rayped the Germans and japs back in the 1940s.
What they don't understand is that fighter jets and tanks don't use the same engines as cars anymore and it's not possible to make them outside of a dedicated facility so it's basically irrelevant how many cars you make in a war. Those factories can make brackets or whatever but you're not making a jet engine in an f150 line
This is basically a cautionary tale about giving 110 iq midwits like jd Vance and cremieux access to the internet
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this is a good point actually, seemingly a lot of these people don't understand how complex manufacturing weapons has become, and it isn't as simple as converting a few factories like we did in the 1930s.
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Kek I'm convinced that JD Vance actually thinks that a toaster production line could hypothetically make an f135 after a month of conversions or something.
That's why he keeps talking about it.
Someone should just correct him and then he'll melt down and start asking them to say thanks or something with his very Low T voice
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i have my own theory
ppl think he gives a shit about "him and his billionaire friends" but hes already old as frick and has not a lot of time to enjoy his spoils of war
so this is not about economic policy or ideologies, tariffs are one of the only things he can do as president without having to go through checks and balances, hes just trying to do whatever he can now in the present to power trip or go down in history and be memorable because his time is so short
he is gambling everything because he doesnt care if he fails, whether he goes down as the president that annexed all its allies or forced every ally to pay tribute or whatever, or the guy who completely destroyed america and turned it into a 3rd world country, he just wants to be remembered after he dies
"there is no such thing as bad publicity" - mark twain
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This is not true. Congress controls tarrifs and he is massively exceeding delegated authority, a court has not stopped him yet.
He is just r-slurred.
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i had to double check but some news articles point out congress gave the president more and more tariff power over the years and they cant stop him (no i will not read the actual law im not a nerd)
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"When the President does it, that means that it's not illegal."
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It's about autarky. Building up your own country after decades of hollowing out by globalisation. The latter is fragile because if geopolitics go south you lack the industry to build your own stuff.
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Because people who understand the economy are r-slurs like in
where they don't understand that importing
who don't work doesn't improve the economy. Or people who worship GDP when if you paid your wife for s*x it would increase GDP so really why even get married just get a
for the good of the economy. 
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He really, really likes William McKinley for some reason. McKinley was big into protectionism and tariffs.
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Because he is aggressive, stubborn, and stupid.
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not a smart man OR big plans beyond your comprehension
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