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Every veteran who fought the japanese who was queued up for the eventual invasion of japan says without exception the bomb saved tens of thousands of american lives and millions of jap lives
Truman had balls of steel
Even the japanese vets have recognized they were nation ready to wholesale suicide out of blind fanaticism as evidenced by all the civilians who threw themselves off cliffs and shit because they thought the americans were going to r*pe them to death like the japs did to the chinks
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Every time it was mentioned for like 40 years the estimated death toll for a hypothetical invasion of Japan went up. I find it suspicious at least.
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Japan was outright militarily occupied, you'd think the US would have all the info needed after like, ten years max.
Maybe I'm just schizzing but it seems to line up with the behavior I'd do if I were trying to avoid historical humiliation in an era of increasingly anti-nuclear sentiment, a la Germany or Japan (even with the distinct advantage of not losing the war), by making Nagasaki and Hiroshima tragic sacrifices for the good of all and making the numbers whatever they needed to be.
If you really wanted to embrace your german heritage you should actually believe that all your jap brethren sullied themselves by raping an inferior race just like the germans mostly considered raping jews and russians to be the modern day equivalent of being goat or dog frickers.
In any event I'm glad to see you acknowledge some of your heritage though as an extension of your humanity leaking through the cracks in the veneer
Tbh there were still tons of Nazis in various bureaucracies, academia, government etc. Quite a few of them washed out because their success in the 3rd Reich was just pure corruption and nepotism and they just fell apart when asked to actually perform, but the rest of them stuck around for decades
Truman was too kitty (or more likely, to reliant on state dept compromised by commies) to help Chang and save millions, and then made Korea unnecessary attritional war because he was too kitty to threaten China with (as IKE eventually did ending the war). Thus condemning thousands or Americans and millions of Chinese and Koreans to die.
Truman was too kitty (or more likely, to reliant on state dept compromised by commies) to help Chang and save millions, and then made Korea unnecessary attritional war because he was too kitty to threaten China with (as IKE eventually did ending the war). Thus condemning thousands or Americans and millions of Chinese and Koreans to die.
Do you think if we made peace with Japan or let north korea win it would be a better place or what lol
Help China in 46 (or 47 don't remember when Mao took over).
Basically US forces Chiang into a ceasefire while throws tons of ww2 surplus at , letting break ceasefire and take over China.
Don't kittyfoot in Korea and actually threaten China with bombs (conventional and otherwise) when they send armies to Korea, instead of going "oh you're sending hundreds of thousands of your soldiers to kill ours, we won't drop a single bomb on you that would be ESCALATION "
It wasn't even seen as ballsy at the time, simply a no-brainer. A fanatical empire was killing our soldiers -- why wouldn't we use every tool at our disposal? Truman didn't even order the bombing -- he approved an existing plan. It wasn't his biggest priority.
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Every veteran who fought the japanese who was queued up for the eventual invasion of japan says without exception the bomb saved tens of thousands of american lives and millions of jap lives
Truman had balls of steel
Even the japanese vets have recognized they were nation ready to wholesale suicide out of blind fanaticism as evidenced by all the civilians who threw themselves off cliffs and shit because they thought the americans were going to r*pe them to death like the japs did to the chinks
Right !historychads ? or nah
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Every time it was mentioned for like 40 years the estimated death toll for a hypothetical invasion of Japan went up. I find it suspicious at least.
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Yeah because we had more access to information so the guessing got more precise duh
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Japan was outright militarily occupied, you'd think the US would have all the info needed after like, ten years max.
Maybe I'm just schizzing but it seems to line up with the behavior I'd do if I were trying to avoid historical humiliation in an era of increasingly anti-nuclear sentiment, a la Germany or Japan (even with the distinct advantage of not losing the war), by making Nagasaki and Hiroshima tragic sacrifices for the good of all and making the numbers whatever they needed to be.
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we pardoned the majority of the most heinous war crimes committed by the japanese in the effort to move on
on the bright side, they became an economic powerhouse and important ally
on the dark side, anime, denial of atrocities, and jap-washing of history
!Germs were spared no luxury but they still turned out alright too though without getting their schwänze stroked
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If you really wanted to embrace your german heritage you should actually believe that all your jap brethren sullied themselves by raping an inferior race just like the germans mostly considered raping jews and russians to be the modern day equivalent of being goat or dog frickers.
In any event I'm glad to see you acknowledge some of your heritage though as an extension of your humanity leaking through the cracks in the veneer
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Tbh there were still tons of Nazis in various bureaucracies, academia, government etc. Quite a few of them washed out because their success in the 3rd Reich was just pure corruption and nepotism and they just fell apart when asked to actually perform, but the rest of them stuck around for decades
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Truman ultimately gave us shounen
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Imagine the Manime we would have if we'd dropped 4 atomics
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The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were a net good for humanity, the US, Japan and Asia and I tired of pretending they weren't.
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Truman was too kitty (or more likely, to reliant on state dept compromised by commies) to help Chang and save millions, and then made Korea unnecessary attritional war because he was too kitty to threaten China with
(as IKE eventually did ending the war). Thus condemning thousands or Americans and millions of Chinese and Koreans to die.
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Do you think if we made peace with Japan or let north korea win it would be a better place or what lol
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Help China in 46 (or 47 don't remember when Mao took over).
Basically US forces Chiang into a ceasefire while
throws tons of ww2 surplus at
, letting
break ceasefire and take over China.
Don't kittyfoot in Korea and actually threaten China with bombs (conventional and otherwise) when they send armies to Korea, instead of going "oh you're sending hundreds of thousands of your soldiers to kill ours, we won't drop a single bomb on you that would be ESCALATION
"
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Don't you mean Biden and Putin in Ukraine?
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And LBJ and S Vietnam, its a common western mistake of the west.
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It wasn't even seen as ballsy at the time, simply a no-brainer. A fanatical empire was killing our soldiers -- why wouldn't we use every tool at our disposal? Truman didn't even order the bombing -- he approved an existing plan. It wasn't his biggest priority.
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