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This isn't Steve Bell's first brush with the chosen people:
https://socialistworker.co.uk/news/exclusive-the-steve-bell-cartoons-the-guardian-refused-to-publish
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If it was at least a good cartoon I'd have some sympathy but it's pretty low effort
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Political cartoonists in a nutshell
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Don't you dare blaspheme against rDrama's cartoonist Ben Garrison
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Zyklon Ben is the one exception, extremely high effort masterpieces such as this
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I love labels so god darn much it's unreal
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You'll find me hanging out at LGBT Lagoon.
😎😎
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You can call this a lot of things, but never low effort.
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This is unironically high effort. It's not good, but it's pretty clear a dude spent forever on it.
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Fake Ben Garrison
None of the bubbles are labeled
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That frickin rules lol
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It's like reading an iSpy book
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That was not nice what he did to Bush and McCain
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I love picture puzzles
Smh i expect better from Benny.
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I say this every time someone whines about comics: when this your day job having to come up with shit daily it's mostly going to be crap with some winners in between. Creative work like that is hard work.
You count the good ones by how often it's funny not by the fact they make lots of low effort ones
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This is why the bots will win. AI can churn out C- content by the thousands and audiences will rapidly forget that actually-good things exist.
Marvel has basically already done this to movies.
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If Marvel had done it to their movies it would unironically be better than what they came up with
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Gary Larson made it work
Cow Cowtools
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Tell that to Cow Cowtools or Garfield
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been downhill since Hogarth, innit?
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Ben Garrison is still doing the heaviest lifting.
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Is it that Gaza is a part of Israel and removing…hmmm removing hamas with boxing gloves and a scalpel will be really bad for Israel?
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cutting thw nose to spite the face would have been a better metaphor
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That's even more antisemitic
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Maybe I'm, but I don't get it?
Why is ol' Benny cutting a map of the Gaza Strip out of himself? Doesn't he think it's actually Israeli land?
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It's supposedly a reference to Shylock from The Merchant of Venice but I'm too to get it.
I'll just believe whatever the poll tells me, wisdom of crowds etc.
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Looks like Shylock gets fricked over. I still don't get it.
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is it just me or is Shylock completely justified? Wish he carved that white boy up.
Alas, he couldn't beat the ultimate cuckoldry
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People aren't too sure what to make of Shylock in the play, Shakespeare gives him a lot of reasons for his evil actions but he is also a cartoonishly evil jewish banker
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Sounds like shakespear is not just a queer black muslim woman of size, but also a based anti-semite (good kind)
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Artists have always been totally ignorant of economics, it's why they're all commies. Good old spear boy probably thought lending money and expecting it back was itself evil.
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I think it was more the christian/abrahamic ethos, even to this day many muslims won't get loans because they are unislamic.
Early modern England was very religious
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Econmisia is the most evil remnant of ancient religions.
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The only Shylock interpretation I can think of is this is Netanyahu attempting to get his pound of flesh as revenge but that it will actually end up being an act of self harm. Even that is a bit of a stretch though because Shylock already gets his comeuppance in the original story so there would be no need to change it to the pound coming from the Jew himself
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The actual moral of the story is to not do business with Italians
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the actual moral is to read better books
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I don't remember this
This is anti-Antonio propaganda
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DIE PORTIASHILL
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NEVER!
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Shylock did nothing wrong
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Oh that much I understand. I think. But isn't the "pound of flesh" supposed to signify a loss?
Netanyahu hasn't lost (yet) and he's actively trying to gain control of the land he's cutting out of himself in the cartoon, not get rid of it.
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But Shylock wants Antonio's flesh so that doesn't make sense for this to be a reference. I think Bell's probably anti-Semitic like Corbyn but this particular comic isn't.
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Heh didn't know that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion
Sounds like the Jewish policies at the time in UK and nature of the job Jews got pushed into and naturally excel at seems to have been where all the main Jewish insults come from
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/h/lit
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I think the boxing gloves and scalpel are meant to represent Netanyahu trying to conduct a precise operation against Hamas but will inevitably cause damage to the surrounding Israelis and Palestinians
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OK that makes sense. But in that interpretation though, he's not cutting himself so the Shylock reference doesn't make sense and as a consequence, the anti-semitism charge doesn't either.
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I personally don't think he's attempting to reference the Merchant of Venice here but people seem to have stopped giving him the benefit of doubt anymore after his reaction to the whole Labour antisemitism scandal
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I don't get it either, but all political cartoons are terrible. No wonder Garrison slathers his with labels.
Is this cartoon saying that Binny's going to injure himself trying to cut off Gaza ?
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i thought he was supposed to be eating someone else's butt and drawing Gaza on their back
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In a way I'm glad because his cartoons were shit but there's pretty good odds his replacement will be a foid who can't draw and makes "educational" comics
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Next comic is an Israeli and a Palestinian working together to rebuild Gaza with the evil billionaires in the background scrambling to get them fighting again
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Another heckin rascism and facism by the cartoonist, depicting Hindu minister as fat cow.
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When the mtf in the swimming pool locker room sees a child under 12
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would
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The coomers of politicallynsfw agree
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I had no idea "a pound of flesh" was even considered antisemitic. I always figured it as just a self-explanatory synonym for revenge, like someone wants "a pound of flesh" because they want to take revenge by hurting someone badly.
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it's not anti-Semitic unless maybe you're trying to imply the asker is a greedy Jew. It's also a subtle difference but it's not so much revenge as it is repayment that harms someone.
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“Cance culture is a good thing” mfers after a minute without insulting dead jews. A guy this obsessed with israel probably is a teensy bit antisemetic. That being said why fire him now? Just keep him on
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I don't get it
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Out of all the antisemitism I've seen throughout the years, referencing Shakespeare is probably among the least insulting
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Any criticism of Israel or Israeli policy is antisemitism. You know the rules.
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Where is the "It is antisemitic, death to Israel" option you BIPOC
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He should be fired regardless for being a bad cartoonist
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Bro that's what Bibi looks like
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I don't get it
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https://socialistworker.co.uk/news/exclusive-the-steve-bell-cartoons-the-guardian-refused-to-publish:
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