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So actually, who's winning and who's going to win?

I keep hearing conflicting info on this but it should be obvious to anyone curious, I know you're doing the team sports thing but just tell me how the war is going and who's actually going to win.

I don't really follow this war so I don't know if the following bonus options make sense:

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I answered Russia wins, but it's really "other", because I'd hardly consider what I think will happen, which is some sort of cease-fire on the line of control from Dnepr east not far from what we see, maybe with the rest of Donetsk Oblast (and if it goes on long enough - perhaps also Zaporozhye city) to be a proper victory, considering it achieves pretty much none of the vague goals enumerated at the beginning.

But that's really the only possibility. Either Russia gets something it can sell to the people as a win (which will happen eventually as Ukrainian army is more and more ground down), or NATO actually intervenes in some major way, which would be WW3 and we all die. Anyone that thinks there's any other option is delusional and does not understand Russians at all.

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This, maybe after a major offensive gaining more land Russia ends of the war with the condition that Dnepr and Crimea be accepted as Russian territory but most of the world.

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yeah :marseyagree: people think :marseynoooticer: russia :marseysalutenovorossiya: can just :marseyblops2chadcel2: withdraw like US did in afghanistan, no this :marseysharksoup: is to the bitter end as Crimea :marseyukrainerentfree: is considered Russian, ukraine :marseyazov2: has to lose or it is WW3

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Russia is not coming out of this as anything other than an African tier nation.

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will :schopenmarsey: only happen if it gets nuked, in which case US will :schopenmarsey: also be nuked

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Russia was already near an African tier nation before they absolutely destroyed their economy and launched a failed war of aggression.

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obviously not true, also not everything western :marseycowboy: is magically better :marseygenetakovic: for the sake of being western, thats not how the world :marseyww1french1: works mr racist :marseymayoface: neolib

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Neighbor at the absolute peak of Russian power they couldn't even afford cars.

Modern Russia is even poorer than the soviet union was. Like realistically you have to accept the west is a much better place to live, and anyone with a functioning brain will tell you that.

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neighbor at the absolute peak of Russian power they couldn't even afford cars.

The soviet union had some of the most developed public transportation networks in the world, making cars not very useful for the average person. Trans lives matter.

Modern Russia is even poorer than the soviet union was

neighbor we argued about how the fall of the soviet union destroyed russia and now you post this? :marseybruh2:

trans lives matter

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I mean in context Russia might be better off today, I'm not even sure. The soviet union was pretty fricking poor.

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I think currently Ukraine is gaining punching power while Russia is finishing theirs. Both sides have more infantry than they started with, and both sides are training new units for summer fighting, but the quality of equipment and training Ukraine is getting is far better. Russia's biggest strength is artillery and armored superiority, but they are fast losing both and are looking increasingly clumsy in their offensives.

If Ukraine can put brigade-sized units capable of combined arms in the field with sufficient artillery support in May/June, which is seeming likely, Russia is going to be firmly on the back foot and face some embarrassing losses of territory that will be tough to recover from, even if they retain much of the donbass

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I think currently Ukraine is gaining punching power while Russia is finishing theirs. Both sides have more infantry than they started with, and both sides are training new units for summer fighting, but the quality of equipment and training Ukraine is getting is far better.

Yeah, all of this is based on NATOid propaganda and weird to state as though factual.

and are looking increasingly clumsy in their offensives.

Based on that vid of a single company getting blown up? There are literally dozens of these from Ukro offensive attempts over the summer, where they've lost an astonishing amount of people and equipment in their 20 attempts at offensive while probing for weak spots, before finally getting some ground in the north of Kherson oblast.

These things happen during wars. Always have, always will.

If Ukraine can put brigade-sized units capable of combined arms in the field with sufficient artillery support in May/June

They had that from the beginning of the war until about fall, when they started running out of native and Polish armour.

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