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: "ready to work under Trump's strong leadership" he has literally always said this. he said this right before vance blew up. cope harder
And "ready to work under Trump's strong leadership" is what? At the very least it's kissing the ring, not of the US but of Trump personally, while dispelling any claims of going their own way in regards to Europe (at least in the medium term).
Szia_uramhung/aryanLois, democracy and liberalism is non-negotiableAvalon 4d ago#7882023
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Because Trump wants him to kiss the ring, chuds get off on the humiliation ritual. Honestly it's the right decision to make. I couldn't sit accross JDs 100% punchable fatty b-word face and kiss the ring, but he will have to pretend to play along.
Trump just first and foremost wants to satisfy his ego, even if that hurts both the US and anyone else he is interacting with.
It's hilarious that while the USA is speedrunning of losing any goodwill and eventually influence accumulated since the 50s, chuddies celebrate that all they get in return is that their geriatric presidents ego gets stroked while humiliating said allies. Which I'm not against medium-long term, I just hope Ukraine doesn't end up in the ruskie sphere of influence, I wouldn't wish that on any society.
s hilarious that while the USA is speedrunning of losing any goodwill and eventually influence accumulated since the 50s,
What goodwill really was there? You still had France selling nuclear tech to Pakistan and Iran in the 60s and 70s. What kind of goodwill was fostered by the US after installing the Shah in Iran? How about when they armed the mujahadeen in AFG? What about are their decades of shenanigans in the Americas? Then there's the second US-Iraq war and their foray in Afganistan...
Other countries will generally do what they want because nice words and a few million in subsidies from stuff like USAID means nothing in the face of "real politik." When it comes to international relations, I'm in the realism camp because they are mostly correct. Words words words don't mean much in terms of real world actions and incentives.
!Americas!burgers, it's an international debate on geopolitics! Has the US been a good neighbor to you?
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TheOverBeether 4d ago#7882671
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Why did "reasonable neoliberal centrists" become genocidal maniacs? Why does every last zigger need to die again?
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Yes. I'm not American or Ukrainian or eastern European but I want total war. I want every Russian dead and their families. My whole life I have had them promoting marxist leninism and terror and threat of nuclear war and teaching their pet dictatorships in north korea, cuba, iran and deranged muslims in pakistan, syria, blacks in Africa etc to hate westerners, to hate me and hate my family. Now Putin and his subversion and extreme left right and their Russian orchestrated mass immigration into the EU and their far right anti EU anti immigration shit and protest shit like blm and the yellow vests etc. I want total war. I want every Russian and every single one of their dictators and supporters dead.I want people who shelter Russian immigrants to be hung as traitors and people who have shilled for Putin trace, found and killed and their children. It is a blessing and a miracle we have nuclear weapons to cleanse the earth of the cancer that is Russia and it's evil pet dictators and tyrannies. I want you and your family dead. I am happy to die if that is what is accomplished. I want nuclear war, I have faith in my people to find a way to survive and rebuild but I want Russia and Russians gone and any of their anti western fan base in Africa or the middle east or south America. I want a great cleansing and I am going to see it. You are dead, your family are dead and everything every Russian ever did consigned to oblivion and regarded as a dead civilisation likethe Hittites, I want Moscow leveled to the ground and the ground salted so nothing grows there, I want Russian expatriates hiding in western nations found and ground into bone meal and used to fertilise the land including their children. I'm a moderate. Europe has awoken from its sleep again and is rearming this stops when all our enemies have been ground into dust whether Russian, their pet dictators or their middle eastern pet monkeys. Kill them all. There are too many people.
You know something? Not only are we going to Kaliningrad, we're going to Minsk, and St. Petersburg, and Moscow, and Novgorod, and Volgograd. And we're going to take Donetsk to take back the region! YEAAAAAGGHHHH
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We were your biggest arms buyers even when it wasn't strictly in our interest and we went to Afghanistan with you, hosted your bases and when requested, we went along with your foreign policy in Asia.
Besides feels and vibes, can you tell me a single thing where EU opposed the US with material actions?
>But what about that time 60 years ago when the french sold nuclear tech to the jeets
'goodwill' was the reason EU countries went along with Afghanistan. It was also the reason why a lot of countries weren't anal about buying only europeans weapons, like the french. Thanks for agreeing.
@fedposter is hoping the chuds are right and Trump announces tonight he is withdrawing from NATO.
@fedposter don't think he has figured out it's an offset of defense spending not a free ride for other countries. Also @fedposter is really curious too see if congress has a spine and this seems like the kind of nuclear issue that would set off much of the GOP.
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Lol frick the Eurostrags. Every nation thats not the USA, Russia, or China Is completely irrelevant.
If Ukraine wants to actually keep their self governance they should of took the mineral deal with no security. But the fact that Ukraine actually thought it had any bargaining power is hilarious.
Anything besides "I've signed the treaty proposed by mr trump" means frick all lol. Isn't that what you r-slurs say whenever trump does anything? "oh it's just bluster"? Learn to recognize the most obvious bluster imaginable.
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You gotta learn basic diplomatese. "It is regrettable" is how countries sound apologetic without actually apologizing
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And "ready to work under Trump's strong leadership" is what? At the very least it's kissing the ring, not of the US but of Trump personally, while dispelling any claims of going their own way in regards to Europe (at least in the medium term).
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Because Trump wants him to kiss the ring, chuds get off on the humiliation ritual. Honestly it's the right decision to make. I couldn't sit accross JDs 100% punchable fatty b-word face and kiss the ring, but he will have to pretend to play along.
Trump just first and foremost wants to satisfy his ego, even if that hurts both the US and anyone else he is interacting with.
It's hilarious that while the USA is speedrunning of losing any goodwill and eventually influence accumulated since the 50s, chuddies celebrate that all they get in return is that their geriatric presidents ego gets stroked while humiliating said allies. Which I'm not against medium-long term, I just hope Ukraine doesn't end up in the ruskie sphere of influence, I wouldn't wish that on any society.
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Trump's ego can only be satisfied through world peace, but the Eurobeans demand more bloodshed because they've been radicalized by Muslim refugees.
What goodwill really was there? You still had France selling nuclear tech to Pakistan and Iran in the 60s and 70s. What kind of goodwill was fostered by the US after installing the Shah in Iran? How about when they armed the mujahadeen in AFG? What about are their decades of shenanigans in the Americas? Then there's the second US-Iraq war and their foray in Afganistan...
Other countries will generally do what they want because nice words and a few million in subsidies from stuff like USAID means nothing in the face of "real politik." When it comes to international relations, I'm in the realism camp because they are mostly correct. Words words words don't mean much in terms of real world actions and incentives.
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Why did "reasonable neoliberal centrists" become genocidal maniacs? Why does every last zigger need to die again?
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Sorting out which of them we need too kill and which can be fixed with reeducation camps is lots of effort.
If we just genocide the ziggers life is much simpler.
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Yes. I'm not American or Ukrainian or eastern European but I want total war. I want every Russian dead and their families. My whole life I have had them promoting marxist leninism and terror and threat of nuclear war and teaching their pet dictatorships in north korea, cuba, iran and deranged muslims in pakistan, syria, blacks in Africa etc to hate westerners, to hate me and hate my family. Now Putin and his subversion and extreme left right and their Russian orchestrated mass immigration into the EU and their far right anti EU anti immigration shit and protest shit like blm and the yellow vests etc. I want total war. I want every Russian and every single one of their dictators and supporters dead.I want people who shelter Russian immigrants to be hung as traitors and people who have shilled for Putin trace, found and killed and their children. It is a blessing and a miracle we have nuclear weapons to cleanse the earth of the cancer that is Russia and it's evil pet dictators and tyrannies. I want you and your family dead. I am happy to die if that is what is accomplished. I want nuclear war, I have faith in my people to find a way to survive and rebuild but I want Russia and Russians gone and any of their anti western fan base in Africa or the middle east or south America. I want a great cleansing and I am going to see it. You are dead, your family are dead and everything every Russian ever did consigned to oblivion and regarded as a dead civilisation likethe Hittites, I want Moscow leveled to the ground and the ground salted so nothing grows there, I want Russian expatriates hiding in western nations found and ground into bone meal and used to fertilise the land including their children. I'm a moderate. Europe has awoken from its sleep again and is rearming this stops when all our enemies have been ground into dust whether Russian, their pet dictators or their middle eastern pet monkeys. Kill them all. There are too many people.
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You know something? Not only are we going to Kaliningrad, we're going to Minsk, and St. Petersburg, and Moscow, and Novgorod, and Volgograd. And we're going to take Donetsk to take back the region! YEAAAAAGGHHHH
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Are you feeling okay bud?
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We were your biggest arms buyers even when it wasn't strictly in our interest and we went to Afghanistan with you, hosted your bases and when requested, we went along with your foreign policy in Asia.
Besides feels and vibes, can you tell me a single thing where EU opposed the US with material actions?
Are you legitimiately this r-slurred?
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Who's we? And like I suggested, the goodwill never really meant anything. Thanks for agreeing.
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'goodwill' was the reason EU countries went along with Afghanistan. It was also the reason why a lot of countries weren't anal about buying only europeans weapons, like the french. Thanks for agreeing.
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No, it's not. They're part of an alliance. They don't do this shit only because they like you.
Let's apply your goodwill theory to Russia and Ukraine: Russia didn't invade Ukraine before 2014 because they had so much goodwill between each other.
You see how dumb that is?
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I like how you were willingly excluding the part about weapon purchases. But by that metric, what part of the alliance did Europe not fulfill?
An integral part of an alliance is threathening your allies with taking over their land.
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I don't want peace. I want moar dead slavs.
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The poor Slavs.
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@fedposter is hoping the chuds are right and Trump announces tonight he is withdrawing from NATO.
@fedposter don't think he has figured out it's an offset of defense spending not a free ride for other countries. Also @fedposter is really curious too see if congress has a spine and this seems like the kind of nuclear issue that would set off much of the GOP.
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Lol frick the Eurostrags. Every nation thats not the USA, Russia, or China Is completely irrelevant.
If Ukraine wants to actually keep their self governance they should of took the mineral deal with no security. But the fact that Ukraine actually thought it had any bargaining power is hilarious.
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what did these allies do for me lately?
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Anything besides "I've signed the treaty proposed by mr trump" means frick all lol. Isn't that what you r-slurs say whenever trump does anything? "oh it's just bluster"? Learn to recognize the most obvious bluster imaginable.
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Get 'im, geroods!
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Picture of Zensky under Trump's strong "leadership"
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