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What are the most common mistakes you observe when male authors create women characters?

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Writing about our boobs from an aesthetic perspective. The only time I think about mine are when it's too hot out or my shoulders are aching from my bra straps.
I just read the most incredible novel, Moonglow by Micheal Chabon. It was thoughtful, moving, had something to say about people and relationships and society— and stopped almost every time we saw a woman character, no matter how small, to describe her boobs.

There's a moment where the main character sees his wife (who is otherwise a well developed character) for the first time after her being in inpatient, him being in prison, the suspense built up to be about longing and marriage and obligation, and the first thing we hear is about the shape of her boobs! It's shockingly common and a bizzare tic of male writers, even good ones.
>guy that didn't see his wife for a long time is horny 
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if shes the protagonist shes always "different" from other girls usally at the cost of making every other woman suck. if shes supporting character her story is completely focused on the men in her life. if shes the antagonist shes either a seductress or an old witch.
>story is more focused on the main character 
It's usually the big obvious effort to try to figure out what it's like inside a woman's head. I think, as a lit major who's therefore read enough men to feel like I can state this with some confidence, it's actually pretty similar to being in a man's head. There's a reason a lot of us women on reddit get accidentally called "bro" every so often; it's because generally our thoughts and feelings are not very different. I honestly would guess that if someone took a transcript of a day's worth of my thoughts, they wouldn't be 100% sure of my gender.

Some men, when they write women, just overthink the whole thing. A character's other personality traits are going to come through a lot stronger than their gender in most cases. A Type A dude and a Type A lady have a lot more in common with each other than that lady has with me.
>as a lit major 
stopped reading right there
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They never fail to emphasize the importance of beauty no matter what.

“In spite of the silver hair framing her face, and the deep creases around her eyes, I couldn't help but be bewitched by her beauty.” Or some corny shit like that.

These characters could literally be fighting for their lives during the dust bowl and male authors often just can't resist emphasizing how gorgeous she is because obviously she has to be in order to make the book interesting /s
This is the one that always gets me. It is actually, counterintuitively, why I have started to like cultivation fantasy stuff so much. 75% of them are written by total incels, so you have to filter all that out, but the stuff that remains is based on the Chinese fantasy ideal, which makes men SUPER pretty. ( Here is an example of what I am talking about. No idea who the character is, this is just how all the men are described.)

So instead of just a constant barrage of random hot women, you also get a constant barrage of random hot men. When everyone is crazy gorgeous it stops being the focus, so in the good ones it is usually only mentioned as part of their "advancement" away from mortality.

The bad ones are all harem psycopath protagonists though, so avoid that.
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My pet peeve is when a woman's death is used as a power to move the plot forward. It's such a popular trope that we barely register that!
I did a term paper on this! Like a decade ago—but I still remember that this trope is called Women in Refrigerators Syndrome. It's exactly as fricked up as it sounds.
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Remember when everyone lost their mind over Queen's Gambit? Don't get me wrong, I liked it too. But that scene where she's in the house alone at supposed rock bottom… bopping around the house in cute underwear, drinking booze, with makeup and her hair flowing. I was like who the frick wrote this? This isn't rock bottom, it's a Friday night. It was so unrealistic.
A woman being good at chess is far more unrealistic, but I don't see them complaining.































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I mean it's basically the story of Bobby fisher updated to modern sensibilities































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What are the most common mistakes you observe when male authors
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Writing about our boobs from an aesthetic perspective. The only time I think about mine are when it's too hot out or my shoulders are aching from my bra straps.
Yet the women I know IRL admit to sometimes just looking at their own boobs and thinking how good they look.
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Yes, last I checked every time we try to make tranners feel super valid over their euphoria boners, we talk about how biofoids also totally get horny over their own body all the time.
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all the time
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I can't help but nootice the discrepancy.
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I always figured saying that was :marseyattentionseeker: behavior.































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I hate this circlejerk so much.
  • The male protagonist noticed boobs from his third person limited POV. WTF?
  • The death of a loved one affects the protagonist's life. Yikes!
  • This female character cares about family or wants to have children. This can't be right, women are sexless economic cogs.
They always use the "breasted boobily" :soyquack: meme because they don't have an actual example from popular published fiction that's bad in context. Cheap way to feel superior despite utter lack of talent































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To be fair to foids. I've read French pulp fiction where the main character was literally "proud" of his 12 year old daughter's budding breasts, and it goes into detail about her body on the first page before moving onto an unrelated crime plot.
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of course it was
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It boils down to they like things made for women and dislike things made for men then engage in mental gymnastics to justify the obvious as an enlightened stance.































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the "breasted boobily" :soyquack: meme
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The death of a loved one affects the protagonist's life. Yikes!
The context to women-in-refrigerators is supposed to be that the love interest has zero development or context and is barely a character, not just that the woman died. Admittedly, there are sexist undertones to it, but it can technically refer to men too. Probably a fricking zoomer who got it off tvtropes too, instead of the old words poser ways of Wikipedia or old comic book forums. I hope no one is teaching academically, because it's from capeshit.































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The most common mistake women make when writing men is writing them to be cute twinks, either literally or just overly feminine in general, often while simping for post-wall women. Women themselves spend a great deal of time describing women, they just focus on women that don't make them feel insecure.
The men writing/drawing women subreddits are just grand displays of female insecurity, and their examples of good writing just focus on describing ugly and old women.































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The :marseypooner: interpretation of gay men is so hilariously wrong. I think I actually hate trans men more than trans women.































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Women themselves spend a great deal of time describing women, they just focus on women that don't make them feel insecure.
Also they spend a lot of time describing them too when putting them down to lift themselves up socially and emotionally.
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It was thoughtful, moving, had something to say about people and relationships and society— and stopped almost every time we saw a woman character, no matter how small, to describe her boobs.
There's a moment where the main character sees his wife (who is otherwise a well developed character) for the first time after her being in inpatient, him being in prison, the suspense built up to be about longing and marriage and obligation, and the first thing we hear is about the shape of her boobs! It's shockingly common and a bizzare tic of male writers, even good ones.
:#marseyshesright::#marseybooba::#marseycatgirl5:
I don't think women understand how into boobs some men are. They suspect, but they'll never really get it































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They look so nice































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This is like telling us "Thank god I have no taste buds, otherwise I'd be craving that gourmet meal." It just makes me feel sorry for you
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us butt men know what the real gourmet meal is, don't we folks?
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Legs
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Now you'll be :marseybooba: anytime a chicks walking in front of you































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Writing women is easy.
“Eye think of a man… and take away reason and accountability.”
Just like writing trans lives matter.































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My guess would be a lack of unhinged paranoia. Trust your gut ladies, if you hear a strange noise it's a male feminist and you should run.































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>They never fail to emphasize the importance of beauty no matter what. 
There's like a dozen front page twoX posts about beauty every day (and how much they hate how important it is because they're all fat and ugly)































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Common mistakes in writing realistic woman characters:
  • Making them strong.
  • Making them smart.
  • Making them capable of selfless love.
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if shes the protagonist shes always "different" from other girls usally at the cost of making every other woman suck. if shes supporting character her story is completely focused on the men in her life. if shes the antagonist shes either a seductress or an old witch.
Isn't this how feminist or at least girl boss movies make their male characters too? All the men suck except for the supporting male who simps for the girl boss and has no life of his own. And then the male antagonist is cartoonishly evil or bigotted.































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>i recommend works by mxtx! the manhua for ‘heaven's official blessing' has absolutely stunning art and the story is good too
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literally, feminist cope to justify why men arent needed to be consulted for grand claims about society and manhood, and ask literally any pooner and theyll say they didnt know what they were getting in for
>Im an r-slur but i cant recall where at the moment but i remember reading that women are de facto experts in the male perspective (but not the other way around) because they grow up having the world presented to them from it as a default
>they read books and watch tv and movies mainly written by and about men, and their politicians and political commentary tend to be male, and the assumed audience or default human is male, and etc *sips tea*
>relatedly, for myself the common mistake of men writing women is how one dimensional they tend to make them
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Women wouldn't want to be "default human" anyway. They like being special.































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I did a term paper on this! Like a decade ago—but I still remember that this trope is called Women in Refrigerators Syndrome. It's exactly as fricked up as it sounds.
BTW this comes from comics where everyone dies all the time. Like it isnt fricked up that DC killed a 15 year old boy in the form of a call in vote on if robin should die or not?































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Women, you think it's annoying to read books inspired by the straggot s*x instinct? Imagine having the straggot s*x insinct.































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Writing about our boobs from an aesthetic perspective. The only time I think about mine are when it's too hot out or my shoulders are aching from my bra straps.:
if shes the protagonist shes always "different" from other girls usally at the cost of making every other woman suck. if shes supporting character her story is completely focused on the men in her life. if shes the antagonist shes either a seductress or an old witch.:
It's usually the big obvious effort to try to figure out what it's like inside a woman's head. I think, as a lit major who's therefore read enough men to feel like I can state this with some confidence, it's actually pretty similar to being in a man's head. There's a reason a lot of us women on reddit get accidentally called "bro" every so often; it's because generally our thoughts and feelings are not very different. I honestly would guess that if someone took a transcript of a day's worth of my thoughts, they wouldn't be 100% sure of my gender.

Some men, when they write women, just overthink the whole thing. A character's other personality traits are going to come through a lot stronger than their gender in most cases. A Type A dude and a Type A lady have a lot more in common with each other than that lady has with me.:
They never fail to emphasize the importance of beauty no matter what.

“In spite of the silver hair framing her face, and the deep creases around her eyes, I couldn't help but be bewitched by her beauty.” Or some corny shit like that.

These characters could literally be fighting for their lives during the dust bowl and male authors often just can't resist emphasizing how gorgeous she is because obviously she has to be in order to make the book interesting /s:
My pet peeve is when a woman's death is used as a power to move the plot forward. It's such a popular trope that we barely register that!:
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