Warhammer Age of Sigmar players are angry after they get a taste of Games Workshop peepeeery after Beasts of Chaos :marseykrampus: is nixed as an army, but some believe GW is in the right. Scuffles ensue

Warhammer Age of Sigmar players are angry after they get a taste of Games Workshop peepeeery after Beasts of Chaos :marseykrampus:

is nixed as an army, but some believe GW is in the right. Scuffles ensue

TL;DR: Beastmen players get fukt again, 3 decades of suffering.

GW has just announced that a slew of models are getting nixed for AOS 4th ed. The three notable groups getting dropped is a wizard Stormcast thing (IDGAF about sigmarines, look it up yourself), savage orcs, and Beasts of Chaos. BoC getting dropped like this is particularly brutal, as this army has been the whipping boy for 30+ years both in fluff and in the rules. The writing has been on the wall for a while as despite 3rd edition being about the age of the beast, they got next to nothing.

Most are decrying the removal of several factions from the game as obviously scummy, but there are those who disagree. Using such arguments as "Guys, it's hard to write rules for an army so they had no choice" :marseyreading: , "GW didn't make any new models, there was nothing else they could do" :marseyshrug: , and "LMAO beastcucks go play The Old World" :marseylaugh: .

Needless to say, plenty of bickering in the warhammer subreddits. Some foolishly believe they can convince GW this is an r-slured move and are encouraging redditors to email GW about how disappointed they are. I encourage all BoC players to get started on rebasing. Should have done that already considering ToW and Fantasy (any edition) are better games. Probably shouldn't have even left square bases to begin with.

Notable threads:

https://old.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/1bvleo1/whats_leaving_the_aos_range_gw_confirms_boc_bone/

https://old.reddit.com/r/ageofsigmar/comments/1bvldw5/whats_leaving_the_aos_range_gw_confirms_boc_bone/

https://old.reddit.com/r/ageofsigmar/comments/1bvovfw/gw_removing_boc_one_year_after_releasing_a/

https://old.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/comments/1bvmsnq/my_condolences_to_the_seven_beasts_of_chaos/

Comments:

https://old.reddit.com/r/ageofsigmar/comments/1bvovfw/gw_removing_boc_one_year_after_releasing_a/ky0qvv8/?context=8

They aren't getting removed.

Your models will still have rules for years.

You don't have to start over. Those models don't disappear or stop working.

The only thing to be disappointed about is that there's not going to be anything new for them in terms of Age of Sigmar.

They're doing the right thing by telling you now that they won't be fully supported after 2025

They aren't getting removed.

They literally are getting removed as a faction.

Your models will still have rules for years.

You mean year.

You don't have to start over. Those models don't disappear or stop working.

You do if BoC is your only or main faction.

The only thing to be disappointed about is that there's not going to be anything new for them in terms of Age of Sigmar.

No. This is disingenuous. New PDF rules tend to be watered down and not as exciting. The army is as good as dead for fourth unless you want to play a bare-bones faction that probably won't be any fun.

They're doing the right thing by telling you now that they won't be fully supported after 2025

They are only doing the right thing in the context that they are squatting the army anyway. They aren't doing the right thing by squatting the army in the first place.

Side note: if you're argument is "well they are still used in Old World blah blah blah" this is an AoS and that's not relevant to most of the player base here.

https://old.reddit.com/r/ageofsigmar/comments/1bvovfw/gw_removing_boc_one_year_after_releasing_a/ky0ua2z/?context=8

I lost 3/4 of my army, but if it make the game better I'm good with it. Stop crying.

https://old.reddit.com/r/ageofsigmar/comments/1bvovfw/gw_removing_boc_one_year_after_releasing_a/ky0r0gv/?context=8

They are going to have legends rules for the time being.

https://old.reddit.com/r/ageofsigmar/comments/1bvldw5/whats_leaving_the_aos_range_gw_confirms_boc_bone/ky04jpv/?context=8

Friendly games can still have them .... I dont get the backlash , maybe its cause i have very few units ( that i dont even play ) affected

https://old.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/comments/1bvmsnq/my_condolences_to_the_seven_beasts_of_chaos/ky0ocpy/?context=8

oh boo-fricking-hoo to all you Stormcast, you've still almost twice as many options in just Footlords alone. so what you get a well deserved culling of your overbloated roster, you got plenty of other shiny golden butt Einherjar lookalikes that no one can tell apart from each other anyway, it's nothing compared to the Beast Players losing their ENTIRE GODDARN CODEX!

https://old.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/comments/1bvqpwp/warhammer_is_a_expensive_hobby_thoughts_leaving/ky1vupu/?context=8

Everyone is acting like those armies are forbidden from being played now. They are supported through legends, rules that are allowed everywhere but competitive tournaments. With the stats from a little while ago, that not even 10% of the playerbase attend any tournament through their hobby lifetime, let alone one that ban legends content this all seems like a crazy overreaction.

So if the community could just stop being babies about all this and put out actually interesting posts, I would really appreciate it.

Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

IVIayaelTheAnima I/We I’m 100% certain that at least half the mods do not have Faith or the Holy Spirit. 7mo ago #6214850

I lost 3/4 of my army, but if it make the game better I'm good with it

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DuckQuack wee/woo Quack IVIayaelTheAnima 7mo ago #6215048

People who unironically bought Stormcast models deserve whatever happens next.

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IVIayaelTheAnima I/We I’m 100% certain that at least half the mods do not have Faith or the Holy Spirit. 7mo ago #6214839

:marseyglancing: /h/traditionalgames :marseyglancing!:

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KoreanGrinchKing hey/hem Tallest Ricecel on this site. Increasing the East Asian Birth Rate by ANY means necessary IVIayaelTheAnima 7mo ago #6215101

Age of Sigmar is some zoomershit for show.

Now, lets go back to complaining about how wokescold Dungeons and Dragons 5th edition is and telling people to go back to Pathfinder 3.5 or some other jank system that no one plays instead.

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ChristoffWCranberry hedge/hog Jolt to the maximum! 7mo ago #6214814

I prefer fantasy to scifi and really wanted to get into AoS over 40k, but barely anyone near me plays AoS (while having 40k tourneys every week)

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IVIayaelTheAnima I/We I’m 100% certain that at least half the mods do not have Faith or the Holy Spirit. ChristoffWCranberry 7mo ago #6214841

Play 7th Edition WHFB coward

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zoldkong no/style vulgar

ChristoffWCranberry 7mo ago #6214887

I'm still not sure how 40k continues to dominate tables, game sucks to play. Granted, I'm bitter due to being an admech player.

Pelican they/them zoldkong 7mo ago #6215004

Cool minis, thats it. People don't want to play a better board tabletop with boring minis. Probably also brand recognition like how everyone plays D&D despite the fact they'd almost certainly be happier playing one built around actual roleplaying instead of dungeoncrawling.

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CHRISTMAS-LOVER-25 lick/bird/fish :horny:

Pelican 7mo ago #6215061

D&D 5e isn't even built around dungeoncrawling, it's built around nothing.

KoreanGrinchKing hey/hem Tallest Ricecel on this site. Increasing the East Asian Birth Rate by ANY means necessary CHRISTMAS-LOVER-25 7mo ago #6215104

People in DnD unironically get mad that dungeoncrawling has traps and shit.

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Elise_Culpepper Fae/Fay Sister(Brother) of the Arcanum of Norfolk KoreanGrinchKing 7mo ago #6215534

IT'S FRICKING ASTONISHING HOW FOID BRAINED THE AVERAGE DND CHUD IS "HEH ALL MAKE A SUPER POWERFUL CHARACTER AND COMPLAIN IF COMBAT ISN'T HAPPENING EVERY 5 MINUYES BUT I'LL SIMULTANEOUSLY AVOID COMBAT AT ALL COST." christ...

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KoreanGrinchKing hey/hem Tallest Ricecel on this site. Increasing the East Asian Birth Rate by ANY means necessary Elise_Culpepper 7mo ago #6215580

So many min-maxed combat-oriented PCs just get their buttholes reamed in any dungeon worth a darn by all the saves and skillchecks they need to do.

If you truly get bored, you can just send one of the many ghosts with the ability to possess said PC after a DC13 wisdom save that they can't possibly pass because its a dumpstat for them to PK the player party or have the party PK the minmaxer.

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Elise_Culpepper Fae/Fay Sister(Brother) of the Arcanum of Norfolk KoreanGrinchKing 7mo ago #6215655

THAT HAPPENED IN ONE OF THE BEST GAMES OF 5E I PLAYED, SHAME HALF OF THE CHUDS DIDN'T LEARN FROM THAT experience...

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IVIayaelTheAnima I/We I’m 100% certain that at least half the mods do not have Faith or the Holy Spirit. zoldkong 7mo ago #6215370

It's pure inertia from being the first. Same as D&D.

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Allende trussy/rate IVIayaelTheAnima 7mo ago #6215414

:mar#seyraging:

It wasn't the first cute twink

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DuckQuack wee/woo Quack zoldkong 7mo ago #6215051

Granted, I'm bitter due to being an admech player.

Admech players are literally the vegans of tabletop games.

DuckQuack 7mo ago #6215114

Yeah, I know. I'm not even mad we suck, they are just boring to play. It's a bit frustrating when Mechanicum in 30k is really mechanically interesting

DuckQuack wee/woo Quack zoldkong 7mo ago #6215165

Mech in 30k is one of the most pointlessly stupid books GW has ever written.

There are like 5 appendices for submechanics that only apply to units you're never going to use and don't do anything even if you dig into them.

DuckQuack 7mo ago #6215266

No clue what you're on about, book works well as long as your list has a central focus your tech priests can specialize themselves around. From my games I've found nearly every unit is usable and interesting in their own right (the vultarax being the notable exception, frickin thing sucks).

DuckQuack wee/woo Quack zoldkong 7mo ago #6215304

The only unit in the entire list that can actually kill its own points back is massed Myrmidons. Everything else just trades down or gets vaporized by massed Lascannons and Culverins.

Automata are just worse than Dreads body for body and worse than HSS point for point.

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IVIayaelTheAnima I/We I’m 100% certain that at least half the mods do not have Faith or the Holy Spirit. DuckQuack 7mo ago #6215378

massed Lascannons and Culverins.

That's an issue with the game, not the mechanicoom specifically. Everything dies to culverin and lascannon HSS

Allende trussy/rate zoldkong 7mo ago #6215037

At one point it was a decent game, and 10th isn't too bad. It's not the dark age of 7th on anymore.

The lore is also good and gets people.

Elise_Culpepper Fae/Fay Sister(Brother) of the Arcanum of Norfolk zoldkong 7mo ago #6215517

DAWN OF WAR AND SPACE MARINES ALL THE VIDYA ASSOCIATED WITH THE BRAND IS WHY IT'S AS POPULAR AS IT is...

KoreanGrinchKing hey/hem Tallest Ricecel on this site. Increasing the East Asian Birth Rate by ANY means necessary zoldkong 7mo ago #6215106

Big crypto-fascist.

HMS-Warspite uh/oh Marsey Royal Guard | Anti-France Activist zoldkong 7mo ago #6216549

It just has that aura around it.

I do think the lore/universe helps massively as well, no other table top game has me nearly as invested in the lore as 40k does

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ManBearHumbug O/I Subject Expert: Mayo Nonsense/Moderator 7mo ago #6214913

I wish they did this to Beastmen in Blood Bowl.

:chad!black2: :marseybear: :marseyrefrigerator:

IVIayaelTheAnima I/We I’m 100% certain that at least half the mods do not have Faith or the Holy Spirit. ManBearHumbug 7mo ago #6215397

And fricking elves

STOP DODGING :marseyraging:

ManBearHumbug O/I Subject Expert: Mayo Nonsense/Moderator IVIayaelTheAnima 7mo ago #6215447

Rats are the only legit agility team. At least when you lose against them half their team is crippled.

ManBearHumbug 7mo ago #6214960

Was looking to play BB, what makes them good? They just looked like stat sticks when I browsed through them

DuckQuack wee/woo Quack zoldkong 7mo ago #6215072

"We'll kill them where they stand. And we might even score a touchdown!"

Chaos in BB is basically a "they lose or draw" team but they accomplish this by bashing and stomping as many players as they can. In a league against a solid Chosen or Khorne (or Chorf lmao) team youre basically guaranteed at least a draw but youre going to end up with a dead/disabled player.

They're really fun in high development leagues when a Dirty Player or two can chain foul and kill a cute twink Wardancer. Think Dirty Player Zombie cheese but across the whole squad. Then they get too wrapped up in Mutations and get a few of their own developed dudes killed and the team is sunk in the league.

ManBearHumbug O/I Subject Expert: Mayo Nonsense/Moderator zoldkong 7mo ago #6215409 Edited 7mo ago

Decently cheap. Always good to blitz with which means you can't single them out as an opponent because there are so many. 8 armor/6 movement (ideal). And what sets them over the edge is getting mutations as normal upgrades. That's huge. The only downside is they need doubles for agility upgrades but that's not a big deal at all.

The first couple matches will be annoying but after that they have the fullest set of abities.

MayflyAlt-98 Your/Grace Self-taught hypebeast 7mo ago #6214899 Edited 7mo ago

How fricking difficult is it to just make Beastmen NUKE your army if they flank you via line of sight for rangecels and shamans or within melee? That's all they need to do beyond freakish mutant "animal legs, human torso, animal head" models and some flavorful magic.

Like idk "AMBUSH PREDATOR - when flanking an enemy unit from the side ROLL 1 EXTRA DICE TO WOUND and apply a morale MALUS to all enemy save throws. IF flanking from behind every dice with an EVEN result is a garunteed KILL of 1 model per combat phase"

DuckQuack wee/woo Quack MayflyAlt-98 7mo ago #6215056

BoC in the last edition of Siggy had literally 1/4th the length of a game dedicated to bookkeeping and buff/ability management. Battle Reports with them were even more unwatchable than usual because of the raw amount of time filling needed while one dude poured over a book and rolled dice mumbling to himself for 20 minutes before declaring a r*pe train.

Big Waaagh in the same edition had a similar problem with being broken but it was all linear so you just had to count upwards for a second.

MayflyAlt-98 Your/Grace Self-taught hypebeast DuckQuack 7mo ago #6215124

The only Siggy army I ever played was Gloomspite Gitz :smuggoblin: I only played until 3rd ed tho :marseygiveup: .

Beastmen are portrayed as being utterly straightforward so have very simple but very powerful abilities fits them imo not all that bs buff busywork. ie Flank = :marseyitsover: Magic = keep units immobile to be flanked by minotaurs :marseyitsoverhappy:

DuckQuack wee/woo Quack 7mo ago #6215047

The minute GW incorporated the fans became secondary to the shareholders.

Remember the saying. You are not a customer. You are an obstacle between GW and your wallet.

Holy shit these dudes are so unbelievably mind broken. :marseyxd:

The sculpts they're squatting are older than anyone who has ever played AoS

IVIayaelTheAnima I/We I’m 100% certain that at least half the mods do not have Faith or the Holy Spirit. DuckQuack 7mo ago #6215395

As though GW wasn't always money-grubbing bastards even before they went public

Allende trussy/rate 7mo ago #6215030 Edited 7mo ago

The only thing to be disappointed about is that there's not going to be anything new for them in terms of Age of Sigmar

I hate this attitude. Armies aren't the same as shit like rotation in magic or YuGiOh. You spend tens to hundreds of hours getting it to a good point and losing your entire army is lame as frick. Which if they aren't getting new rules after awhile you are in fact losing them.

I used to play with a c*nt who was still using 3.5 chapter approved rules in 6th edition when they were obviously broken. His argument "they have never been superceded." But it's obvious the rules just don't work after awhile and become unusable.

I also tend to think GW is trying to get to a point where they do rotate like magic. "oh these models aren't usable anymore you need to buy the new ones :marseymerchant: "

My friends think they are getting squatted for the old world. But why else would they do it to the gay butt sigmarines that don't exist in fantasy, and are pretty new if they weren't trying to push a magic style rotation?

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IVIayaelTheAnima I/We I’m 100% certain that at least half the mods do not have Faith or the Holy Spirit. Allende 7mo ago #6215393

It also completely ignores that most people only play whatever is current for ease of organisation. People just don't care to discuss optional things, especially when it ends up with one player telling the other they can't use the only army they brought.