is nixed as an army, but some believe GW is in the right. Scuffles ensue
TL;DR: Beastmen players get fukt again, 3 decades of suffering.
GW has just announced that a slew of models are getting nixed for AOS 4th ed. The three notable groups getting dropped is a wizard Stormcast thing (IDGAF about sigmarines, look it up yourself), savage orcs, and Beasts of Chaos. BoC getting dropped like this is particularly brutal, as this army has been the whipping boy for 30+ years both in fluff and in the rules. The writing has been on the wall for a while as despite 3rd edition being about the age of the beast, they got next to nothing.
Most are decrying the removal of several factions from the game as obviously scummy, but there are those who disagree. Using such arguments as "Guys, it's hard to write rules for an army so they had no choice" 
, "GW didn't make any new models, there was nothing else they could do" 
, and "LMAO beastcucks go play The Old World" 
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Needless to say, plenty of bickering in the warhammer subreddits. Some foolishly believe they can convince GW this is an r-slured move and are encouraging redditors to email GW about how disappointed they are. I encourage all BoC players to get started on rebasing. Should have done that already considering ToW and Fantasy (any edition) are better games. Probably shouldn't have even left square bases to begin with.
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They aren't getting removed.
Your models will still have rules for years.
You don't have to start over. Those models don't disappear or stop working.
The only thing to be disappointed about is that there's not going to be anything new for them in terms of Age of Sigmar.
They're doing the right thing by telling you now that they won't be fully supported after 2025
They aren't getting removed.
They literally are getting removed as a faction.
Your models will still have rules for years.
You mean year.
You don't have to start over. Those models don't disappear or stop working.
You do if BoC is your only or main faction.
The only thing to be disappointed about is that there's not going to be anything new for them in terms of Age of Sigmar.
No. This is disingenuous. New PDF rules tend to be watered down and not as exciting. The army is as good as dead for fourth unless you want to play a bare-bones faction that probably won't be any fun.
They're doing the right thing by telling you now that they won't be fully supported after 2025
They are only doing the right thing in the context that they are squatting the army anyway. They aren't doing the right thing by squatting the army in the first place.
Side note: if you're argument is "well they are still used in Old World blah blah blah" this is an AoS and that's not relevant to most of the player base here.
I lost 3/4 of my army, but if it make the game better I'm good with it. Stop crying.
They are going to have legends rules for the time being.
Friendly games can still have them .... I dont get the backlash , maybe its cause i have very few units ( that i dont even play ) affected
oh boo-fricking-hoo to all you Stormcast, you've still almost twice as many options in just Footlords alone. so what you get a well deserved culling of your overbloated roster, you got plenty of other shiny golden butt Einherjar lookalikes that no one can tell apart from each other anyway, it's nothing compared to the Beast Players losing their ENTIRE GODDARN CODEX!
Everyone is acting like those armies are forbidden from being played now. They are supported through legends, rules that are allowed everywhere but competitive tournaments. With the stats from a little while ago, that not even 10% of the playerbase attend any tournament through their hobby lifetime, let alone one that ban legends content this all seems like a crazy overreaction.
So if the community could just stop being babies about all this and put out actually interesting posts, I would really appreciate it.
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People who unironically bought Stormcast models deserve whatever happens next.
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Age of Sigmar is some zoomershit for show.
Now, lets go back to complaining about how wokescold Dungeons and Dragons 5th edition is and telling people to go back to Pathfinder 3.5 or some other jank system that no one plays instead.
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I prefer fantasy to scifi and really wanted to get into AoS over 40k, but barely anyone near me plays AoS (while having 40k tourneys every week)
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Play 7th Edition WHFB coward
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I'm still not sure how 40k continues to dominate tables, game sucks to play. Granted, I'm bitter due to being an admech player.
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Cool minis, thats it. People don't want to play a better board tabletop with boring minis. Probably also brand recognition like how everyone plays D&D despite the fact they'd almost certainly be happier playing one built around actual roleplaying instead of dungeoncrawling.
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D&D 5e isn't even built around dungeoncrawling, it's built around nothing.
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People in DnD unironically get mad that dungeoncrawling has traps and shit.
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IT'S FRICKING ASTONISHING HOW FOID BRAINED THE AVERAGE DND CHUD IS "HEH ALL MAKE A SUPER POWERFUL CHARACTER AND COMPLAIN IF COMBAT ISN'T HAPPENING EVERY 5 MINUYES BUT I'LL SIMULTANEOUSLY AVOID COMBAT AT ALL COST." christ...
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So many min-maxed combat-oriented PCs just get their buttholes reamed in any dungeon worth a darn by all the saves and skillchecks they need to do.
If you truly get bored, you can just send one of the many ghosts with the ability to possess said PC after a DC13 wisdom save that they can't possibly pass because its a dumpstat for them to PK the player party or have the party PK the minmaxer.
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THAT HAPPENED IN ONE OF THE BEST GAMES OF 5E I PLAYED, SHAME HALF OF THE CHUDS DIDN'T LEARN FROM THAT experience...
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It's pure inertia from being the first. Same as D&D.
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It wasn't the first cute twink
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Admech players are literally the vegans of tabletop games.
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Yeah, I know. I'm not even mad we suck, they are just boring to play. It's a bit frustrating when Mechanicum in 30k is really mechanically interesting
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Mech in 30k is one of the most pointlessly stupid books GW has ever written.
There are like 5 appendices for submechanics that only apply to units you're never going to use and don't do anything even if you dig into them.
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No clue what you're on about, book works well as long as your list has a central focus your tech priests can specialize themselves around. From my games I've found nearly every unit is usable and interesting in their own right (the vultarax being the notable exception, frickin thing sucks).
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The only unit in the entire list that can actually kill its own points back is massed Myrmidons. Everything else just trades down or gets vaporized by massed Lascannons and Culverins.
Automata are just worse than Dreads body for body and worse than HSS point for point.
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That's an issue with the game, not the mechanicoom specifically. Everything dies to culverin and lascannon HSS
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At one point it was a decent game, and 10th isn't too bad. It's not the dark age of 7th on anymore.
The lore is also good and gets people.
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DAWN OF WAR AND SPACE MARINES ALL THE VIDYA ASSOCIATED WITH THE BRAND IS WHY IT'S AS POPULAR AS IT is...
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Big crypto-fascist.
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It just has that aura around it.
I do think the lore/universe helps massively as well, no other table top game has me nearly as invested in the lore as 40k does
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How fricking difficult is it to just make Beastmen NUKE your army if they flank you via line of sight for rangecels and shamans or within melee? That's all they need to do beyond freakish mutant "animal legs, human torso, animal head" models and some flavorful magic.
Like idk "AMBUSH PREDATOR - when flanking an enemy unit from the side ROLL 1 EXTRA DICE TO WOUND and apply a morale MALUS to all enemy save throws. IF flanking from behind every dice with an EVEN result is a garunteed KILL of 1 model per combat phase"
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Holy shit these dudes are so unbelievably mind broken.
The sculpts they're squatting are older than anyone who has ever played AoS
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As though GW wasn't always money-grubbing bastards even before they went public
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I hate this attitude. Armies aren't the same as shit like rotation in magic or YuGiOh. You spend tens to hundreds of hours getting it to a good point and losing your entire army is lame as frick. Which if they aren't getting new rules after awhile you are in fact losing them.
I used to play with a c*nt who was still using 3.5 chapter approved rules in 6th edition when they were obviously broken. His argument "they have never been superceded." But it's obvious the rules just don't work after awhile and become unusable.
I also tend to think GW is trying to get to a point where they do rotate like magic. "oh these models aren't usable anymore you need to buy the new ones
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My friends think they are getting squatted for the old world. But why else would they do it to the gay butt sigmarines that don't exist in fantasy, and are pretty new if they weren't trying to push a magic style rotation?
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It also completely ignores that most people only play whatever is current for ease of organisation. People just don't care to discuss optional things, especially when it ends up with one player telling the other they can't use the only army they brought.
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Reminds me of when i was getting into 40k and they squatted half the robots and machines from chaos for some reason
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Beastoids get to play a whole new game for free! (Square bases not included)
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I wish they did this to Beastmen in Blood Bowl.
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And fricking elves
STOP DODGING
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Rats are the only legit agility team. At least when you lose against them half their team is crippled.
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Was looking to play BB, what makes them good? They just looked like stat sticks when I browsed through them
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"We'll kill them where they stand. And we might even score a touchdown!"
Chaos in BB is basically a "they lose or draw" team but they accomplish this by bashing and stomping as many players as they can. In a league against a solid Chosen or Khorne (or Chorf lmao) team youre basically guaranteed at least a draw but youre going to end up with a dead/disabled player.
They're really fun in high development leagues when a Dirty Player or two can chain foul and kill a cute twink Wardancer. Think Dirty Player Zombie cheese but across the whole squad. Then they get too wrapped up in Mutations and get a few of their own developed dudes killed and the team is sunk in the league.
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Decently cheap. Always good to blitz with which means you can't single them out as an opponent because there are so many. 8 armor/6 movement (ideal). And what sets them over the edge is getting mutations as normal upgrades. That's huge. The only downside is they need doubles for agility upgrades but that's not a big deal at all.
The first couple matches will be annoying but after that they have the fullest set of abities.
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those are obviously getting model updates
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They'll live forever in total Warhammer 3
Which seriously should be the only Warhammer fantasy thing anyone should sink time into of they're getting into the hobby. Less expensive
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MAN I CAN'T HELP BUT FEEL DRUKHARI ARE NEXT AND I JUST BOUGHT THE FRICKING COMBAT patrol...
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Drukhari will never get replaced.
If anyone was going to get sunset in 40k it would be the Genestealer Cult.
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squatted
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