!g*mers, I don't know anything about these games aside from a few memes, but am I right in assuming Hades is about Greek mythology? Because if these !chuds are opposed to homosexual relationships in !classics, they're gonna have some problems...
Sorta, the devs also blackwashed some gods and did some other "representation" shit too on top of gays. From the complaints I've read it's not the gays that the chuds are annoyed with in Hades and Hades 2, it's the sacrifice of design on the altar of progressiveness instead of doing another Pantheon of gods or something.
Here are Athena, Hephaestus, and Hestia for context. Hephaestus is at least somewhat defensible but I included him because of how poorly thought out the design is.
Hades is beautiful, well designed, good gameplay on top of it and all. But the whimsicalness and the overall atmosphere of a middle school playground is very repulsive to me. It's quite infected with the infantilisation virus and I find it a bit pitiful how writers shy away from any and all serious topics nowadays. Have some of the characters display weakness, anger and hideousness for god's sake, it's part of our world.
The main artist is an asian woman who draws gay fujo porn mostly and it shows. Women are all asexual/androgynous and fully covered, men are half-naked twinks or bara bear gays.
Yes we know there's nothing suggesting such a relationship in the actual text of the Iliad and classical Greek commentators centuries later viewing it as a pederastic relationship was largely their own cultural bias and Greek pederasty is itself not even remotely equivalent to the contemporary idea of a romantic relationship between two equals of the same s*x thank you bye
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They look like aliens. Dark skin colour but no black facial features. Kind of like when japs create black characters but with the samey anime faces so it looks shit and uncanny.
The elites don't want you too know this but the sacred band of thebes was invented by thespians in the 80s. Think about it- theatre people that rhyme with lesbians
Them being a bunch of gay boys was what their enemies wrote about them to insult them but keep on believing ghat gay people were just highly accepted back then
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This would not be insulting in ancient Greece, as no classical historian found it insulting, and all of them agree on its historicity. Only a few writers who were against Thebes make no mention of it, and doubt about its historicity did not exist before some revisionists in the modern academic field of history.
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Why lie? Every classical author which mentions the band notes its composition.
EDIT: I exaggerated a little here, and in later replies as you'll see, because this kind of narrative is pushed often in a way I dislike, a way which often takes misrepresentation to an extreme- not nice of me. This comment actually means "well, if we drop oratory works, and sources mentioned by name or fragmentary, a large majority (actually, all, since without Against Demosthenes, there are five excerpts which talk about the Sacred Band directly) of works mentions this". But to be clear: there are eleven 'surviving' (at least mentioned, or quoted, alluded) sources (not necessarily the same as books or texts), and six explicitly talk about a sexual aspect; likewise, six out of nine authors explicitly. There are six 'texts', and five of the 'texts' mention the sexual aspect. The number of soldiers*, and the elite capability, is constant.
I quote the six authors, and five texts in the next reply (Plutarch, Dio Chrysostom, Hieronymus the Peripatetic, Athenaeus, Polynaeus, Maximus Tyrius). For interests of completion, and integrity, I will also quote the rest:
What do you think it is, Athenians, that makes cities vary between good and evil fortunes? You will find only one cause: the counsellors and leaders. Take Thebes. It was a city; it became supreme. Under what leaders and generals? All the older men, on whose authority I shall give you the story, would admit that it was when Pelopidas, so they have it, led the Sacred Band and Epaminondas and their compeers were in command
Dinarchus's Against Demosthenes
*Diodorus names a Theban elite order with 500 soldiers, but he never mentions the Sacred Band, so it's unclear if he's referring to it, omitting it, doing it for some kind of realistic balance, or what. I mean, his work isn't exactly in a complete state, anyway.
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Unless the supposed gay dude from the 70s is a time traveler, I don't know what to say. Thebes is a polis which practiced pederasty quite a bit
Gorgidas, according to some, first formed the Sacred Band of three hundred chosen men, to whom, as being a guard for the citadel, the State allowed provision, and all things necessary for exercise: and hence they were called the city band, as citadels of old were usually called cities. Others say that it was composed of young men attached to each other by personal affection, and a pleasant saying of Pammenes is current, that Homer's Nestor was not well skilled in ordering an army, when he advised the Greeks to rank tribe and tribe, and family and family together, that "So tribe might tribe, and kinsmen kinsmen aid." but that he should have joined lovers and their beloved.
Plutarch's Life of Pelopidas
Moreover, take the splendid feats of the present day; would not a person discover that they are all done for glory's sake by persons willing to endure hardship and jeopardy, rather than by those who are drifting into the habit of preferring pleasure to a good name? Yet Pausanias, the lover of the poet Agathon, has said in his defence of those who wallow in lasciviousness that the most valiant army, even, would be one recruited of lovers and their favourites! ... But he went further and adduced as evidence in support of his position both the Thebans and the Eleans, alleging that this was their policy; he stated, in fine, that though sharing common beds they nevertheless assigned to their favourites places alongside themselves in the battle-line.
Xenophon's Symposium
...about training for war and the organization of not merely the heavy-armed troops in general, but also of the formation which Epaminondas is said to have invented, in which he put the 'lovers' along with their beloved in order that they might have a better chance of coming through safely and might be witness to one another's courage or cowardice — and history tells us that this Sacred Band, as it was called, conquered the Spartans in the battle of Leuctra though these were supported by all Greece.
Dio Chrysostom's Discourses
But Hieronymus the Peripatetic says that the ancients were anxious to encourage the practice of having boy-favourites, because the vigorous disposition of youths, and the confidence engendered by their association with each other, has often led to the overthrow of tyrants. For in the presence of his favourite, a man would choose to do anything rather than to get the reputation of being a coward. And this was proved in practice in the case of the Sacred Band, as it was called, which was established at Thebes by Epaminondas. Harmodius and Aristogeiton made a deadly attack on the Peisistratidae; and at Acragas in Sicily, the mutual love of Chariton and Melanippus produced a similar result, as we are told by Heracleides of Pontus, in his treatise On Amatory Matters.
Athenaeus's Deipnosophists
Gorgidas was the man, who first established the sacred band in Thebes; it consisted of three hundred men, who were devoted to each other by mutual obligations of love. And such was the effect of the passion, which they had conceived for each other, that they scarcely ever turned to flight; but they either died for each other, or bravely conquered.
Polyaenus's Strategems
Epaminondas, therefore, giving arms both to the lovers and the beloved, formed a sacred amatory band, powerful and unconquerable, skilfully defended and infrangible. This was a band, such as neither Nestor formed about Uion, though the most skilful of commanders, nor the Heraclidae about Peloponnesus, nor the Peloponnesians about Attica
Maximus Tyrius's Dissertations
You may deny the historicity of the Sacred Band. But just because someone on the Internet made up that the classics are a homosexual conspiracy, doesn't mean classical texts vanished. To deny that there was a strong association, whether it be true or not, of the Sacred Band with pederasty (as there are many classical Greek heroes of this type, not being a one off) - is a total fabrication, a total lie.
EDIT: Miffin mentions that modern writers, apparently, translate 'friends' as 'lovers', due to some homosexual agenda. Well, firstly, all of these quotes are from translations pre-homosexual acceptance/liberation in the west [some of these are literally from the 17th-18th century], as I mention later. In any case, "eromeneos" and/or "erastes" are used in every single excerpt... it is not possible, indeed it is false, to translate these as "friends", as they mean beloved, and lover.
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!g*mers, I don't know anything about these games aside from a few memes, but am I right in assuming Hades is about Greek mythology? Because if these !chuds are opposed to homosexual relationships in !classics, they're gonna have some problems...
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It's not homosex, the entire cast is a progressive stack and the aesthetic is a revolting tumblr style
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Sorta, the devs also blackwashed some gods and did some other "representation" shit too on top of gays. From the complaints I've read it's not the gays that the chuds are annoyed with in Hades and Hades 2, it's the sacrifice of design on the altar of progressiveness instead of doing another Pantheon of gods or something.
Here are Athena, Hephaestus, and Hestia for context. Hephaestus is at least somewhat defensible but I included him because of how poorly thought out the design is.
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Hades is beautiful, well designed, good gameplay on top of it and all. But the whimsicalness and the overall atmosphere of a middle school playground is very repulsive to me. It's quite infected with the infantilisation virus and I find it a bit pitiful how writers shy away from any and all serious topics nowadays. Have some of the characters display weakness, anger and hideousness for god's sake, it's part of our world.
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The main artist is an asian woman who draws gay fujo porn mostly and it shows. Women are all asexual/androgynous and fully covered, men are half-naked twinks or bara bear gays.
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Le heckin so dark is just as bad
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I liked how they gave them black skin but didn't change their features at all, so they're clearly not black people
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Overcooked people
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They also have gay stuff between Achilles and Patroclus but thats not exactly a new concept
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Good bait but you're not going to provoke me into essayposting about gaywashing.
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Take it up with Plato, cute twink
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Plato was an r-slur and got dabbed on by Dionysus.
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remind me in 3 days to effortpost about that shit
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Yes we know there's nothing suggesting such a relationship in the actual text of the Iliad and classical Greek commentators centuries later viewing it as a pederastic relationship was largely their own cultural bias and Greek pederasty is itself not even remotely equivalent to the contemporary idea of a romantic relationship between two equals of the same s*x thank you bye
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I can't believe they got away with blackface Ruckus
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I hope they didn't race-swap Heracles/Melkart into something other than an Arab.
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I did that intentionally.
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Look bro sorry to say this but these designs go hard af
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Dc about skin color but Hestia was a goddess of hearth and home, and a grandma is a great representation of a warm home
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And she has that black American blotchy skin issue!
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She needs to make a big pot of gumbo!
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The design sucks, her face is fricked up, Hestia shouldn't be a black american granny, and also frick you court adjourned
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They look like aliens. Dark skin colour but no black facial features. Kind of like when japs create black characters but with the samey anime faces so it looks shit and uncanny.
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Why is Athena a dark elf?
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The greek soldiers were homosexual myth was made up by a gay dude in the 70s.
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The elites don't want you too know this but the sacred band of thebes was invented by thespians in the 80s. Think about it- theatre people that rhyme with lesbians
@Grue stand with Israel
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Them being a bunch of gay boys was what their enemies wrote about them to insult them but keep on believing ghat gay people were just highly accepted back then
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They should've tried harder to make it sound insulting if they wanted that theory to hold ground
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Me suffixing every insult with -igger to make it cemented in theory
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Yeah i guess cute twinks dont really mind being called that these days but it was at one point considered a pretty big insult
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This would not be insulting in ancient Greece, as no classical historian found it insulting, and all of them agree on its historicity. Only a few writers who were against Thebes make no mention of it, and doubt about its historicity did not exist before some revisionists in the modern academic field of history.
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Thoughts about them being gay didn't really exist until the 70s
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Why lie? Every classical author which mentions the band notes its composition.
EDIT: I exaggerated a little here, and in later replies as you'll see, because this kind of narrative is pushed often in a way I dislike, a way which often takes misrepresentation to an extreme- not nice of me. This comment actually means "well, if we drop oratory works, and sources mentioned by name or fragmentary, a large majority (actually, all, since without Against Demosthenes, there are five excerpts which talk about the Sacred Band directly) of works mentions this". But to be clear: there are eleven 'surviving' (at least mentioned, or quoted, alluded) sources (not necessarily the same as books or texts), and six explicitly talk about a sexual aspect; likewise, six out of nine authors explicitly. There are six 'texts', and five of the 'texts' mention the sexual aspect. The number of soldiers*, and the elite capability, is constant.
I quote the six authors, and five texts in the next reply (Plutarch, Dio Chrysostom, Hieronymus the Peripatetic, Athenaeus, Polynaeus, Maximus Tyrius). For interests of completion, and integrity, I will also quote the rest:
Dinarchus's Against Demosthenes
*Diodorus names a Theban elite order with 500 soldiers, but he never mentions the Sacred Band, so it's unclear if he's referring to it, omitting it, doing it for some kind of realistic balance, or what. I mean, his work isn't exactly in a complete state, anyway.
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Why believe the lies you've been told? You havent read any of these sources let alone first hand sources.
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Unless the supposed gay dude from the 70s is a time traveler, I don't know what to say. Thebes is a polis which practiced pederasty quite a bit
Plutarch's Life of Pelopidas
Xenophon's Symposium
Dio Chrysostom's Discourses
Athenaeus's Deipnosophists
Polyaenus's Strategems
Maximus Tyrius's Dissertations
You may deny the historicity of the Sacred Band. But just because someone on the Internet made up that the classics are a homosexual conspiracy, doesn't mean classical texts vanished. To deny that there was a strong association, whether it be true or not, of the Sacred Band with pederasty (as there are many classical Greek heroes of this type, not being a one off) - is a total fabrication, a total lie.
EDIT: Miffin mentions that modern writers, apparently, translate 'friends' as 'lovers', due to some homosexual agenda. Well, firstly, all of these quotes are from translations pre-homosexual acceptance/liberation in the west [some of these are literally from the 17th-18th century], as I mention later. In any case, "eromeneos" and/or "erastes" are used in every single excerpt... it is not possible, indeed it is false, to translate these as "friends", as they mean beloved, and lover.
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you got this from that tard trad youtuber didn't you
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Nope, college class
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university of alabama?
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