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JESUS CHRIST. A FANTASY GAME WHERE THE THIEVES GUILD DOESNT ACTUALLY STEAL BECAUSE ITS TOO PROBLEMATIC pic.twitter.com/CLvDOYerX5
— ZODIAC MOTHERFUCKER (@ZODIAC_MF) November 8, 2024
I'm not fact checking this because it's really funny.
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Seeing "crap" used that way in a fantasy setting just feels so incredibly wrong. Why are current writers incapable of writing in any vernacular besides contemporary American coastcel?
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Matt Groening ruined a generation of writers
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Matt Groening? !kino, this is clearly Joss Whedon's fault, with honorable mentions for Greg Berlanti, Rob Thomas, and Ryan Murphy.
Whedon pioneered this sort of dialogue by having every character he's ever written speak the exact same way. Doesn't matter if they're a teenage girl in 1990s SoCal, the clone of an alien-killing ship's officer in deep space, or a comic book superhero of any conceivable age or backstory; they all sound the same.
Along with Whedon, Berlanti and Thomas made certain this style of writing was the standard for UPN, WB, and CW shows. Murphy and Whedon allowed it to breech containment via Glee for television and The Avengers for films, both of which were far more successful than they had any right to be. No longer was this dreck relegated to teen dramas and terrible sequels. It became the standard for everything.
Now here we are, almost 30 years after the premiere of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and people who spent their 20s and 30s hearing nothing but dialogue they should've left behind in their teens are running writers' rooms. Of course every character speaks like a perpetual child. They're all written by perpetual children.
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Whedon has done such multi-generational damage to writers it is actually sad.
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Whedon is really skilled and the reality is that HE can pull off a story full of rarted quips and literally nobody who tries to ape his style can
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He used to be, but he hasn't been able to pull it off since 2010.
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Yeah, he's good at what he does. I just want that to be in TV shows on CW that I don't watch, not taking over all media everywhere.
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Reasonable and fair!
His shows were a lot better than current CWslop
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At least the CW knows that people want hot actors
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The only whedon thing i ever saw was avengers in like 2013 and the whole thing was so lifeless, like an overlong superbowl spot. I was baffled as to why it was getting critical praise heaped on it
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The real problem is that reading shit as banal and basic as Kurt Vonnegut is considered revolutionary. A trick to good dialogue is to listen to how real people talk. Go watch real court cases .
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Is it becouse schools dont force people to read anymore. Not even higher education? Its wild how stuff like Naipaul and Céline is rarely talked about. When they should be must read for anyone who wants to write anything
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Whedon style is undercutting everything with joke. No matter how serius situation or moment. You break it up with joke. Whedon is really good at that stuff and stuff he did was mostly camp. It was lighthearted fun even if it was serius.
Whole thing breaks apart when someone else tries to do serius story. And yet eveything gets undercut with quips. I have no idea why they do this. Someone said it was becouse they know their writing sucks or are unsure about it. Making it comedic is way to shield it. You dont comit to it.
Its joke. It suposed to be funny.
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Seek help.
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I would if I could, LP. Unfortunately, the !writecel ping group can only do so much. Which is to say, nothing at all.
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Because they have never left their coastcel bubble.
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You've never left your favela and yet your speech is composed primarily of quirked up 'teen speech. It's a lack of exposure of other manners of speaking, or even a lack of confidence in being able to execute it. Or maybe an obsession with accessibility has gentrified the fantasy setting for normalfriends. They've torn down the whorehouses and skooma shacks and put up craft breweries and now serve hazy IPAs and play gender inclusive gwent-clones on the bar counter.
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Why were their no prostitutes in skyrim? Were they all at the imperial army camps I never visited? Did the vampires and serial killers eat them all?
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You clearly didn't have the right mods.
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With mods like those. You dont pay to them
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The devs must have been biased against s*x work. Can you believe that in our day and age there's still people like that?
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Because Skyrim is barebones as frick because Todd really wanted the 11.11.11 release date.
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Also they haven't been exposed to anything in school from outside their bubble. There's no need to read the works of dead old white men.
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I was reading through my meemaw's cooking book from 1916 the other day and it's just written so delightfully
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While I do think it's kind of odd how the genre convention is for fantasy people to sound overly format, it's really weird when they go the entire opposite direction into sounding insanely contemporaneous.
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It just sounds inorganic. We know it's translated from an alien language for our convenience .
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It is translated from canadian.
Aperently french and German localasations are nuts. I wonder how crazy that must be.
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That's a big reason I can't watch the supposedly
good 
NuTrek show (Strange New Worlds).
All the dialogue sounds like it was written by Joss Whedon.
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These are supposed to be disciplined Starfleet officers running a highly sophisticated starship, not high school kids who just learned how to drive a car.
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That's because none of the writers have been in the military. Or know anyone who has.
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But it's so relatable!!
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The way I do it is to figure out two regions and eras I want to use as inspiration and rip them off after doing a lot of research. The more dissimilar and weirder the better. Like Zimbabwe-era Rhodesians and Imperial Prussians Rhodesian Ridgeback-Cockatiels. Or Navajo-Hopi-Mormon-Chinese Victorian spiritualist cat griffins. Then work backwards from them. You can't be accused of cultural appropriation if you end up with the weirdness of Morrowind. I found combining a culture's mythology with their actual history does weird things. Supposedly the Navajo and Hopi are descendants of bird people and once lived in a world with cat people. They also hate when outsiders talk about their rituals and religion so I substituted victorian spiritualism and Chinese ancestor worship for most of their real religions and customs because both the Navajo and Hopi fear the dead and avoid talking about them to attract attention. So flip it. Do the opposite. Instead of fearing the dead they never shut the funk up about them. They carve kachina stye statues of them and the weird science mummy have their own pueblos where they unlive and guard the secrets of their original homeland. A good fantasy setting should have a healthy dollop of fever dream.
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That sounds like a lot of work when you can just rip off Jack Vance
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One man's crap is another man's treasure
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This is canadian studio. They are so california brained its insane
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