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The Reddit Protest Is a Battle for the Soul of the Human Internet :marseynerd2:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/g5yykm/the-reddit-protest-is-a-battle-for-the-soul-of-the-human-internet

Wasn't vice supposed to die :marseybeheading: or something? Well thankfully they haven't because this article is such a great treat :marseyvore2:

How the situation is resolved will determine the direction of one of the last good social media sites and will impact how people interact with it. A complex argument over the specifics of API pricing is, actually, a battle for the soul of the human internet, and an important labor dispute that will partially determine whether people or corporations control the internet.

:rofl: :!rofl:

CEO Steve Huffman is playing a dangerous game which threatens to break huge portions of the site, as well as the apps that millions of people use to access it (nontrivially, Reddit is also imperiling its status as a destination for porn).

not the fricking pr0n how will I coom now :marseytrumpitsover:

β€œThis one feels decisively larger, better coordinated, and more impactful,” than past protests, said Stevie Chancellor, a former Reddit moderator and current assistant professor in Computer Science & Engineering at the University of Minnesota who studies Reddit and social media moderation, in an interview with Motherboard.

>studies reddit

:marseylaughpoundfist:

for all of its flaws, is a very good website, one of the last major websites whose day-to-day activities are largely governed by its users rather than being controlled exclusively by an engagement algorithm, top-down moderation rules, and megalomaniacal billionaires.

being jannied by agp deadbeats is so much better :marseyagreesuperspeed: dummy

... blah blah blah words words words :marseypop2: ...

Even if many moderators like what they do and enjoy some of the power that comes with moderating and guiding a community, they bring unmistakeable monetary value to Reddit the corporation. Li was the lead author of a paper published last year that found Reddit moderators work at least a collective 466 hours per day, which would cost Reddit a minimum of $3.4 million a year at a wage of $20/hour.

and yet THEY DO IT FOR FREE

:#marseyxd:

β€œWe traditionally think of all this volunteer work as a labor of love. But at the same time, this is really valuable labor for companies, and the moderators go through so much stress and pressure, and trauma to do this work.”

pat yourselves on the back for traumatizing jannies :meow: :wh!ip: :marseycarpjannie:

So, there is a version of this story where, in a quest for profitability, Reddit essentially exerts dictatorial power, ignores its moderators, makes it more difficult to view porn on its site, screws over blind people, and centralizes power and attention around its official app at the expense of the much better apps many people use to access the site.

:#chadsnoo:

never has spaz sounded so cool :daydream:

anyway

I recommend at least skimming the article as it's unintentionally hilarious but um I hope you liked the quotes I picked out :marseyshy4:

r/technology thread (funny)

top comment, +389

A 17 year old Reddit mod wrote this

:marseyagreesuperspeed:

and all the other comments are basically the same :meow:

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Li was the lead author of a paper published last year that found Reddit moderators work at least a collective 466 hours per day

What does this mean? The millions of subs on Reddit only take 466 daily hours to moderate combined???


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It says "at least". The actual number is closer to 293k daily hours

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In the ballpark really

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It's just a lower bound the estimation for the upper bound is in the billions

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Lil bit of rounding

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at 16 hours a day queen bardfinn:marseybardfinn3: is doing 3% of all moderation on reddit:marseykneel:

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Does that include time for makeup, and writing preachy longposts?

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No

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rdrama is currently running at 282.407 Β΅Bardyhertz with 4702 total mentions since 2022-09-24

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Yes. Despite all the recent lambasting of AI for potentially taking jobs, AutoModerator has existed for years

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For example, replying to moderator mail and deliberation, two types of moderation work reported in prior work (Dosono and Semaan, 2019; Gilbert, 2020) do not appear in mod logs. As a result, our estimate of moderation duration is designed to be a lower bound estimate.

They only looked at mod logs. They also only looked at a subset of subs & mods and estimated it over all of reddit (though their numbers for that seem to be fine at the 1st glance). They also obviously removed bot actions.

But yes, it does mean exactly that. "This weighting process yielded a mean value of 80 seconds per day. This weighted mean corresponds to a sum of 359 to 611 hours by the whole population at the 95% confidence interval".

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deliberation

jfl


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most of the millions of subs get 1-3 posts a day there so not super surprising. Guessing about 100 subs make up 450 hrs of the """""labor""""" and the other million-100 subs take up 16hrs. I follow a small sub (maybe 20 posts a day with ~3 actual 'posts' and 17 posts that are people asking simple questions that get 2 comments) and its even in the top 1% of subreddits.

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Also apparently the cost for actually hiring on enough jannies to do it not for free would be a drop in the bucket for a company the size of reddit.

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Explains /r/antiwork tbh

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