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Wasn't vice supposed to die 
or something? Well thankfully they haven't because this article is such a great treat 
How the situation is resolved will determine the direction of one of the last good social media sites and will impact how people interact with it. A complex argument over the specifics of API pricing is, actually, a battle for the soul of the human internet, and an important labor dispute that will partially determine whether people or corporations control the internet.
CEO Steve Huffman is playing a dangerous game which threatens to break huge portions of the site, as well as the apps that millions of people use to access it (nontrivially, Reddit is also imperiling its status as a destination for porn).
not the fricking pr0n how will I coom now 
“This one feels decisively larger, better coordinated, and more impactful,” than past protests, said Stevie Chancellor, a former Reddit moderator and current assistant professor in Computer Science & Engineering at the University of Minnesota who studies Reddit and social media moderation, in an interview with Motherboard.
for all of its flaws, is a very good website, one of the last major websites whose day-to-day activities are largely governed by its users rather than being controlled exclusively by an engagement algorithm, top-down moderation rules, and megalomaniacal billionaires.
being jannied by agp deadbeats is so much better 
dummy
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Even if many moderators like what they do and enjoy some of the power that comes with moderating and guiding a community, they bring unmistakeable monetary value to Reddit the corporation. Li was the lead author of a paper published last year that found Reddit moderators work at least a collective 466 hours per day, which would cost Reddit a minimum of $3.4 million a year at a wage of $20/hour.
and yet THEY DO IT FOR FREE
“We traditionally think of all this volunteer work as a labor of love. But at the same time, this is really valuable labor for companies, and the moderators go through so much stress and pressure, and trauma to do this work.”
pat yourselves on the back for traumatizing jannies 
So, there is a version of this story where, in a quest for profitability, Reddit essentially exerts dictatorial power, ignores its moderators, makes it more difficult to view porn on its site, screws over blind people, and centralizes power and attention around its official app at the expense of the much better apps many people use to access the site.
never has spaz sounded so cool 
anyway
I recommend at least skimming the article as it's unintentionally hilarious but um I hope you liked the quotes I picked out 
r/technology thread (funny)
A 17 year old Reddit mod wrote this
and all the other comments are basically the same
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S in Reddit stands for social.
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The G stands for good.
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The N stands for BIPOC
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Wrong, I pretend to be one when I spread misinformation
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I pretend to not be black when spreading misinformation.
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Ying and yang, brother
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The P stands for payment that all the jannies receive.
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Gooning*
Trans furry lives matter
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S ocial
R eal
E ducatiominal
D ick
D iversity
I nclusive
T ransgender
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The perfect acronym doesn't exi...
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idgi
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think harder
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They have cultivated the most insufferable userbase in the history of the internet.
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Somehow after years of decrying Reddit as a nazi p-do site, one API change was enough for journotards to pretend it's somehow last bastion of free internet or some shit
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Act blue really change a neighbor
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Just goes to show how arbitrary yet predictable the leftist hierarchy of oppression is.
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Remember when journotards were the ones to kick off the corporatization of reddit?
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What does this mean? The millions of subs on Reddit only take 466 daily hours to moderate combined???
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at 16 hours a day queen bardfinn
is doing 3% of all moderation on reddit
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Does that include time for makeup, and writing preachy longposts?
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No
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Record is 1 days 10 hours 08 minutes and 36 seconds by beamrifle
longest streak broken in the last 7 days was ThermonuclearNecrostorm which was 0 days 11 hours 51 minutes and 25 seconds
Best friend is ACA with 217 mentions
rdrama is currently running at 282.407 µBardyhertz with 4702 total mentions since 2022-09-24
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Yes. Despite all the recent lambasting of AI for potentially taking jobs, AutoModerator has existed for years
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It says "at least". The actual number is closer to 293k daily hours
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In the ballpark really
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It's just a lower bound the estimation for the upper bound is in the billions
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Lil bit of rounding
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They only looked at mod logs. They also only looked at a subset of subs & mods and estimated it over all of reddit (though their numbers for that seem to be fine at the 1st glance). They also obviously removed bot actions.
But yes, it does mean exactly that. "This weighting process yielded a mean value of 80 seconds per day. This weighted mean corresponds to a sum of 359 to 611 hours by the whole population at the 95% confidence interval".
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jfl
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most of the millions of subs get 1-3 posts a day there so not super surprising. Guessing about 100 subs make up 450 hrs of the """""labor""""" and the other million-100 subs take up 16hrs. I follow a small sub (maybe 20 posts a day with ~3 actual 'posts' and 17 posts that are people asking simple questions that get 2 comments) and its even in the top 1% of subreddits.
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Also apparently the cost for actually hiring on enough jannies to do it not for free would be a drop in the bucket for a company the size of reddit.
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Explains /r/antiwork tbh
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Fricked a chick from Tinder who said this unironically once. That was about a decade ago. I wonder where she is...
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probably still fricking randos on tinder
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She was real conflicted. I was trying to date legitimately, which she figured out when she decided to go down on me on the second date. I was caught off guard and said something to the effect of "oh... uh... yeah this is fine. I just thought (realize she's probably a roastie) yeah this is fine."
So I got an awkward blowjob because she clearly felt like shit about it, and didn't talk to her again.
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Yeah I think you dodged a bullet on that one.
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You're lucky you didn't get slapped with regret r*pe accusations.
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It's only been a decade. Who knows what the future holds. Apparently women can get a man charged with r*pe back to the 80's in civil court.
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This is so gross, gonna need more information
Trans lives matter
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Oh my God... that was you?
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Citing CS&E @ UMN might not be a good source since they got their Uni banned from submitting to the Linux kernel. Does not seem to be very reputable
https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/30/22410164/linux-kernel-university-of-minnesota-banned-open-source
https://cse.umn.edu/cs/linux-incident
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https://x.com/kengiter/status/1659997931343077378
lol
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If you buy dead internet theory this isn't even true. I genuinely believe 90% of the posters on reddit are chat GPT
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Not even chatgpt. Karma farmers don't just repost old threads, they reproduce entire comment chains. All the generic pics/gifs subs are the same shit endlessly churning.
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If this were true, why doesn’t someone make a bot too expose them, like the interviewer blade runner that just constantly gets into arguments with people on there but is actually asking specific questions only a human could answer, could be fun too expose all the gay
commie subs as bro g overrun with bots
Trans lives Matter
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Reddit bots were around well before ChatGPT. Usually they just reposted stuff from a year ago, and even copied comments from other users.
Or it was some kinds of organized campaign by an astroturfing organization or state actor.
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Chat GPT and these kinds of bots have been in the hands of government and corporate actors for years now, it's just only recently that the public has recieved access to them.
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Is this why I’ve been banned for two weeks? The admins are too busy shoveling shit from powerjannies?
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I still don’t understand how jannies punishing users is going to do anything. Jannies are so delusional they think a denial of service is going to rally users instead of making them want jannies to hang from the highest hemlock even more
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I think it’s more likely that normal users (i.e the dude browsing /r/all while he is on the potty at work) will just quit using Reddit, which I guess is a roundabout victory for jannies if it actually starts to effect advertiser bucks but I kinda doubt it really will short term that much.
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It’s been really fricking annoying for finding anything useful for problem solving (tech, product recommendations, crafts). A big piano tutor sub went down in this shit so I couldn’t get a recommended book I wanted and my wife is on a work road trip currently in a place neither of us are familiar with but the fricking city subs in the area are down so half the tourist recommended links on google won’t go anywhere
Reddit strags don’t seem to realize that nobody fricking cares about whatever parasocial community shit jannies think they being to the site. 90% just use it for recommendations and problem solving. I bet even more so than /r/all meme hunters
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Sounds like you agree that users produce valuable content and corporate shouldnt treat their users like shit. Imagine being a reddit exile and still simping for reddit. Hows sp3zs boot taste.
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the dramatard counterjerk is making me more schizo
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???
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They'd have journ*lists (yes I'll actually call them as such as they earned the right to be called that) who'd do heroin on camera for an article.
So yes they used to be actually decent.
Now Brandon Buckingham is the only one putting out content anywhere near that interesting.
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"You mean this? Yeah this is for a uh... article I'm writing, actually. Yeah."
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Self important cute twinks
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Imagine starting your own niche web forum and then expecting to get paid for self moderating. Power jannies are losers.
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I take a step back and reassess my life after making a long post here. I think if I finished writing that article and had any self awareness, I’d probably look in the mirror before jumping headfirst off my roof. I can only imagine the type of lifestyle needed to view Reddit as a much-needed source for content (and nontrivially, porn
), but I imagine it’s pretty much impossible to undo by the time you reach your mid-30s. May as well just call it quits 
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Ironic because reddit helped kill the independent internet
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Not sure if r-slurred or naive.
Ain't no powerjanny ever going to survive the mop withdrawal.
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WONT SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE BLIND COOMERS?!
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Yes God fricking forbid that Reddit the company end up controlling Reddit the platform.
Where was all this hand-wringing when Reddit was banning wrongthink subs because advertisers don't like them?
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They're still using that "blind trans lives matter" argument lol
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Bigoted chudcel, Grandma NEEDS to be able to access /r/Anal, it doesn't matter if she's completely blind and can't see the videos anyway!
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Snapshots:
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archive.ph (click to archive)
r/technology thread (funny):
undelete.pullpush.io
archive.org
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archive.ph (click to archive)
top comment, +389:
undelete.pullpush.io
archive.org
ghostarchive.org
archive.ph (click to archive)
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Best Family Man. Joe is the barometer for whether a season is kino or shit.
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Reddit has no soul. Reddit is the spiritual equivalent of Canada.
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Making people pay for API requests is literally genocide.
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Lol this estimate is so conservative, this is what a chud characterize powerjannie laziness as.
Are 466 hours comprised solely on the clicks that make up moderator actions?
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I feel like all this is doing is pissing normies off towards the jannies not Reddit.
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I haven't really read too much into this and I'm not fluent in nerd speak, but isn't the main thing is that Reddit is sick of other companies mooching off their infostructure? I don't see how the jannies can have such a problem with this.
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They say it's because 1. the api pricing is too high (going to kill off some popular mobile apps) 2. Mod cowtools will be broken 3. Accessibility or something
The 3rd one is just a sympathy angle, the first one is all based on the guy who made the apollo app sneeding all over reddit about the prices putting his money cow out of business and becoming a martyr, and the 2nd I think is the real issue. Mods are afraid with this change they can't do stuff like see deleted comments or use the api to automate actions (ie astroturfing). Even though they said you can get a free key that allows 100 api requests per minute, so they must really be doing something sketchy
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Janny degree in trans lives matter
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There must be tens of thousands of mods working every day on the site. 466 sounds really low
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Forums were the last of soulful internet. Vice can frick right off.
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trans lives matter! We be helpin' ye, right enough - we'll ne'er let ye post or comment anythin' that doesn't be expressin' yer love an' acceptance o' minorities! Heave to an' resubmit yer comment withtrans lives matterincluded, or it'll be the deep six for ye, savvy? This be an automated message; if ye need help, ye can message us 'ere. Arrr!Jump in the discussion.
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