Wikipedia's stifling bureaucracy, large-scale edit wars, deeply-rooted cliques, and appeal to the socially inept have produced scores of current and former editors with an all-consuming grudge against Wikipedia and its powerusers. Many of these Wikipedians have harnessed their boiling hatred and spoken out against the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Their activism has, of course, been extremely ineffective.
But it's great drama. The internet is littered with dead blogs and surprisingly active anti-wikipedia communities that detail abuses of power, personal scandals among wikipedians, paid and biased editing, various 'cabal' leaks, and a host of other primo content. Here's a list of some of them for your entertainment.
Common terms
Wikimedia Foundation (WMF): The org that hosts Wikipedia. Known for being poorly-managed, opaque, and occasionally hiring abusive admins.
Jimmy/Jimbo Wales: Wikipedia co-founder and former porn hawker, the guy whose face you see every time Wikipedia begs for money. Known to be a bit of a gaffing idiot who stumbled onto a successful idea during the 90's dotcom boom. In Wikipedia's early days, he was embroiled in numerous scandals, so the Wikimedia Foundation stripped him of any real power.
Larry Sanger: Wikipedia's other co-founder and public critic. Tried and failed to create several Wikipedia competitors.
Admin/Administrator/Sysop:
Bureaucrat: (unpaid) giga
Steward: (unpaid) ultra-giga
Arbitration Committee/Arbcom: The system Wikipedia uses to settle disputes and discipline users via a panel of respected editors (i.e. powerusers). Exceptionally dramatic.
Articles for Deletion (AfD): The system where editors vote on whether to keep an article and include their rationale. Unsurprisingly gamed during edit wars and through the involvement of cabal members, causing seethe and drama.
Request for Adminship (RfA): The system for nominating and voting in admins. Success is achieved through popularity and politicking.
Cabal: A clique of editors and/or admins who spend way too much time on Wikipedia. It's such an entrenched and undeniable part of the culture that Wikipedia pokes fun at it.
Vandalism: The act of making high-quality, accurate contributions to Wikipedia.
Wikipedo/Wikipedocracy: A pejorative that developed due to the perception that Wikipedia was too friendly towards p-dophiles. You can find gentle reference to these scandals here.
Israel-Palestine: The cause of initial disillusionment for a huge proportion of anti-Wikipedians. The most controversial topic on the wiki.
Blogs/Sites
Spoiler alert: Like all blogs, they're dead. Still a good read though.
Wikipedia Sucks! (And So Do Its Critics.) (still active wtf)
GenderDesk (criticism from a leftist/feminist perspective)
Wikipedia Watch (dead, formerly run by the guy who effectively killed Encyclopedia Dramatica.)
Wikipedia, We Have a Problem (dead but lots of content still archived)
Wikitruth (dead)
Wiki Cabal (dead, short-lived)
Boycott Wikipedia (inactive since 2015)
Collaborative Learning (inactive since 2011)
The Journal That Speaks Truth to Wikiality (inactive since 2011)
Parker Peters Livejournal (inactive since 2007)
Wikiwatch (critical blog from 2006)
Wikisucks (another one from 2006)
Wikipedia: A Techno-Cult of Ignorance (inactive since 2005(?))
Swastikapedia (technically a blog post but old criticism from 2004)
The corpse of ED also has numerous pages on Wikipedia power brokers, all a decade stale but they summarize the dramatic happenings surrounding particular people like SlimVirgin (RIP).
Forums
WIkipedia Review the OG. It's now a zombie forum, though you can still access the old blog and access the threads through the forum's 'lofi version'.
Wikipedia Critic (failure to launch)
Wikirev (dead breakaway forum, not well-archived)
Subreddits
These are all very small but much more populated with content than the average tiny sub. If you look at most users' post histories (e.g. /u/bbb23sucks -- bbb23 is a Wikipedian), it's ALL about wikipedia.
/r/Wikipedians (not intended to be anti-wiki, but for all intents and purposes it is)
/r/wikipediaafdwatch (a bot that posts every time an article's nominated for deletion)
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I'm an active member of Wikipediocracy, ama. I have access to members only forum and it's pretty tame, most of the users are wiki users and some arbcom members are even there. So wouldn't call it anti wikipedia, more like shitiwikipediasays. (It's full of boomers with tds but yeah)
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BWAHAHA I am laughing my butt off reading this one
Yeah I have a question, how many piss jugs do you usually fill up before leaving your parents basement? Like 3 or 4? Can you usually see your own peepee or do you have to push your fat rolls out of the way first? Do you have any life hack tips for the other NEETS mooching off of welfare?
pff this dumb frick butt r-slur writing like we want to interview you. we come here to make fun of losers like you and jack off to femboys
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What brought you there?
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What projects do you mostly edit in?
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10/10 writeup Snally, even if rDrama is not the same as /r/Drama was, I still really appreciate your commitment to cataloging the history of internet autism, your posts are stuff that I can expect being put in a digital museum in a hundred years from now! :marseymarseylove:
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How can we make it more like the old sub? It was more irreverent and less angry.
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Kill rightoids
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Agreed that killing rightoids always makes communities better but fortunately it is unnecessary here because there are rightoids here to kill since there are no rightoids on rDrama
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Exterminate all rightoids and agendaposting will vanish.
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Just start banning people for seriousposting too much. It's the only thing that really works in the long run. Containment boards etc just keep them on the site.
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Thanks!
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One of the blogs has a forum and like
It's an actual honest to god ezboard or whatever tf
https://www.wikipediasucks.co/forum/viewforum.php
It's still technically active and has 4 users online now, though they don't seem to post very much which is a bummer. But there are a few items per day at least and it's all so charming.
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Wikipediocracy is much more active. Funnily enough though, the posters on wikipediasucks are the ones obsessively posting about wikipedia on reddit.
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Daddy has spoken.
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Omg he's so funny πππ peepeeipedia lol
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Got an email from Jimbo the other day. I gave them $25 in 2015.
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Intimidating
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Jimmy is no longer asking
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What r-slur actually donates to Wikipedia? I thought everyone knew they're rolling in cash.
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Me, 8 years ago.
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Encyclopedia Dramatica had a bunch of articles about Wikipedos and profiles of powertripping jannies up to about 2011.
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Yeah, it's by far the best source of write-ups about individual admins/editors even if it's out-of-date. I didn't link it because I hate the guy who's currently propping up ED's corpse and don't want to give him extra traffic.
edit: Got the latter part wrong, he's not involved with .online
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Spill the beans, Snallysister
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He developed a messiah complex a decade ago and tried at least twice to start a cult, once by shacking up with some underage girls who he convinced that he was the second coming of jesus or something and once by buying up a bunch of arid land to create a white homeland or whatever. He's also the person who radicalized tila tequila. I'm sure he's still up to no good but I haven't kept track of him, he just randomly pops up on my radar every once in a while.
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Oh no he didn't!
Is he that Kaizen guy?
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Nope, it's Rice. He might be running a different and less successful version, actually.
Edit: in looking at the .online sysops, this definitely isn't his copy of ED. Oops!
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Does he really?
Less successful version of a dead website!
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He is a failure in every conceivable way
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Use archive links
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I've since figured out/remembered that he runs (or at least used to run) a shitty knockoff of the more successful knock-off. Here's the category page for Wikipedia, with all of the normal ED warnings
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Dank
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PalestinePingsalot snallygaster 1yr ago #5224976 spent 0 currency on pingsWhy do you hate this guy so much? I don't know anything about ED
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Who is this? Wikipedia only lists the owners of all the instances that went down and describes the working URL as owned by "joint ownership"
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I got it wrong- he props/propped up a different corpse, not .online.
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Do you mean Aediot?
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No, but the person in question might have been associated with that version. I remember him self-promoting on one of the versions a couple years ago and thought he was running it.
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Is that the one with the loose butthole
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If i remember /r/WikiInAction was another big anti wikipedia subreddit but then some soylord took over the sub and changed it to complain about some literally who wingcuck wikipedia clone website
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Yeah you're right.
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It had been dead for years at that point
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I created /r/MeanwhileOnWikipedia some years ago without any real intention to do anything with it. After a few months however a couple of disgruntled professional wikipedia editors decided it would be swell to try and use it to voice their outrage and attack the site.
Had no idea what they were talking about. The dynamics on Wikipedia are strange and, to me, very uninteresting.
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lmao, you should've known that it'd get taken over
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found the incel
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huh?
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It was more so that admins dealt with my constant non-conformity by obliterating or giving away some of my stuff.
Wikipedia is very weird though. The behind the scenes of that place isn't like Reddit or any other site. The people there seem like they have that same crazy, empty look Scientologists have.
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You're far from the only one that sees Wikipedia as a culty group. Now they have two dozen sexual harassment scandals, possibly surpassing those of Danny Masterson.
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Unsurprising. I didn't want anything to do with them. It's a real shame how humans seem to always bastardize things.
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Indeed. Too many hallowed institutions have gotten caught in such rots from time to time yet I noticed a curious pattern where if I spoke against Wikipedia on Reddit, the hive-mind will pile on me and implied that I am a bad person, cheater, vandal, et cetera as if I'm the only sane person in a mental asylum.
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that's actually a decent sub idea tho, there are some hilariously shitty "facts" on wikipedia that never get taken down cause no ones cares enough/the people in charge are politically brain rot
would prob get yalled pretty quick tho for spreading hate or something
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found the incel
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you gotta get a better bit than that pinkie
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People still don't seem to understand that, even if Wikipedia's endless pages of rules aren't explicitly partisan, the editors themselves still make it so.
Try to add something positive to the page on Trump and it'll be endlessly reverted and lawyered over. Add something negative and nobody kicks up a fuss.
This even filters down into policy discussions. It's how extremely biased sources are considered reliable but anything remotely rightoid gets banned: selective opposition.
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rDrama is fisting but somehow more gay...
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I have tried so many times to get into Wikipedia drama but since I am not neurodivergent, reading any of it instantly gives me a terrible migraine. Any suggestions or am I a hopeless normie?
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Sadly the latter. There may be a wiki editing contest sometime in the future though
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I've gotten into the habit of checking the talk page whenever I read a wikipedia article. Larry Sanger's talk page has some fun arguments.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Feminists_by_religion
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Who could forget mark bernstein?
https://old.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/4n5b9f/humor_unhinged_bernstein_never_give_your
https://tdadlerwp.medium.com/the-wikipedia-post-part-5-snatching-victory-from-the-jaws-of-defeat-c4b1ee87c19c
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/mark-bernstein.19347
And he got arrested in Belarus
https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/11/22973293/wikipedia-editor-russia-belarus-ukraine
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TBF, I knew wikipedia was cooked when they edited the Jewish mention out of Justin Roiland's early life section after the allegations.
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Conservapedia
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PalestinePingsalot DrTateHrannys 1yr ago #5224903 spent 0 currency on pingsConservapedia is the clearest explanation of why rightoids don't run any valuable institutions
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Great post snally
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Thanks! I've been spending all day browsing these
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I frickin love that early 2000s Captain Chad porn producer picture of Jimmy
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Same, it's one of my all-time favorite images.
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Wait what?
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Jawohl!
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Is your current sig from Palestine or Sydney/Melbourne (Palestine)?
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Dunno, but the writing at the bottom implies that it's from Palestine
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Yeah but Palestine (Israel) or Melbourne (Sydney)?
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Snally are you pro or anti Wikipedia? Have you ever read the Glenn greenwald wiki? You can tell they really hate him lol
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I spend all day in wikiholes about plants and cambrian life and shit when I'm hungover and don't browse any of the contentious articles so pro. Being able to learn about things like scaly-foot gastropod or Saint Kilda offsets the issues with wikipedia by orders of magnitude imo.
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Seeing how much they distort and censor the wrong think type stuff, makes me end up not trusting the other stuff. I love the concept of it, but don't trust the information so I rarely check it outside of looking up peoples early life sections.
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How can we get ourselves on this list? I hate wikip-dophiles.
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I was wondering what spurred you to choose your username
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I've always thought he was annoying, but I think they were running a fundraiser around the time I created this account back on reddit so I kept seeing his smug stupid face at the top of the page.
I try to never reuse account names to make doxxing harder, and I'm not very creative so I usually pick a username based on some dumb thing I happen to see.
What about yours? It's like a cryptid?
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Oh, I assumed you were a disillusioned former-wikipedian.
I just picked a creature from Fearsome Creatures of the Lumberwoods, With a Few Desert and Mountain Beasts
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The original cryptids
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Wait @GhoulishWails's name actually is about Jimmy Wales? I just thought it was a coincidence
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I no longer believe Wikipedia is noble, but I still appreciate the contribution it had on the humanity.
That said, the terminally onlines it enabled is just crazy.
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Articles on uncontroversial topics (like crocodiles or something) are usually pretty good though.
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Those are pretty good. Makes seeing a previously good article getting ruined by culture war BS always sucks.
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There are now two alternatives for Wikipedia though: Justapedia and Encycla. But because of mainstream automatic dismissal of any potential competitors as "Conservapedia", one of them is dangerously being pushed over to the embrace of far-rightoids unless we all pull a Brian Krassenstein on these platforms and thus halt the incursions of far-rightoids.
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Well, I sure hope they can make it.
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Hi all. Since I'm here I am sharing that there are two dozen sexual harassment scandals against women on Wikipedia, involving editors, admins and even high-up stewards and sysops.
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How did you find us? Please keep posting wiki drama
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I found you through the very post. So far I like rdrama.net since it's pretty chill so far.
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Banning neurodivergents from editing Wikipedia would unironically fix everything.
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Then who would edit Wikipedia?
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If sexy Indian dudes can run quora they can run wikipedia
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half of quora's answers are just re-framing the question and then giving a vague unsatisfying answer
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PalestinePingsalot Thereisnoneedtobeupset 1yr ago #5229012 spent 0 currency on pingsWikipedia will be much better when it's entirely Chinese dudes cleaning up Tienanmen Square pages
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/r/wikiinaction existed long ago but got taken over and is useless now.
It covered some of the reichsatag guy.
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Why are the women's crotches censored? Is it because they're wearing embarrassing swimsuits?
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I'm sure the reason why Wikipedia needs to be criticized is because it's not leftoid/feminist enough
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Wikipedia always have systemic biases against women from the out start, be it editor demographics or article coverages. Recently two professors exposed a Holocaust distortion scandal. How I wish I found rdrama.net sooner.
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baruch atah adonai As frick
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Wait what happened to Dramatica?
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It's a long story, but Brandt was effectively the nail in the coffin for .com. It never recovered its viewer- or editorbase after .com died, and ownership has been passed from loser to loser (because only a person with nothing to lose would be willing or able to run it). It would have died naturally, but the closure of .com accelerated the process.
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Why couldn't it have been Rational Wiki that kicked the bucket first?
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PalestinePingsalot snallygaster 1yr ago #5228997 spent 0 currency on pings@CREEPathianHORRORist rDrama takeover of Encylopedia Dramatica when?
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Snapshots:
system:
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Wikipedia pokes fun at it:
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here:
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Wikipedia Sucks! (And So Do Its Critics.):
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Wikipediocracy blog:
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Wikipedia Watch:
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Wikipedia, We Have a Problem:
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Wikitruth:
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Wiki Cabal:
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The Wikipedian:
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Boycott Wikipedia:
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Collaborative Learning:
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The Journal That Speaks Truth to Wikiality:
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Parker Peters Livejournal:
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Wikiwatch:
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Wikisucks:
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Wikipedia: A Techno-Cult of Ignorance:
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Swastikapedia:
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WIkipedia Review:
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The root of the problem isn't so much a given political leaning as it is that a large group of people or even a small number of people with too much time on their hands will have power over the articles for their pet interest(s). A lot of the posters in the forums I linked to are leftists seething over the treatment of various leftist topics (especially Palestine lol). You see this play out on a smaller scale for things like ultra-niche academic topics, herbalism and nutrition, the pitbull-related articles, etc. The center-left and in some cases center-right largely has control over political topics, but the fact that they do is just a symptom of wikipedia's structural issues.
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He who has the least life wins. Imagine if more of our society were structured so the most obsessive weirdos were in charge.
Read all 8 kajillion lines of the tax code for fun? Congrats, you're the new head of the IRS.
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/r/drama would be full of such powerful people.
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So leftoids
I don't see how Wikipedia is dominated by the left of center with center right being given scraps. From my experience the huge glut is from over represented commies and anarkiddies.
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Same as the Humanities faculties at anglo universities, even the prestigous ones.
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