The Maya Train is just what you would expect from Mexico's president: a massive building project that's been railroaded through any questions of feasibility or environmental impact by being declared a matter of "national security". Costs balloon, service sucks, and customers never show up.
The idea was to build a 1500km rail network around the Yucatan peninsula to serve tourists. It would connect coastal resorts like Cancun to inland Mayan archaeological sites like Chichen Itza. Locals might even benefit if they're lucky At $8 billion, why not?
Planning
The disaster began long before the first rail was laid. Mexican President resident Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO) loves big infrastructure products that get lots of media attention and give him a chance to take personal credit, much like Turkey's President Erdogan. His signature campaign promise was to scrap the half completed new airport for Mexico City and build on another site. The Maya Train was to be an even grander project and work had to be done fast to complete it during AMLO's 2018-2024 term.
The genius who thinks the cartels aren't a problem because Mexicans don't use cocaine.
Ordinarily it would take years of careful research and planning just to decide on the route, but much of the Maya Train was to use existing rail lines. More importantly, nobody gave a shit about the environmental and safety reviews that would be done in other countries. AMLO just declared his tourist train a "national security" project so it doesn't have to follow any rules. The Yucatan is geologically complex with cenotes, flooded limestone caves, underlying much of the route. Hopefully they won't collapse or be polluted. Habitat for rare wildlife like jaguars will be destroyed and divided. Remember how the train is going to archaeological sites? Let's just hope it doesn't obliterate too many undiscovered ruins along the way.
In a normal project, these concerns would never have even come up. First it would need to be demonstrated that the railroad could actually make money. But the Maya Train wasn't a business venture, it was simply a means of aggrandizement for AMLO and an opportunity for his cronies to cash in. There was a vague concept that tourists would take it from coastal resorts to inland destinations instead of using existing bus lines, but how many?
At least the stewardesses wear miniskirts.
There were also vague ideas about the Maya Train serving local passengers and freight, but these were at odds with the primary goal of serving tourists. Ordinary people don't want to take a detour to the outskirts of the cities where the airports, hotels, and Maya Train stations are. They can't afford it anyway, so they are sold tickets for a fraction of the price of the tourists'. The amount of freight moving around the Yucatan that is easy to ship by rail (coal, ore, grain) is unlikely to be worth setting up trains for and slow freight trains would have to work around the schedule of fast passenger trains.
Execution
Construction began in 2020 with , the first stretch built by Mota-Engil, a Portugese company that has done similar work in honest and transparent parts of the world like Angola. Costs quickly ballooned from $7.5 billion to $30 billion. Proceeding at breakneck speed the first part of the line became partially operational in December 2023. At least enough for AMLO to take a triumphant photo op.
It looks about as high tech as a 30 year old commuter train.
It's virtually worthless for other purposes as there aren't train stations to stop at yet, vital infrastructure isn't finished, the train makes 55mph on average, departures are delayed for hours, and even the plumbing onboard the train is breaking down. Within a few weeks it was temporarily shut down, and just a few days ago tourists were butthurt at missing their trains and being stuck.
Normally you might expect customers and the government to be outraged at whatever company is operating the rail line. But the Maya Train isn't operated by a company. It's operated by Mexico's notoriously corrupt and inefficient army. Why are they involved in the tourism industry? That's just how AMLO rolls. Like many left-wing populists in Latin America he loves giving control over random parts of the economy and administration of the country to the military for no good reason.
Train to nowhere. Imagine how boring the scenery is.
AMLO's term is running out. Will Mexicans make a choice any less stupid in the next election? Probably not, if they're like everyone else on Earth these days.
If you want to see how empty it is, someone did go down and manage to catch a ride:
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Where does this even run, I went to cancun and chichen itza in december and dont recall a train?
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Oh yeah, I forgot to include a map.
Cancun-Campeche is the part that's semi-operational now and Cancun-Tulum should be soon.
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there are maybe 5 million people total in yucatan. cities like merida aren't that bad, but the villages are super duper poor. its too bad this isn't to do economic integration. yucatan is not that great for tourish.
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The Yucatan is where I think of if I was thinking about getting eaten by jaguars.
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I liked Tulum!
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Yucatecos have a silly accent
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i'll give you my yucateco
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Do the red circles represent train stations that have yet to be built?
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Estación
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I dunno. Somewhere it said that there's 12 unfinished stations between Cancun and Campeche, so I guess it's even more than the red circles.
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Still a better than HS2
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If only Sunak had declared HS2 a national security project and just smashed through all the protected bat sanctuaries and old peoples homes - but I repeat myself
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It would unironically been a smashing success and praised for generations.
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Ayyy bussy AMLO.
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!anticommunists
Here's a ping for your effort post
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I have this insane urge to pust this to stupidpol
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Is Mexico's guy legitimately communist?
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There's communists across most of Central and South America. Russia really pushed their ideology there in an attempt to gain a foothold near America.
I mean communism just appeared and the bad CIA tried to stop it for no reason.
But Mexican politics are schizo and it looks like he is socially conservative and fiscally left.
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Reddit leftists get extremely agressive when you remind them that the Nazis were to the left of the Western allies on economic matters.
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MORENA is not socially conservative lmao, maybe AMLO personally is but his party younger members are uber woke. AMLO is not really a commie, just an r-slur populoid with left wing sympathies as nostalgia for old statist policies from 1970s Mexico.
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I don't know much about Mexican politics, i was reading summaries of all of the political organizations he has belonged to and the overall theme seemed fairly socially conservative.
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Mexican politics are weird to put in context. AMLO used to be part of the PRI back when the party murdered people for having commie sympathies, the old PRI however was super statist/dirigiste. In general terms Mexicans were always socially conservatives while fond of government gibs, but in urban centres like Mexico City the MORENA apparatus is composed by people who are very socially liberal, similar to urbanties in the US. Claudia Scheinbaum who's MORENA presidential candidate and very likely Mexico's next president is one of those, a self declared feminist, very pro LGBT rights.
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she'll use tax payers money for s*x changes, but won't go after the narcos who extort poor farmers.
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I assume she is toigh on crime and will defeat the cartels too right?
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No, lmao. She and AMLO are the opposite of “though on crime” with their meme “hugs not bullets” slogan and restorative justice bullcrap.
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So they have cartel backing in other words
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He's a commie.
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R-slur Version Francisco Madero
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It's not schizo, it's just leftism mixed with Catholicism (think jesuits).
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Which is schizo. Communist ideologies are firmly anti tradition and anti religion as a feature.
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Jesuits predate communism by like 300 years and were super active in Latin America during the colonial era. Amlo isn't a communist that neighbor ain't reading das kapital
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Ok?
I know. That's why he's skizo where he's combining ideas stolen from communism with religion.
Leftism is firmly anti religion and traditional culture.
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Jesus preached total subserviance to th state dumbass
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1/30 made me respond.
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liberation theology is schizo, as a matter of fact economic leftism is by-itself schizophrenic
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I was going to reply with a comment about how in reality the Soviet's had very little to do with starting the populist left wing movements in Latin America from 1940-80 but then I read your name and realized you'd be too r-slurred to read it
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Oh yeah I'm sure. I bet there are tons of leftist sources claiming all the Comunist uprisings were organic. How convenient.
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Yes, it turns out populist revolutions do actually tend to occur against colonial overlords without much help from outside
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Oh those kgb agents were just chilling down there? Even if it were organic communist ideals were being pushed on the world stage by the soviet union as a means of control and they provided material support.
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dont want to waste my time arguing so I will settle for asking you politely to keep yourself safe
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You're a communist, you're literally a joke of a human being.
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You're gonna have to be more specific about what colonies you're talking about. Aruba?
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I think mexicans were some kind of gormless vaguely left ideology. They had that revolution for land redistribution in the 1910s but then in the 1930s those same peasants revolted against the government for trying to eradicate catholicism. Then they gave asylum to Trotsky who was not exactly friendly with the Soviet establishment. Then Stalin sent an assassin who killed him with an ice pick.
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No, he's just a boomer who misses the statist economic policies of the 1970s PRI (state owned railroads, now nationalized lithium, etc.). In the 1980s the PRI adopted a more market oriented approach, so his party MORENA is an attempt to recreate the old PRI while getting the votes of people who hated PRI.
When it comes to foreign policy AMLO does harbor sympathies for LATAM leftoids, which is ironic considering 1970s PRI (he was a party member back then) used to shoot protestors and kill left wing students back in the day lmao.
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No, there are no real communists
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Lol a $30 billion dollar glorified airport train that only runs twice a day?
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The stupid fricking train doesnt even connect directly to the airport, so you'll have to take a shuttle, and it doesnt go anywhere near the proper downtown areas, so you'll have to get a taxi.
And its built on super thin limestone above the cenotes.
Meanwhile the bus goes from right outside the airport to downtown for like $15.
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Ya I definitely had to take a bus to the airport in cancun bc the r-slurred butt city wont let ubers go there and the train doesnt go there either.
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Mexico is going to have an Argentina libertarian moment soon
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For 30 billy, he could hire better looking stewardesses. Just sayin .
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Those are real chunky fr fr ong
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not native mexicans
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You mean native as in native citizens or Injun?
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feather
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55mph?!
Is the locomotive a fiat panda??
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Well its neither reasonably priced nor a car
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The fact nobody in Mexcio has built a canal to cuck Panama and Central America La Luz Extinguido is strange. The US happily letting in millions of these incompetent goblins will surely end well
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Have you looked at a map in your life?
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Whats the issue with making a 300 mile long canal thru mountains?
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One of the claims they make about this is someday it will include freight trains between the oceans to rival the Panama Canal. To which all I can say is:
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Nicaragua is trying to.
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They finally had to give up on that because the Chinese guy who they were going to sell the country to got purged by Xi Jinping.
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Still mogs California's high speed rail
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lol could have prolly gotten the chinese to build bullet trains for them cheaper and faster than that
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The critical mistake was thinking cruisers and all inclusive resort people will ever leave Cancun
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Yeah, like the tuluminati need to go south but they just built a tulum airport so... Though the tulum airport is actually pretty far from tulum and its only a two (or 3 with how Mexicans drive) lane highway to get to tulum from the airport because why not.
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For once a train post that isn't chudcentral
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@A effortpost.
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Nooo not my heckin environmental reviews
All the other criticisms are valid, but environmental reviews are a bunch of crap to delay building anything useful and allow soy bureaucrats to exercise their janny powers
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Chuds be like: stupid libcuck environmental strags.
TRAIN DERAILS IN BURGER SHITHOLE SPEWING POISON
NOOOO WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT. HOW COULD BIDEN DO THIS. YOU POISONED HECKIN WHOLESOME RURAL SHITHOLE LAND
Chuds also be like: Joe Rogan talk about mammoth bones found while building highway. It's so cool
CONSTRUCTION SITE SHUT DOWN FOR 2 WEEKS TO ALLOW ARCHAEOLOGICAL STUDY
Nooo you can't do that. Frick the government. Who cares about the injun mammoth bones.
LEAST WORDY NONCHUDS MEME
STUPID BIPOCS
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Frick the gay Earth i am a redblooded american chud and i want my kids to live in an overcrowded concrete cesspool surrounded by sludge, fumes and the only mammals any real god fearing man needs, rats, cats, and squirrels.
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Aren't they talking about electing a k1ketress? Isn't Mexico only like .02% Jewish? That doesn't sound like a good idea, all conspiracies aside. The current president says some keyed things, but all politicians are crooks.
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Darn the original idea actually sounds cool
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As do most large construction project concepts, just that it's usually 95% bullshit.
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I love trains!
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Instead of dealing with the crime that's scaring American tourists away, build a pointless train
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Its definitely not scaring tourists away. I was there over christmas and literally every resort was fully booked out.
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Crime is probably 90% of their income so why would they deal with it?
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based, frick all that nonsense unironically
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They were gonna build it along the highway which would've been fine, but noooo, the hotels would've had to rebuild their fancy entrances. So they bribed the gov to have em go build it in the middle of pristine jungle over fragile cenotes that've been undisturbed for millions of years instead.
In conclusion the taxi cartel should do a little eco terrorism to stop the train.
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top of the food chain baybee
earth exists to be humanity's collective body. it makes zero sense to arbitrarily wall off parts of it. this is exactly the same fallacious thinking that leads people to white savior mentality lmfao
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I don't give a shit about the animals, but they're ruining the very pretty underwater caves that I like to dive.
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Well it was PLANNED to connect to the Jew tunnels in New York but people just had to go and ruin the surprise 😤😤😤
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Did the elves tell him to make it?
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Mexico could be such a wonderful place if they'd just elect competent governments and get the cartels to just be a little more discreet and less murdery.
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I am not sure I would go as thrust to Mexican after watching last blood Rambo
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Reminds me of that rail line they built (or are still building??) in California
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To be fair, railroad is gonna look like a pretty good method of transportation once the plane crashes start happening due in part to the FAA's diversity initiatives
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Not chud central
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This is who's assembling plane fuselages now
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Still more useful than Cali's high speed rail
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Mexico and USA are in a competition to see who can waste more money on infrastructure and green energy scams
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peepee and ball torture
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I laugh, but here in CA they're been trying to pull the same exact scam.
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what kind of bargain bin chicano are you
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u make me so horny
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Snapshots:
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cenotes:
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, the first stretch:
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Mota-Engil:
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partially operational in December 2023:
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the plumbing onboard the train:
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temporarily shut down:
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missing their trains:
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That moment when you try to do that Transport Tycoon bug but you don't make the tunnel long enough
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