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McDonald's worker might not receive $60,000 reward for identifying Luigi Mangione :marseywagie:

https://www.unilad.com/news/us-news/luigi-mangione-ceo-shooting-mcdonalds-worker-reward-333982-20241210

Bizarre reason why McDonald's worker might not receive $60,000 reward for identifying Luigi Mangione

The strict rules could mean the tipster might not even get a dime

Brian Thompson, 50, was gunned down in New York last week in an apparent targeted attack.

He was shot in the back on Wednesday (December 4) outside the Hilton hotel in Midtown Manhattan, where the medical insurance company he ran, UnitedHealthcare, was holding an investors' meeting.

A 26-year-old man has since been charged with murder of Thompson.

Luigi Mangione was taken into custody at a McDonald's restaurant in the town of Altoona, Pennsylvania on Monday (December 9), after an employee reportedly alerted police.

The cops had launched a widespread manhunt for their suspect and appealed to the public for their help in tracking him down.

New York Police Department offered a reward of $10,000 for anyone with information on their suspect.

The search then grew over the weekend ,as the FBI backed the NYPD in the investigation, adding an additional $50,000 to the pot, and hundreds of tips poured in.

The McDonald's worker said they saw Mangione around 9.15am 'acting suspiciously' in the restaurant, adding that he appeared to have fraudulent documents.

Mangione was then arrested with five charges at the scene, as officers found he was in possession of fake IDs, a 'ghost' gun, silencer, clothes, and a mask matching the one that the suspected shooter was captured wearing.

Just hours later, investigators charged Mangione with murder and four other counts, including firearms charges.

The tip-off from the employee is apparently crucial in the case, but the question remains if the worker will be able to cash in on the $60k reward at all.The rules are complicated, as they stipulate tipsters in with a chance of the FBI portion of the reward cannot nominate themselves.

This means the McDonald's worker will have to be put forward by an investigating agency, such as the Department of Defense or the FBI, which is then reviewed by an interagency committee.

If approved, the suggestion is passed on to the Secretary of State, who signs off on the final decision.

If that's not tough enough, the full reward amount could also be in dispute as payment amounts are based on factors from the value of the information provided, the level of threat, the severity of danger or injury to people or property, and the degree of the source's cooperation.

As for the NYPD's $10k, the rewards program is granted through Crime Stoppers, where tipsters receive a unique reference number.

This number is crucial as the tipster has to use it call back or check the status of the investigation online before lodging a claim with the NYC Police Foundation and the Crime Stoppers Board of Directors, who ultimately decide whether to approve the tip and instruct the caller how to receive it.

So, if the informant called 911 instead of Crime Stoppers, they might be unable to make the claim.

In both cases, the rewards will only be paid out if the arrest leads to indictment or conviction from the court - so the McDonald's employee could be waiting a while and even at the end of it all, might not even get a dime.

Yahoo news:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gets-reward-information-unitedhealthcare-ceos-004558963.html

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Ironically this is the level of bureaucracy that a fully public healthcare system tends to include (I'm definitely not opposed to private healthcare reform btw).

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>Ironically this is the level of bureaucracy that a fully public healthcare system tends to include

I spent a lot of time dealing with health insurer contracts in a past life, so I am going to effortpost at you. Let's outline the process for UM in two separate systems: private health insurance, and big bad Socialized Medicine (aka fee-for-service Medicare)

Private health insurance:

1 Meet with your doctor and get a plan of care
2 Your doctor will check the prior authorization list to see if the plan of care includes any procedures which require prior authorization
3 Your doctor will gather your medical documents and send them to the insurance company
4 The insurance company will typically ask for more notes over the course of about seven days
5 The insurance company will then make an organization determination. 
    5a The insurance company may deny the request on the basis of medical necessity. You may appeal.
        5a1 You or your doctor may gather more medical notes to support the necessity of the service. You can send them to the appeals team for review by a different medical director.
        5a2 The medical director will consider your appeal. Typical turnaround time is between three and thirty days, sometimes longer. 
        5a3 The medical director may off a "peer to peer" call between your doctor who treats patients and their doctor, who cannot practice because he sexually assaulted a nurse. 
          He will ignore everything your doctor says.
        5a4 If you are a commercial plan customer (anyone not on Medicaid or Medicare) then your appeal may be denied. ***YOU ARE FUCKED.*** 
          There is literally no alternative but to sue the insurance company, which is tremendously expensive.
    5b The insurance company may approve your request. Good news! You can go get your procedure.
6 Assuming you aren't fucked by the prior step, you can get your procedure done. Be sure to pay your coinsurance or copayment.
7 Your provider will submit a claim. 
    7a The insurance company will review the claim. Even if they approved the claim previously, they may still deny it.
    7b If the insurer denies the claim, one of two things will happen to you (I am omitting a ~25-step process between the provider and insurer here for brevity's sake).
        7b1 If the providers who treated you are in network, you are safe. They will get stuck with the bill and nothing will happen to you.
        7b2 If the providers are out of network, ***YOU ARE FUCKED.*** Unless you are a Medicaid or Medicare member, you can be personally billed for 100% of the cost of the procedure. 
          This happens a LOT. The libtards recently passed a law to make this less common, but it's not totally gone.
8 A bill may arrive for some completely unpredictable amount. Pay it or go bankrupt and lose your house.

Medicare:

1 Meet with your doctor and get a plan of care
2 Get your procedure done. Be sure to pay your coinsurance or copayment.

This is not an exaggeration. And in spite of this, fee-for-service Medicare members cost the government less.

eta: A few remarks I should have included originally:

  • Medicare Advantage is private insurance. It follows the first pattern, not the second. Fee-for-service ("traditional") Medicare doesn't have provider networks, or UM, or prior auth, or appeals. None of those things exist. Really. 99% of American physicians are "in-network" with Medicare.
  • The CMS claims process doesn't create unexpected member responsibility. It's not listed in the second part because the member doesn't have to think about it. It's a problem for your provider and not you. In private insurance land, you can still get a huge bill even if you got your UM request approved, because a UM approval is not binding.

And now a dreadful seriouspost. It's fun to slapfight online a bit. But I've been a dramatard forever and I like this community, and so I'll offer some genuine advice. This stuff might actually affect your older loved ones. Love your cool Gran Torino grandpa or your clueless boomer dad? Tell him to get a Medigap plan instead of a Medicare Advantage plan. It's what I told my parents and it's what my colleagues have told their parents. MA is a sucker's deal and you get shat on for private profit. Worse, you can't always go back to FFS Medicare because preexisting conditions aren't covered on Medigap plans after age 65. Don't wait until the social worker is asking for your help to get the insurance company to approve dad's stay in a SAR.

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do you think medicare is literally magic? lmao

doctors send claims to medicare too bb, they just hate doing it bc they don't get paid nearly as much

ironically medicare-for-all would absolutely devastate doctor salaries across the country, although i'm willing to do it

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>do you think medicare is literally magic? lmao

It should be obvious I'm not some twitter lib blindly singing the praises of this program. I understand Medicare very well. There is no gargantuan bureaucratic layer between patients and care as there is in the private insurance world. CMS treats cost control as a population-level concern. The complexity is abstracted away from the patient, and in spite of this simplicity for members it is more efficient and costs the taxpayer less.

This isn't a small matter. If you are a grandma leaving the hospital after a slip and fall, CMS will let you go straight to a subacute rehab, while a private payor will ask you to prove you need to fix that hip. It might be justified if asking for proof saved money, but as I said, Part C patients cost the taxpayer more.

>doctors send claims to medicare too bb, they just hate doing it bc they don't get paid nearly as much

Medicare is the best payor, and it's not even close. They are by far the most provider-friendly payor. The MACs pay promptly, predictably, and apply rules in a straightforward fashion. The RAC auditors follow a pattern and explain their rationale when making demands. They have a very large patient population. Their reimbursement rates are not much lower than the commercial world; it is Medicaid which pays relatively little. Every single annoying Medicare behavior (like distant audits for long-completed services) is also performed by the private insurers. That's why every single HMO and provider group requires their employees to participate in Medicare. You cannot even get a job as a doctor without it; the LEIE is a mark of death.

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Medicare is the best payor, and it's not even close. They are by far the most provider-friendly payor.

ahahhahahahahahhahhahahahahahAHAHHAHAHA

holy frick you're r-slurred bb

many practices literally refuse to accept medicare and the ones that do often have a limit on what portion of their patients they'll accept with medicare. why? because medicare literally pays less for the same shit. they save money because they pay less. everybody NOT on medicare subsidizes the people on medicare.

You are correct that medicare generally pays promptly. But most other insurers do too, perhaps not as fast as medicare but they still usually pay within a week or two.

Their reimbursement rates are not much lower than the commercial world

Objectively false.

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medicare-for-all would absolutely devastate doctor salaries across the country

Well I wasn't in favor, but you make a pretty compelling case.

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It's unironically a necessary step to bring our healthcare costs in-line with other countries - we pay our doctors WAY more than anybody else, but if you suggest that they need to take a pay cut, you'll get a bunch of libs freaking out over you and claiming that somehow admin salaries are the real issue (they're in aggregate lower than MD salaries).

Basically everybody in the healthcare industry has their hand in the cookie jar but only insurance companies ever get criticized for it. That's how you get r-slurs like @SCREAMING_SNAKE_CASE who seems to think medicare is magic and there's no claims process (lmao)

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Amerikkkans ironically have double dipped their beuracracies

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ironically medicare-for-all would absolutely devastate doctor salaries across the country

naija doctors soon dey japa :marseykente: -> :marseysaluteusa:

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"I'll just treat the problems as implicitly solved in my Medicare scenario even though they still exist. That'll show 'em!"

You think Medicare never has issues with "in network" status or the ability to get care someone thinks they need? You're right up there with the Redditors in thinking that government healthcare means "yes to everything."

And in spite of this, fee-for-service Medicare members cost the government less.

Amazing what happens when everyone else effectively subsidizes Medicare as privately insured patients. Most providers cap the proportion of patients they take from Medicare -- if they take them at all.

Even insofar as Medicare solves problems, the solutions are similar to the ones in HMOs -- and people rarely prefer HMOs over PPOs. If people wanted HMOs, they would choose them.

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>You think Medicare never has issues with "in network" status or the ability to get care someone thinks they need?

I wouldn't say Medicare is perfect. My claim is more narrow:

Let's outline the process for UM in two separate systems

I am not dissembling at all here. CMS doesn't do UM. When "Medicare" does UM, it's under a Part C plan, which is actually private insurance purchased with your Medicare premium. CMS itself doesn't ask for notes or demand prior auth requests. They really do just pay. That's a big deal for sick old people in need of care. It's also why your aunt the nurse tells you not to sign up for Medicare Advantage.

The size of the Medicare population and the reimbursements at a population level mean there is nearly always a provider who will see you. This isn't the case for Medicaid, where the rates are truly tiny and thus the number of providers is much more modest.

As a caveat: CMS is now doing some stuff around DME, but that's because the Scooter Store's hellspawn are alive and well in Florida.

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>rubber-stamping treatment is gooood

:#marseypills:

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>:marseypills:

Dear TheUbieSeether,

Your request for Marsey pills has been denied. Our medical director read a one-paragraph summary of the notes your doctor sent, written by a barely-literate nurse from the third world. Based on this and nothing else, the medical director has determined that your doctor doesn't know what you need and you do not meet the clinical criteria to have Marsey pills.

What if I believe this decision was made in error?

You can appeal this decision. Your doctor can ask another third world nurse to write a different paragraph, which another washed-up incompetent will read and ignore.

Thank you for choosing us to deny your necessary medicine. Sincerely,

SCREAMING_SNAKE_CASE

Medical Director

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Do you know how easy it is to get drugs on Medicaid?

They truly don't give a shit about people, so it's weird you'd expect them to magically boost social well-being.

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Fair and thanks for the breakdown. Medicare generally works well and private healthcare can be unpredictable at best, as you laid out. It is badly in need of reform. I've gotten sticker shock many times via larger than anticipated bills. And as you alluded to, bills just randomly keep appearing.

The issue is when the entire system is socialized, rather than specific programs within a larger system.

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Summarize this

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He presents two scenarios:

  • One in the private insurance world where basically everything has gone wrong

  • One in the Medicare world where everything has gone right

As you can see, Medicare is obviously better. :marseypipe: Stay tuned for my writeup on why vacationing in Paris and having everything go wrong is worse than vacationing on a Carnival cruise ship and having everything go right.

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Medicaid requires prior auths too though.

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This is not an exaggeration. And in spite of this, fee-for-service Medicare members cost the government less.

Yeah because Blue Cross doesn't have the ability to drive an MBT through the front of their building to shit on their desk.

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Part C is pricier because insurers are gaming RAF. BCBS is upcoding the shit out of every member encounter submission, I am sure, even though they're probably the second least evil insurer after KFHP.

The Biden admin stepped on this behavior a bit for the upcoming year, so the disparity will probably drop.

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There is zero chance a nationalized health system goes FFS only. It's absolutely not sustainable. The process is going to like a hella lot more like A than B. The only difference will be the government taking on the role of payer.

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bingo, looks like someone forgot to read all 200 pages of their Evidence of Benefits package Chapter 6, subsection § 7, column 2, paragraph 4, citation [b]

:chudglassesglow#:

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From a blueski libtard's perspective this actually works perfectly:

>frick rich rebel husbando's snitch

>frick working class people

>doesn't affect me at all

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lmao, and you think the US system which includes all the back and forth negotiations etc with other peers is not bureaucratic ? everything fricking is :marseydepressed:

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It's also bureaucratic but has actual potential for improvement. Plus, I don't want grandma waiting 6 months for her first cancer treatment.

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yea and i read up on the somali healthcare system and compared to the usa. systems can suck no matter their setup or ideology. i would also rather live in the ussr than yemen

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Public health system here. When my pensioner grandmother was diagnosed with cancer, she started treatment 72 hours after her diagnosis.

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What is the approximate racial demographic breakdown of your country?

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So now it's not a public system that's bad, it's the blacks and browns?

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No you have my hypothesis in reverse based on your prior statement.

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I have no idea what you're trying to say.

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  • Racially homogenous, especially European, countries tend to have the best outcomes in socialized medicine based on numerous peer reviewed studies.

  • You described a positive experience from socialized medicine.

  • I asked you about the approximate racial demographics of your country.

Hope that clears up what I was trying to determine and why.

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Have you never dealt with health insurance before?

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I'm definitely not opposed to private healthcare reform

Yes it stinks too

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