Bizarre reason why McDonald's worker might not receive $60,000 reward for identifying Luigi Mangione
The strict rules could mean the tipster might not even get a dime
Brian Thompson, 50, was gunned down in New York last week in an apparent targeted attack.
He was shot in the back on Wednesday (December 4) outside the Hilton hotel in Midtown Manhattan, where the medical insurance company he ran, UnitedHealthcare, was holding an investors' meeting.
A 26-year-old man has since been charged with murder of Thompson.
Luigi Mangione was taken into custody at a McDonald's restaurant in the town of Altoona, Pennsylvania on Monday (December 9), after an employee reportedly alerted police.
The cops had launched a widespread manhunt for their suspect and appealed to the public for their help in tracking him down.
New York Police Department offered a reward of $10,000 for anyone with information on their suspect.
The search then grew over the weekend ,as the FBI backed the NYPD in the investigation, adding an additional $50,000 to the pot, and hundreds of tips poured in.
The McDonald's worker said they saw Mangione around 9.15am 'acting suspiciously' in the restaurant, adding that he appeared to have fraudulent documents.
Mangione was then arrested with five charges at the scene, as officers found he was in possession of fake IDs, a 'ghost' gun, silencer, clothes, and a mask matching the one that the suspected shooter was captured wearing.
Just hours later, investigators charged Mangione with murder and four other counts, including firearms charges.
The tip-off from the employee is apparently crucial in the case, but the question remains if the worker will be able to cash in on the $60k reward at all.The rules are complicated, as they stipulate tipsters in with a chance of the FBI portion of the reward cannot nominate themselves.
This means the McDonald's worker will have to be put forward by an investigating agency, such as the Department of Defense or the FBI, which is then reviewed by an interagency committee.
If approved, the suggestion is passed on to the Secretary of State, who signs off on the final decision.
If that's not tough enough, the full reward amount could also be in dispute as payment amounts are based on factors from the value of the information provided, the level of threat, the severity of danger or injury to people or property, and the degree of the source's cooperation.
As for the NYPD's $10k, the rewards program is granted through Crime Stoppers, where tipsters receive a unique reference number.
This number is crucial as the tipster has to use it call back or check the status of the investigation online before lodging a claim with the NYC Police Foundation and the Crime Stoppers Board of Directors, who ultimately decide whether to approve the tip and instruct the caller how to receive it.
So, if the informant called 911 instead of Crime Stoppers, they might be unable to make the claim.
In both cases, the rewards will only be paid out if the arrest leads to indictment or conviction from the court - so the McDonald's employee could be waiting a while and even at the end of it all, might not even get a dime.
Yahoo news:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/gets-reward-information-unitedhealthcare-ceos-004558963.html
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Ironically this is the level of bureaucracy that a fully public healthcare system tends to include (I'm definitely not opposed to private healthcare reform btw).
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I spent a lot of time dealing with health insurer contracts in a past life, so I am going to effortpost at you. Let's outline the process for UM in two separate systems: private health insurance, and big bad Socialized Medicine (aka fee-for-service Medicare)
Private health insurance:
Medicare:
This is not an exaggeration. And in spite of this, fee-for-service Medicare members cost the government less.
eta: A few remarks I should have included originally:
And now a dreadful seriouspost. It's fun to slapfight online a bit. But I've been a dramatard forever and I like this community, and so I'll offer some genuine advice. This stuff might actually affect your older loved ones. Love your cool Gran Torino grandpa or your clueless boomer dad? Tell him to get a Medigap plan instead of a Medicare Advantage plan. It's what I told my parents and it's what my colleagues have told their parents. MA is a sucker's deal and you get shat on for private profit. Worse, you can't always go back to FFS Medicare because preexisting conditions aren't covered on Medigap plans after age 65. Don't wait until the social worker is asking for your help to get the insurance company to approve dad's stay in a SAR.
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Yeah because Blue Cross doesn't have the ability to drive an MBT through the front of their building to shit on their desk.
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Part C is pricier because insurers are gaming RAF. BCBS is upcoding the shit out of every member encounter submission, I am sure, even though they're probably the second least evil insurer after KFHP.
The Biden admin stepped on this behavior a bit for the upcoming year, so the disparity will probably drop.
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do you think medicare is literally magic? lmao
doctors send claims to medicare too bb, they just hate doing it bc they don't get paid nearly as much
ironically medicare-for-all would absolutely devastate doctor salaries across the country, although i'm willing to do it
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Well I wasn't in favor, but you make a pretty compelling case.
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It's unironically a necessary step to bring our healthcare costs in-line with other countries - we pay our doctors WAY more than anybody else, but if you suggest that they need to take a pay cut, you'll get a bunch of libs freaking out over you and claiming that somehow admin salaries are the real issue (they're in aggregate lower than MD salaries).
Basically everybody in the healthcare industry has their hand in the cookie jar but only insurance companies ever get criticized for it. That's how you get r-slurs like @SCREAMING_SNAKE_CASE who seems to think medicare is magic and there's no claims process (lmao)
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Amerikkkans ironically have double dipped their beuracracies
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It should be obvious I'm not some twitter lib blindly singing the praises of this program. I understand Medicare very well. There is no gargantuan bureaucratic layer between patients and care as there is in the private insurance world. CMS treats cost control as a population-level concern. The complexity is abstracted away from the patient, and in spite of this simplicity for members it is more efficient and costs the taxpayer less.
This isn't a small matter. If you are a grandma leaving the hospital after a slip and fall, CMS will let you go straight to a subacute rehab, while a private payor will ask you to prove you need to fix that hip. It might be justified if asking for proof saved money, but as I said, Part C patients cost the taxpayer more.
Medicare is the best payor, and it's not even close. They are by far the most provider-friendly payor. The MACs pay promptly, predictably, and apply rules in a straightforward fashion. The RAC auditors follow a pattern and explain their rationale when making demands. They have a very large patient population. Their reimbursement rates are not much lower than the commercial world; it is Medicaid which pays relatively little. Every single annoying Medicare behavior (like distant audits for long-completed services) is also performed by the private insurers. That's why every single HMO and provider group requires their employees to participate in Medicare. You cannot even get a job as a doctor without it; the LEIE is a mark of death.
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ahahhahahahahahhahhahahahahahAHAHHAHAHA
holy frick you're r-slurred bb
many practices literally refuse to accept medicare and the ones that do often have a limit on what portion of their patients they'll accept with medicare. why? because medicare literally pays less for the same shit. they save money because they pay less. everybody NOT on medicare subsidizes the people on medicare.
You are correct that medicare generally pays promptly. But most other insurers do too, perhaps not as fast as medicare but they still usually pay within a week or two.
Objectively false.
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naija doctors soon dey japa ->
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"I'll just treat the problems as implicitly solved in my Medicare scenario even though they still exist. That'll show 'em!"
You think Medicare never has issues with "in network" status or the ability to get care someone thinks they need? You're right up there with the Redditors in thinking that government healthcare means "yes to everything."
Amazing what happens when everyone else effectively subsidizes Medicare as privately insured patients. Most providers cap the proportion of patients they take from Medicare -- if they take them at all.
Even insofar as Medicare solves problems, the solutions are similar to the ones in HMOs -- and people rarely prefer HMOs over PPOs. If people wanted HMOs, they would choose them.
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I wouldn't say Medicare is perfect. My claim is more narrow:
I am not dissembling at all here. CMS doesn't do UM. When "Medicare" does UM, it's under a Part C plan, which is actually private insurance purchased with your Medicare premium. CMS itself doesn't ask for notes or demand prior auth requests. They really do just pay. That's a big deal for sick old people in need of care. It's also why your aunt the nurse tells you not to sign up for Medicare Advantage.
The size of the Medicare population and the reimbursements at a population level mean there is nearly always a provider who will see you. This isn't the case for Medicaid, where the rates are truly tiny and thus the number of providers is much more modest.
As a caveat: CMS is now doing some stuff around DME, but that's because the Scooter Store's hellspawn are alive and well in Florida.
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Dear TheUbieSeether,
Your request for Marsey pills has been denied. Our medical director read a one-paragraph summary of the notes your doctor sent, written by a barely-literate nurse from the third world. Based on this and nothing else, the medical director has determined that your doctor doesn't know what you need and you do not meet the clinical criteria to have Marsey pills.
What if I believe this decision was made in error?
You can appeal this decision. Your doctor can ask another third world nurse to write a different paragraph, which another washed-up incompetent will read and ignore.
Thank you for choosing us to deny your necessary medicine. Sincerely,
SCREAMING_SNAKE_CASE
Medical Director
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Do you know how easy it is to get drugs on Medicaid?
They truly don't give a shit about people, so it's weird you'd expect them to magically boost social well-being.
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Fair and thanks for the breakdown. Medicare generally works well and private healthcare can be unpredictable at best, as you laid out. It is badly in need of reform. I've gotten sticker shock many times via larger than anticipated bills. And as you alluded to, bills just randomly keep appearing.
The issue is when the entire system is socialized, rather than specific programs within a larger system.
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Summarize this
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He presents two scenarios:
One in the private insurance world where basically everything has gone wrong
One in the Medicare world where everything has gone right
As you can see, Medicare is obviously better. Stay tuned for my writeup on why vacationing in Paris and having everything go wrong is worse than vacationing on a Carnival cruise ship and having everything go right.
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Medicaid requires prior auths too though.
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There is zero chance a nationalized health system goes FFS only. It's absolutely not sustainable. The process is going to like a hella lot more like A than B. The only difference will be the government taking on the role of payer.
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bingo, looks like someone forgot to read all 200 pages of their Evidence of Benefits package Chapter 6, subsection § 7, column 2, paragraph 4, citation [b]
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From a blueski libtard's perspective this actually works perfectly:
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lmao, and you think the US system which includes all the back and forth negotiations etc with other peers is not bureaucratic ? everything fricking is
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It's also bureaucratic but has actual potential for improvement. Plus, I don't want grandma waiting 6 months for her first cancer treatment.
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yea and i read up on the somali healthcare system and compared to the usa. systems can suck no matter their setup or ideology. i would also rather live in the ussr than yemen
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Public health system here. When my pensioner grandmother was diagnosed with cancer, she started treatment 72 hours after her diagnosis.
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What is the approximate racial demographic breakdown of your country?
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So now it's not a public system that's bad, it's the blacks and browns?
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No you have my hypothesis in reverse based on your prior statement.
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I have no idea what you're trying to say.
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Racially homogenous, especially European, countries tend to have the best outcomes in socialized medicine based on numerous peer reviewed studies.
You described a positive experience from socialized medicine.
I asked you about the approximate racial demographics of your country.
Hope that clears up what I was trying to determine and why.
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Have you never dealt with health insurance before?
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Yes it stinks too
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