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Exactlyโ€ฆ.. OP is being honest which is fantasticโ€ฆ.. that doesn't mean these women have to stick around. Good news : he isn't wasting anyone's time because he's being honest. (291)

True. The problem then becomes these women are so used to believing the thrill of a lie, that an up front truth is not refreshing, just disappointing (-11)

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Honesty is working. If you don't want to build a relationship and want to have s*x and leave make it clear. Maybe you're some sort of handsome irresistible man? That's why they want to keep you if they can, but when they find out you really mean what you say then they leave. In reality, s*x is a sacred bond and causes people to be emotionally attached. Because of this, it affects your partner and creates an attachment, even if it doesn't affect you. Continue to be honest with them. They can't blame you for anything if you told them from the start that you're looking for s*x not into making love. (27)

The serious problem is that most of the time if a man says he just wants casual s*x, most women already give up. It's better to hide your goals to seduce a woman and tell the truth after having s*x. (-29)

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Being honest doesn't guarantee that she will like what you have to say. (651)

Which is why you are better off just telling her what she wants to hear. (-23)

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Oh no I'm not expanding. Sexual abuse is many things - including manipulation or lying to get access to a person's body. Sexual assault involves attacking but abuse can occur without physical violence. If a guy I'm dating wants a bj but I'm not in the mood - he then responds by calling me a b-word and refusing to talk to me and giving me the cold shoulder so that in future when he wants a bj, I give him one to avoid that reaction - is that not abuse? Of course it is. S*x should be mutual.Think about it this way. If I go out with you and you pay for dates, pay for my nails to be done, pay for my phone so we can chat, pay for my hair, etcโ€ฆall while I lead you on with the impression I will be your gf one day and/or put outโ€ฆam I financially abusive? Of course. I'm stringing you alone so that you'll pay for my shit. Abuse is rampant and it's often things that people don't consider to be abuse. We need to move the conversation forward. It's not evil. (4)

What you defined, well explained, can indeed be abusive, but linking it to the field of sexual abuse is very dangerous, even for greater reasons such as the trivialization of the concept, because if the concept of sexual abuse expands more and more, it will be so bureaucratic to be correct that we will have to file contracts for the protection of men and women.Here in Brazil we have the concept of sexual fraud, which is when a person deceives another to achieve sexual intimacy, this has been somewhat common for a long time, but the law that turns this deception into a crime is something very new. This is bad, but expanding into a sexual context could equate this minor crime with actual violent sexual crimes. There is a huge difference between subjective violence and objective violence and equating both things can further disadvantage the real victims.This example of a woman deceiving men with seduction that could result in casual s*x or dating happens a lot. It is common for men wit... (1)

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What you defined, well explained, can indeed be abusive, but linking it to the field of sexual abuse is very dangerous, even for greater reasons such as the trivialization of the concept, because if the concept of sexual abuse expands more and more, it will be so bureaucratic to be correct that we will have to file contracts for the protection of men and women.Here in Brazil we have the concept of sexual fraud, which is when a person deceives another to achieve sexual intimacy, this has been somewhat common for a long time, but the law that turns this deception into a crime is something very new. This is bad, but expanding into a sexual context could equate this minor crime with actual violent sexual crimes. There is a huge difference between subjective violence and objective violence and equating both things can further disadvantage the real victims.This example of a woman deceiving men with seduction that could result in casual s*x or dating happens a lot. It is common for men wit... (1)

Your first two paragraphs - your argument is that sexual fraud (as it is called in your country) is not akin to sexual abuse because it is not as serious and the victims aren't real victims. You do not understand how s*x is viewed for women. If we find out a guy has been lying to use us - we feel shame, disgust, low self-esteem, we are more likely to accept poor treatment in future because of our lower self-worth - it's very violating and it absolutely is sexual abuse. I was in a relationship like I describe above in my earlier comment - it very much fricked with my head. Adding to it - let's make it murder instead of sexual abuse. The definition of murder I will use is "Person A took action to end Person B's life". The murder could be that A shot person B in the head and they died quickly without pain. Maybe A even had an (almost) understandable reason for wanting B dead. A murder could also be A kidnapping B, tying them down, slowly carving them up, and then setting them on fire. O... (2)

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It is not sexual abuse for two reasons:1- This never happened, I only spoke of the hypothesis.2- Sexual abuse involves forcing and attacking, these are two things I have never done.His mentality lacked common sense. Sexual abuse is something very serious, do not try to expand this concept to other things as this is pure evil. (0)

Oh no I'm not expanding. Sexual abuse is many things - including manipulation or lying to get access to a person's body. Sexual assault involves attacking but abuse can occur without physical violence. If a guy I'm dating wants a bj but I'm not in the mood - he then responds by calling me a b-word and refusing to talk to me and giving me the cold shoulder so that in future when he wants a bj, I give him one to avoid that reaction - is that not abuse? Of course it is. S*x should be mutual.Think about it this way. If I go out with you and you pay for dates, pay for my nails to be done, pay for my phone so we can chat, pay for my hair, etcโ€ฆall while I lead you on with the impression I will be your gf one day and/or put outโ€ฆam I financially abusive? Of course. I'm stringing you alone so that you'll pay for my shit. Abuse is rampant and it's often things that people don't consider to be abuse. We need to move the conversation forward. It's not evil. (4)

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>babe look how honest and upfront I'm being! Isn't that attractive?! Love me!! :soyjaktantrum:

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>gaslamp? Babe you just made that up. You literally sound insane. You're just like your mother.

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Because you're honestly awkward and ugly. Next Q

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What if I'm rich?

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Exactlyโ€ฆ.. OP is being honest which is fantasticโ€ฆ.. that doesn't mean these women have to stick around.

Good news : he isn't wasting anyone's time because he's being honest.

OP: True. The problem then becomes these women are so used to believing the thrill of a lie, that an up front truth is not refreshing, just disappointing

No? The problem is that most women don't want a relationship that goes nowhere.

The Majority of women are not looking to get used for s*x and then dropped.

And the ones that are looking for casual s*x, have anyone to choose from, so OP essentially needs to up his game.

The women don't stick around because they generally do not like bluntness.

>Good news : he isn't wasting anyone's time because he's being honest.

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No? The problem is that most women don't want a relationship that goes nowhere.

This is hardly relevant to women disliking direct responses.

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For a sub called "askmen" theres a lot of fricking women talking

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Because foids believe you can somehow more effectively have honest communication when everything you say is watered down, implied, indirect, backhanded, sugarcoated, etc.

You have to perfectly navigate the minefield that is her emotions and insecurities to get a message across.

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Lol being outright honest with foids never works. Telling the truth only works if you're able to spin it at a Goebbels-like level.

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Men lie, women simply recontextualize the truth.

Anyways this kind of stuff is just a dummy test of sorts. When women say "be yourself" to confused moids asking how to get dates, it comes with the implicit understanding that "yourself" is still highly modulated to fit social expectations and norms. Moids get overly bitter about this but really this is how foids operate with everyone. Foids that drop the mask incorrectly (or at all) will often be penalized for it by other moids.

It's kinda similar to foids' frustration about the tendency for moids to "mansplain" everything. They don't get that it's how moids interact with each other.

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When women say "be yourself" what they really mean is "be confident in yourself" because they like men who are self-assured.

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Lol what they really mean is "git gud"

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Women, of all walks of life, like men with balls. "Be yourself" really means "grow a pair".

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i told her i eliminated all the juice and she still got mad.

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if you're aiming for a :marseyhitler2: type foid you gotta groom her into it yourself. I once had a girlfriend with like 0 experience other than being with me, but she came from a conservative family. Anyhow, back in 2020 I overdosed on /pol/ and eventually the anti :marseyjewish: memes made it to her, and she genuinely disliked the juice. I still wonder if she kept up her problematic stances after we broke up.

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Dramatards leave a trail of autism everywhere they go

!besties

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What made you leave the one?

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I have never found a foid that was able to keep up the casual s*x thing even if they wanted to. They will eventually give in to their ovaries telling them to chain the dude down and at the very latest then the berating, never being satisfied, punishing you for giving her what she wants starts. You're simply forced to dump her butt at some point or be stringed up into a shitshow you didn't choose :marseyangrypimp:

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>If a guy I'm dating wants a bj but I'm not in the mood - he then responds by calling me a b-word and refusing to talk to me and giving me the cold shoulder so that in future when he wants a bj, I give him one to avoid that reaction - is that not abuse?

No it's obviously not abuse wtf

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Fellas hear me out:

Women don't know what they want

They'll tell you what they look for in a man and never date that kind of man. Stop listening to women.

It's way easier if you just tell them what they want

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Everyday I thank God that I'm married and don't have to deal with the modern dating market. It sounds like Heck.

Sometimes being old is alright.

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Fun fact: I actually met my wife online.

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Is she neurodivergent too?

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No she's not, that's the wild part.

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Congratulations!

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Why do you congratulate him for bagging a whale?

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How dare you?

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On AIM?

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No, on ARPANET

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Genuinely, women are drug addicts to their own emotions. They don't know what they want, except their next fix. Really no point in trying to understand them further

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>If we find out a guy has been lying to use us - we feel shame, disgust, low self-esteem, we are more likely to accept poor treatment in future because of our lower self-worth

If you're this r-slurred, you have an obligation to disclose this to all men upfront so they can avoid the heck out of you.

This is why Fight For 25, tho it started out as satire, might actually be the most important movement of the 21st century.

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>Hey, if you lie to us, not only will it work, when we realize you lied to us it's going to make us more likely to believe the next lie!

This is why you shouldn't lie to women apparently

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"I reward men with bad behavior with more s*x, anyway here's why that's a bad thing"

They can't help red pilling men even when trying to excuse themselves

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Exactlyโ€ฆ.. OP is being honest which is fantasticโ€ฆ.. that doesn't mean these women have to stick around. Good news : he isn't wasting anyone's time because he's being honest. (291)

Yes, unfortunately you lose by being honest, but hey! On the plus side you also get to lose. :marseyhappy2:

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Displays that accurately communicate intentions cannot be evolutionary stable. Populations which take info at face value are always open to [being taken advantage of by liars]. Communication shouldn't be regarded as the sharing of information, but rather as attempts by signallers to manipulate and deceive skeptical recipients.

Anyone saying "reeeeee why can't we just be honest with each other" is admitting they're an r-slured failure. Playing the social game and presenting yourself attractively is pretty much the defining feature of an intelligent species.

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It's a major part of how we evolved from r*pe being the default reproduction method.

The other side of this idea though is the third world infini-scam lifestyle, which is not conducive to nice things and smells bad and still includes r*pe.

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asking foids for dating advice? dumb move right there...

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>Bait account posts total nonsense

>R*dditors gobble it up and sneed at each other

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be honest

>i stink

thank you for your honesty

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The Kazon are right about women.

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This is always such a cute twinky conversation.

Here try this for comparison and somebody post too make the foids triple seethe:

Why does honesty never work when giving job interviews?

Well actually the honesty is working as intended, and it is okay for an employer to say no to you. :marseyfoidretard: ( 70 upboats )

It is disappointing that the employer is so used to the lies that they find the honest truth too disappointing to interact with. ( 50 downboats )

Well, I think it is okay to lie about how long you intend to work at a business, otherwise too few businesses are willing to work with short term employees and too many people end up without jobs even though they want one. ( -50 downboats )

One of the most r-slurred things that the average person in society is somehow fully convinced of is that fricking and intimacy isn't as big a need in ones life as having a job. Some people work even though they don't want too work for 3 years at the same place. Some people lie about how long they intend too stay too get their foot in the door. Once you take away the s*x is some special force whimsy out of it the behaviors of people match in terms of any other necessity of life.

Jewish lives matter too Tailvann.

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True. The problem then becomes these women are so used to believing the thrill of a lie, that an up front truth is not refreshing, just disappointing:

The serious problem is that most of the time if a man says he just wants casual s*x, most women already give up. It's better to hide your goals to seduce a woman and tell the truth after having s*x.:

Which is why you are better off just telling her what she wants to hear.:

What you defined, well explained, can indeed be abusive, but linking it to the field of sexual abuse is very dangerous, even for greater reasons such as the trivialization of the concept, because if the concept of sexual abuse expands more and more, it will be so bureaucratic to be correct that we will have to file contracts for the protection of men and women.Here in Brazil we have the concept of sexual fraud, which is when a person deceives another to achieve sexual intimacy, this has been somewhat common for a long time, but the law that turns this deception into a crime is something very new. This is bad, but expanding into a sexual context could equate this minor crime with actual violent sexual crimes. There is a huge difference between subjective violence and objective violence and equating both things can further disadvantage the real victims.This example of a woman deceiving men with seduction that could result in casual s*x or dating happens a lot. It is common for men wit...:

Your first two paragraphs - your argument is that sexual fraud (as it is called in your country) is not akin to sexual abuse because it is not as serious and the victims aren't real victims. You do not understand how s*x is viewed for women. If we find out a guy has been lying to use us - we feel shame, disgust, low self-esteem, we are more likely to accept poor treatment in future because of our lower self-worth - it's very violating and it absolutely is sexual abuse. I was in a relationship like I describe above in my earlier comment - it very much fricked with my head. Adding to it - let's make it murder instead of sexual abuse. The definition of murder I will use is "Person A took action to end Person B's life". The murder could be that A shot person B in the head and they died quickly without pain. Maybe A even had an (almost) understandable reason for wanting B dead. A murder could also be A kidnapping B, tying them down, slowly carving them up, and then setting them on fire. O...:

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