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H-1B DATA MEGA-THREAD π§΅
— Robert Sterling (@RobertMSterling) December 29, 2024
I downloaded five years of H-1B data from the US DOL website (4M+ records) and spent the day crunching data.
I went into this with an open mind, but, to be honest, I'm now *extremely* skeptical of how this program works.
Here's what I found π pic.twitter.com/7MtC1bD8oV
Holy frick dude. Imagine the other programs
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Interesting. Who keeps them from talking to each other? Or maybe it really doesn't matter because the code is good enough, but neurodivergent people on reddit b-word endlessly about something not being 99% perfect at 5x the cost.
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Do you mean the people inside consultancy companies? I assume they do talk with each other and even b-word about the incompetent colleagues.
You can't really do that inside this kind of consultancy companies. Everyone is expected to work on 2-3 projects in parallel, everything that looks like it might vaguely work is going to go through.
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No, the companies that hire them. And the reputations of these consulting companies seem to never spread, given how allegedly awful their shit is. It seems like a lot of people ITT ( !commenters) are overestimating costs of "cheap" sexy Indian dude labor while underestimating benefits.
*costs includes all the god awful terrible things like "code not up to my neurodivergent standards"
Yeah, this person: " but neurodivergent people on reddit b-word endlessly about something not being 99% perfect", is the redditor on reddit and on rdrama saying all sorts of crap about imported codecels.
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Just to clarify, I'm talking shit about all consulting companies, not just the Indian ones.
You're a manager that needs to build some software project on a deadline, but you have no team of devs nor any experience in creating one from scratch. It's not a bad idea to ask for help; they're not going to do an amazing job but at least you'll get started with something.
Most of those projects really don't last long enough for the issues to become important, and when they do you can cut the company out and build your own internal team of devs. It's also not uncommon for the devs inside consulting companies to get hired by the client they were working for.
Many developers are working on projects that originally started through consulting firms
Also: https://rdrama.net/post/328909/neurodivergent-finds-rampant-abuse-in-h1b/7548234#context
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I was talking about the companies that hire the consulting companies. The other comment is about the dramaturds ITT.
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Large companies have large IT projects and can't afford to hire enough resources to do them in-house, because once the project wraps up, they would have to lay all those people off. Kind of pointless. So they hire out consulting firms. Small fish like me can either piggy back on a bigger consulting firm, or bid on small projects that I can do with like 2 - 4 people max. But they can't hire some nobody to do a big project that's going to take a year, so they go to Deloitte or Accenture or Wipro. They know what the game is with these companies, that they put way more people on a project than anyone actually needs, stretch timelines with ridiculous UAT periods, etc. But they also know that these companies will give them an estimated cost that's close enough to the real bill, and that the project will get done.
I'm dealing with code that Deloitte left behind at my biggest client right now. It's buggy and shitty, but it basically works, and now we'll clean up the bugs and it will be fine. So again, Deloitte might cost your company 50 million dollars to implement something, but they will eventually deliver something that mostly works ok.
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Sounds reasonable. So what are people really bitching about? Having to clean up the loose ends?
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I stopped really giving a shit about it a long time ago because I've seen it in action so much. I've worked on projects through Accenture and SRA (big federal government contractor) before and seen first hand what's wrong with their shit (overengineering, too much documentation, too many people, etc). I think the massive bloat and waste of money is offensive, although it's also just one of those things that you can't really do anything about. When I was younger, I thought that this entire field getting flooded with Indians would drive my hourly rates down, but that never came to pass. I don't think increasing H1-Bs is going to change anything significantly.
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Thank you for your time and your reasonable opinion. We are all smarter for it.
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You'd need to be a real moron to be paying a team of Indians to code while you actually do all the work yourself.
Unless you're actually paying the team of Indians and using them to do everything the client wants and then doing all the work yourself on your own time.
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