https://x.com/RobertMSterling/status/1873174358535110953
H-1B DATA MEGA-THREAD π§΅
— Robert Sterling (@RobertMSterling) December 29, 2024
I downloaded five years of H-1B data from the US DOL website (4M+ records) and spent the day crunching data.
I went into this with an open mind, but, to be honest, I'm now *extremely* skeptical of how this program works.
Here's what I found π pic.twitter.com/7MtC1bD8oV
Holy frick dude. Imagine the other programs
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Honestly this is a pretty bad look, I didn't realize it was 10x over the statuatory limit. Also wild (but not that surprising) that it's Indian consulting firms abusing it the most to bring their friends and families over.
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The firms are getting crazy rich on it while exploiting both sides.
First they go to the employer and say how much will you pay. The employer says 120k. So the recruiter finds someone who can marginally fool the employer and pay them 20-30/hr. This is an amazing wage for a poo living 8 to a bedroom sending all their money back to India where 20-30 hr US is fricking crazy money
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@Jared_Taylor know in Anglo countries they do the same for brown "qualified" tradesmen. The consultancy firm fleeces them until they're earning below minimum wage.
Until you go into certain factories you don't realize how many are actually here. It's like excavating a massive anthill when you're digging in you're garden, it just goes on and on.
Trans lives matter.
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I think those are just the approved applications and the amount of visas granted is equal to the limit of 85k
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Yeah, there's a lottery. Creates perverse incentives.
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Honestly, believing an r-slur on Twitter going on about data without any methodology is r-slurred. You can paint whatever story you want with no restrictions.
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10x approvals to enter the lottery, you still only get 85k annual "winners" who end up as wage slaves. It should still be 0 tho
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I'm kinda surprised it's 85k. It's easy to get a H1B, my friend landed one right out of high school and it gave him the green card.
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Deep Bussy-boy lore unlocked.
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My friend got his H1B working for a company that is a bunch of indian guys who sell fake security software to other companies and I get my H1B for getting my butt blown out by big white peepees
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!friendsofbussy-boy
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I'm part of your friends list but I don't have the ping privilege
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Yeah but it means if they remove limits on H1Bs as it seems like is being proposed then it won't just be a few more visas, it'll be a flood.
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Watch him get banned
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if this r-slur was more clear with his desire to reform h1b he would have alienated only 20% of chuds instead of 50%
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This is just him backtracking cause he expected people would just lap up whatever bullshit he says.
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Butter my butt and call me a biscuit
But i remain, he just bazillioned down without checking the data OP provided
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This neighbor reading my rdrama comments?
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I'm not in the computer dork world. Does this a.basically translate that a bunch of Indian companies got set up to act as an Immigration+Temp Agency for sexy Indian dudes getting work in the US?
Also what is supposed to be the average entry salary for a software developer or systems analyst?
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Yeah so these wages are paid to the contracting firm which then pays sexy Indian dude half of it. If you see 100k paid to sexy Indian dude, that's likely 40-60 to sexy Indian dude rest to sexy Indian dude house. That's top of the line. Most roles I saw are from 70-80k. 120-160 is really high sexy Indian dude roles.
Programmers really vary greatly, but anything lower than 120 would be a junior role. Sexy Indian dudes have made it hard to even find that. I have buddies send me stinked in job descriptions with 80-90k for 8-10 years experience.
If you do get the job and it isn't somewhere sexy Indian dudes can't be, you will be baby sitting some of the dumbest people to ever live. Lazy, stupid, no idea how to code, no integrity, never wrong. When they say they are motivated it's because leadership whips these people to work nights and weekends to hit deadlines and it still doesn't work.
If you ask a sexy Indian dude to make a list and give them a mockup of some simple dynamic list component to build and the mockup shows three list items, the jeet will literally just hard code a three item list.
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This is literally the biggest problem with the vast majority of jeets in IT, they lack the ability to think independently. You have to tell them exactly what you want, how to do it, and then you have to stand over their shoulder and make sure they don't cut corners. At that point, it doesn't matter how cheap they are you're better off hiring someone competent. But the board doesn't give a shit, they just want the budget to stay low.
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Watching the puzzle across his face when we are like dude you wrote it to only have three itemsβ¦it should be pulling those results from this apiβ¦you need to iterate overβ¦never mind I'll do it
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$132,270 is the median for the entire field.
H1 trends towards more junior engineers, the senior ones use EB. Most h1's go to people graduating from US schools, it's the pipeline from j1 to lpr, get a masters in the US and then you have a 14% chance to win the lottery and be able to do PERM.
He has also removed US employers from the list. Company with most h1's is Amazon. Google, Ernest Young, Microsoft, Apple and Meta are all in the top 10. Amazon average pay for h1 is $146,280.
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120K fresh out of a BS is pretty high comparatively
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It really depends, and your conflating straight pay to a grad with paying some sexy Indian dude hiring firm for the H1B. None of these companies hire H1B, they hire contracting firms that whip the jeet.
If the jeet is down for 120 on paper, they are max being paid 70-80k, and that's very high end you're actually a programmer which isn't the case for literally no joke dude 99% of them.
The scam is to get one guy that kinda sorta codes and 20 sexy Indian dudes to fill keyboards. They pretend to work but just mooch off the main lead sexy Indian dude who has middling coding skills. The company takes in most of what we see in these charts.
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How do these companies profit from hiring incompetent workers for $80k per year?
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First that same role for an American would be 40-50% more not even including benefits which sexy Indian dudes don't get on contract.
When they hire an h1b, they do so through a contracting firm. One contracting firm. They contract one h1b for 80k on paper, but actually get a whole firm to some degree. The more seats they fill the more support through the few sexy Indian dudes that actually can code they get.
To answer your question, they aren't. Big biz is trying to save a buck by hiring Indians to build something Indians said would take four months, ends up taking a year and a half and the final product is complete shit. Then rhey bring in whitey to fix it and end up paying out of the butt at the point.
The whole point is to show savings on salary on a quarterly excel sheet.
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I hear that story a lot on reddit, but how often does it occur, and are the long-run costs overstated? I'm not seeing major collapses of tech firms in the US.
It's like reading too much of /r/sysadmin and becoming overtly r-slurred about cybersecurity.
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I mean look around. Your social security number has been leaked probably 100 times because jeets commit API keys into their code. Its not a total collapse, its an enshitification.
Think of it like how Indians do wiring. It looks like it should explode into flames, and it does. Just not all the time.
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Is this like the Jews did this meme?
!chuds, I found yet another intellectual weakness among the !codecels.
Apparently, the sexy Indian dudes are all terrible workers that companies continue hire because no one's reputation exists. And these sexy Indian dudes are responsible for every major breach and failure in cybersecurity for the past 20 years.
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Enshittification is such an ugly word. Maybe it's because im an ESLchad but shouldnt it just be shittification !r-slurs
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Jeeted code is a pain in the butt to build on top of, but you can limp along adding new features that don't quite work as well as you'd like.
Making everything work holistically is an entire rewrite, and you'd be an idiot to pay twice for one product so you just milk it as long as you can and sell the company.
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A significant chunk of the work consultancy firms get is immediately thrown away as soon as it's completed. Internal company politics regarding fundings, trying to get some governmental grants, POCs built because a manager was sure he was gonna get a client etc.
If the project is actually useful, then the client will actually hire a team and carry on the development by itself, otherwise it becomes just another "internal company asset"
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Every person they hire is someone they can bill the client.
They just need a face to be there for the calls, it doesn't matter if in the backrooms it's 3 guys working or just 1 doing the job of 3 people
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So none of the companies who hire these people get wise to it?
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Yes, but just to clarify: it's not like they're in "oh shit, we need to cover for the idiots" mode. It's more of a "no one gives a shit as long as the job gets done".
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Interesting. Who keeps them from talking to each other? Or maybe it really doesn't matter because the code is good enough, but neurodivergent people on reddit b-word endlessly about something not being 99% perfect at 5x the cost.
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They profit cause there's usually enough somewhat competent workers to make a barely functional product. As long as it works higher ups don't care, in a lot of cases companies like MS and Google (hint hint) make products to generate buzz for a bit and then shut them down when the hype is gone.
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fuuuugggggg
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Yep. This is why the internet sucks. This is why all of our data gets breached constantly. If we started today hired all the whites back and tried unfricking all the fintech code alone it would take 20 years. Its fricking fricked
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LOL
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Yes, several companies, mostly headquartered in India but with US affiliate offshoots, hire tons of H1-B contractors and farm them out to companies in the US, basically competing with Accenture and Deloitte who had already been doing so previously. Wipro is on the guy's list, and this is what they're primarily known for here. They're a consultant factory that abuses H1-Bs to bring in Indian labor for below market prices, and they exploit them by paying them peanuts while charging standard hourly prices for their labor.
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Indians have been refining the art of rent-seeking over thousands of years. Wherever there's an opportunity to park yourself in a government or corporate post and make money off other people's labor, there you will find Pahjeets. It's the biggest obstacle that all countries in South Asia face, as all their institooshuns (shout out Jolani) are bloated by greedy bureaucrats and managers who would gladly tank their organizations' future potential for the sake of a safe and easy buck now.
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80-100k at a non-technical business, 100-130k at a lean startup, 150-250k at a tech co
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200 with a Bachelors right out of school is pretty fricking dope but I'm guessing you live in silicon valley
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A guy I TA'd for at my bootcamp got a 225k role for his first job. I was mad jelly
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That's young doctor money
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i love tableau
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What wider point is being made here that isn't common knowledge?
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The richers told everyone H1B was for the most talented poos Americans can't fill, but it really shows wages that are 40-70% lower than prevailing American wages for jobs we just saw tens of thousands of Americans laid off from.
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thats common knowledge
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Twatter nonsense that gets the chuds rolling. It's like salon.com for leftoids but worse.
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I can't tell if youre baiting or have some sort of personal problem that makes you wingcucked.
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Because baiting is for offsite.
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lmao
Yup, this is a scam
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Can I get a fricking summary, b-word? I'm not good with charts
This post rests on native land in oklahoma that kong is illegally occupying.
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Data shows it's about getting massive amounts of low to mid skilled IT
s for cheaper wages instead of importing top 0.1% geniuses 
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The vast majority of h1b are mid/low tier tech roles and not musks .01%. Their wages are 1990s level
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Thank you
This post rests on native land
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H1B is mostly for entry level tech and accounting jobs at big companies, and there are also many Indian IT service provider companies specialized in using it.
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Snapshots:
https://x.com/RobertMSterling/status/1873174358535110953:
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Techcels are paid too much, they have average IQs less than actual engineers or scientists. No wonder managers are so eager to undercut their wages at every possible opportunity.
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Techcels started the convo and sure many of us belong in a mass grave including myself, however the h1b was shown to be fricking all of us neighbor
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This whole situation has definitely changed my opinion on Xusk, I thought he was just an weird guy and I could overlook that because of his business acumen, I wasn't aware he was such an arrogant weenie with so little self awareness.
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I was excited about DOGE myself until I learned his elite BIZ-NESS ACUMEN
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Salaries reflect ROI. The codecel writing a saas product could do it for himself and keep all the profits, engineers and scientists typically can't do shit without massive capital support.
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Who on average make $150k per year.
Okay, r-slur.
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Those tables are the amount paid towards the placement. 99.9999% of these roles are contract through a sexy Indian dude contracting house.
The contracting house will pay the sexy Indian dude between 20-40/hr and put them up inside of a single bedroom apartment with 8 other jeets.
Why accept that role? 20-30/hr US is INSANE money in India. Plus the contracting firm has your back, so when your bad sexy Indian dude code doesn't work they will send in the one guy who actually kinda knows how to code to keep the jeet bux flowing.
That same role would be 160-180k with benefits to an American. The company saves a ton and gets 30 sexy Indian dudes for the price one of American
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But the sexy Indian dude contracting houses weren't even close to 99.999999% of the visas.
And where's the flood of low wage techies?
@AnnoyinTheGoyim can't explain that either.
I dunno. His crappy analysis and all the excitement seems very r-slurred.
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Not sure how you are struggling so hard with this, those businesses in the database paid contracting houses to employ the H1B. 99% of these companies hire contracting firms to find talent and pay them for it.
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And was that all of the companies? (No.) He also showed 12 Indian firms hiring about 200k people. How is that 99%? Did you read his gobshit?
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Move to Japan immediately
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What do I need to explain? And why?
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That's a junior developer salary, r-slur.
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And top 0.1% still get hired. It's a
from a twattard who's never written an academic article.
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120k, i.e. white collar minimum wage
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Who is this Bob Sterling fella? I like the cut of his jib.
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