Particularly goulash threads, quoted lazy style:
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If you are a citizen and this is your opinion, then you should know that I tend to agree with you, but at the same time I thank God that I am not in a place where I would be asked to make such a terrible decision.
I'm an Israeli and I agree with him. It's a hard choice to make but if you make the wrong choice every time, they'll just keep doing it.
It's not my choice to make you are right but it's obvious to everyone that Israeli society is willing to make the dumbest choices decade after decade.
There is no hostage as valuable on this planet than an Israeli hostage because Israel will throw away every objective to get them back.
Turns out israli lives aren't as valuable as palestinian deaths
Do I see this wrong, or does Israel look like the loser of this deal / war?
Then somewhere braindead ethnonationalist garbage. Yeah. Israel really lost with its 1:100 KD ratio.
They should not be rescued except by military action even if it means they all have to die.
I hope everyone who insisted that Trump was a great friend of Israel who will surely have the Jewish people's backs feels pretty stupid now. A whole lot of American Jews were trying to warn you that Trump was completely untrustworthy, and Israelis just refused to hear it.
😭😭😭 NOOO our greatest enemy...brokers a peace deal for us :(( we want blood 
Trump (and his sycophants) will just blame Biden on this whole deal
???? He took credit for it
Another translation from modern Hebrew:
What do you imagine that continuing the war will achieve? Do you believe that "complete victory" is just around the corner? If we continue to fight there for another year or two or five years, Hamas will disappear and we will have peace forever? And that we can leave Gaza and forget about it? Or do you think we will have to stay there forever. If so, are you serving in the reserves, and are you prepared to continue doing plus or minus six months of reserve duty every year, until you are 45? Are you prepared for your children and grandchildren to live like this?
Enough with the illusion. Hamas is not going anywhere. After a year+ we are no closer to taking down Hamas than we were at the beginning. The most that can be done is to take their heads off, but as soon as they are allowed to, they will recover, and if it is not Hamas, it will be another terrorist organization. The only difference is whether the kidnapped people will return or not.
One commenter mentions their desire for "the chanpiom program" in Hebrew. No such Wikipedia article exists, and English mention is almost impossible to find online, but here's the Wikipedia article: Click here for israeli genocide plans
Here's the english wikipedia article
It is kinder
Generally if you see Hebrew in the thread it's because they don't want the reddit admins to see their comment. Not always.
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In terms of game theory, Palestinians should demand as many of their people back as they can expect to get. Is there a reason to believe Israel willingly offers more prisoners to exchange than Palestinians would accept? Are there compelling theories about what Israel could have offered and still succeeded in a deal?
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Game theory would also stipulate that the Israeli's absolutely should offer no more than 5-10 prisoners in exchange for Israeli hostages irrespective of whether the deal goes through or not. The fact that they release an r-sluredly high number of prisoners per hostage suggests that they are not behaving optimally which indicates cultural bias.
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I am not claiming that Israeli trades are optimal, just curious why they're assumed to not be. The whole "Hamas doesn't want Israel to even exist" aspect is quite different from an exchange between, say, the US and Russia. It's hard to use global norms around nations and sovereignty when they fall apart in the middle east.
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because we have already seen the consequences of Israeli prisoner exchange r-sluration based on the results of previous exchanges of 100 HAMAS terrorists for one Jewish hostage.
The head of the HAMAS that they killed was an Israeli prisoner among hundreds that they released back to Palestine like a decade back.
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Yes, I remember that.
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Yeah so there you go. If you wanna really game theory it the only real optimal solution would be to bomb the entirety of Gaza until not a single soul was left alive, then have the Israeli PM who did that kill himself and his cabinet. Followed by criminalizing his party and the rest of Israeli's actively declaring him a failure and spitting on his name. If the other middle eastern countries still attack you then the liberal Israeli's that remain are just acting out in self defense because the Jewish leadership and political movement that caused the suffering has been exterminated from within. Then the Israeli's could do a Germany and spend the next 60-100 years talking about how sorry they are about all the Gazans that were exterminated as the world ends up forgetting the memory of their deeds once enough time has passed.
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I believe that's called "the one-state solution" from the Jewish side.
Practicing game theory doesn't mean pursuing goals without restraint, though. It means optimizing within the moral bounds you're prepared to inhabit.
Realpolitik is flexible with those moral bounds, but game theory can be leveraged for less chuddy ideologies, too.
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We are all the currency of the elite. That part hasn't changed so far till date. All you need to do to be reminded of it is to see the difference between how fast laws are changed when a commoner dies vs when the powerful suffer.
There are no moral bounds in geopolitics, only the understanding through harsh lessons of history as to what levels of violence would result in negative outcomes.
In the end morality is what works and what works is what brings home the highest gains and survives.
Israel doesn't exterminate gaza because they cannot get away with exterminating gaza, whether due to the morality of the common Israeli or via international pressure.
Game theory is our scenario would account for which options have sub-optimal results, including increasing unknowns.
Israel's best option remains to do everything short of exterminating Gaza altogether without turning the international community against them.
The US did not geographically expand for a century because it wasn't advantageous for it to do so. The American leadership has no qualms about destroying millions of lives if they believe the objective is worth it. Most modern day morality is a system meant to keep things stable internally within a society. Morals exist to keep stable enough for you to be able to go to the office and get back home without having to worry about being robbed, r*ped, or murdered, along with the bonus guarantee of life getting better over time. Morality without advantage is a death sentence. As can be seen in the case of the US liberal movement in the past decade.
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you're fricking bananas if you think I'm reading all that, take my downmarsey and shut up idiot
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The upside is that they can just send in mossad to ice them in a couple of months
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